Katrina is playing into Bush's and the NeoCon's hands, like clockwork

[DS1]

Bush has fucked up the NO rescue so bad, it's changed the overall view of Federal Gov't amoung the minorities so negatively that it will take years to recover - IF the locals don't decide, based upon what they've seen, that Government is useless.

Government isn't useless, but it's always been a Bush plan to make the Federal Government appear so useless that people can't understand why they should pay for it. We pay for road and state taxes, yet the most bitching I hear is about the Fed Gov't. This is by design.

Let me make it clear.

Katrina wasn't a screwup.

Katrina was just part of a complex plan enacted to further decline the average citizen's distrust in what Federal Government can do for them.

Corporations, as you read this, are moving into NO, and taking up their territory that the Bush family staked out for them.

Donations are being turned away if they contain meat. Think about this. Donations from other countries like Germany and France, that consist of medical supplies, insulin, antibiotics, and all sorts of sterile equipment are being turned away because the food those shipments don't claim to make might contain Mad Cow.

Mad Cow. Wow.

I think we've got a Mad Elephant in charge.

[Cocoa]

1. and Santorum is attacking the National Weather Service

he has been trying to privitize it.

That's why it's important for any investigation to hold PEOPLE, not institutions, not "bureacracy," accountable.

The government works if the right PEOPLE are running it.

[etherealtruth]

9. Touche`

[etherealtruth]

10. Sorry, dupe

[CascadeTide]

16. exactly

The problem with holding government accountable is that people have to pay attention. Most (those with power and influence anyway) would rather get their piece of the pie and not be bothered with anything.

People are always complaining about schools or whatever and not wanting to fund them because the money is misspent. Well, go to your city council meetings and demand accountability. It's really not that difficult to ensure government works, you just have to show up. If that means cutting into an episode of Survivor though you can count out a good 30% of the population....

[teknomanzer]

21. Good point!

How many of those people are "too busy" to get involved and how many are just taking in the latest reality show dished out to them so they can observe some messages about the latest bright and shiny thing they need to buy or else be a total square.

[DS1]

17. Which I was going to post in this thread PART TWO

Oh no, this organization says that being an American is going to truly suck ass for the next six months. We'd better cut it. We don't like bad news.

Oh my fucking Me I can't believe how brazen these fucking assholes are.

[jilln]

2. Lots of medicines contain cow ingredients

Not sure what kind of medical supplies are being shipped, just thinking aloud.

[JI7]

3. most minorities never trusted this administration

[DS1]

24. which is why their votes were suppressed

in Fl for 2000, and in Ohio in 2004

[Pacifist Patriot]

4. Ouch! You just gave me quite a chill.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

5. If your premise is correct

I believe that their complex plan has opened Pandora's box and it will backfire on them. (sorry to mix metaphors there..)

[ThoughtCriminal]

6. Actually, It's Proving how messed up the ideology is

Not enough people are buying it.

[DS1]

26. I agree, it's backfiring on them

:-)

[Coventina]

7. Look for lots of "feel good" human interest, Katrina Recovery stories to

start appearing.

Making Madame Bush's statement about it "working out well" for the evacuees. Lots "new fresh starts" all over the country.
While NOLA & the gulf coast undergo "Massive environmental cleanup" that leads to "Massive development" by Bush's cronies.

Yep. It's not too hard to see the overall plan.

[Bouncy Ball]

8. "criminal indifference to the poor"

Can't remember where I read it recently, but that about sums it up.

[Ediacara]

11. I disagree

I think it's fairly clear that Bush's hatred of government led to the trouble, not government in general. Everyone I know, that knows even a little about Katrina (which equals everyone), knows that Bush's budgets slashed levee and seawall repair money. They also know that the aid delay was probably orchestrated by Bush, so aid arived when he did.

I think this will turn more people off to the GOP than it will to government. The GOP recklessly fucked New Orleans over, and it isn't exactly a secret.

[DS1]

13. You say you don't agree

and then you back up my argument.

[Ediacara]

25. I'm confused

How does, "I think this will turn more people off to the GOP than it will to the government," play into the neocon's hands and back up your argument.

Again, my point is that Bush's response is fooling NO ONE, and that people blame Bush and the GOP, but not the concept of government in general.

[bluedawg12]

20. Right wing Ayn Rand ; Anarcho-capitalist stuff?

The Vitrue of Selfishness and Anarchistic Capitalism?

http://veritasnoctis.blogspot.com/2005/07/is-anarchism-inherently-dualistic.html

Quote for the times: "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

And this:

http://www.spunk.org/library/otherpol/critique/sp000051.txt

"Chapter 36: The New Right and Anarcho-capitalism

Anarcho-capitalism has recently had a considerable vogue in the West
where it has helped put the role of the State back on the political
agenda. It has become a major ideological challenge to the dominant
liberalism which sees a role for government in the protection of
property. The anarcho-capitalists would like to dismantle government
and allow complete _laissez-faire_ in the economy. Its adherents
propose that all public services be turned over to private
entrepreneurs, even public spaces like town halls, streets and parks.
Free market capitalism, they insist, is hindered not enhanced by the
State.

Anarcho-capitalists share Adam Smith's confidence that somehow private
interest will translate itself into public good rather than public
squalor. They are convinced that the 'natural laws' of economics can do
without the support of positive man-made laws. The 'invisible hand' of
the market will be enough to bring social order. "

[OKJackson]

12. Your data is right, but the analasys is off

Bush didn't intend to kill a few thousand Americans. Sure, he intentionally placed us in danger through his actions, some of which had the intent of making things weaker. But Bush did not openly, consciously choose to cause this problem because it's detroying his regime.

[DS1]

14. Bush didn't INTEND to kill a few thousand Americans

when he got a letter from the CIA stating "Osama Bin Laden is determined to strike inside the United States".

The only difference between the two is that NOLA backed up this warning, stating things like "HUMAN SUFFERING WILL OCCUR THAT HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE", and things like that. But again, Bush was on VACATION.

[Brightmore]

15. "Starve the Beast"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

Starve-the-beast is a strategy of using budget deficits in order to force the government to reduce its spending; a timely example is the tax cutting policy under U.S. President George W. Bush. The word beast in the expression refers to the government and the programs it funds, and implies that these programs are destructive.

A current well-known proponent of starve-the-beast in the U.S. is Grover Norquist.

More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

[Capn Sunshine]

19. A DU article on Norquist from 2003

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/03/07/31_grover.html

by yours truly.:hi: I think Norquist, his thugs, and their philosophy are the single greatest threat to American Democracy today.

It always comes from inside.

[Stinky Bushes]

18. I agree for the most part but

but I think Bush allowed it to happen on purpose so that he could say, "See, you can't depend on the government for your welfare." This goes hand in hand with his loathing of the welfare state and so-called "government handouts." He allowed it to happen to make this point, and it worked. People are saying all over the place, "Can't depend on the government." THIS IS WHY HE GUTTED FEMA!!

Let's fight back by saying that FEMA is a good thing in principle but needs to be revamped, restructured, and restaffed.

[DS1]

23. Bush is about gutting the Federal bank account, in order to

kill off Social Security. NOLA just accelerated this, by design.

[DS1]

22. In fact, I'll take this a step further, and suggest that Karl Rove himself

is just a tool, and they are all taking their marching orders from someone much more powerful.

At least that would explain why Clinton turned.

Shit, I think Bill Hicks was onto something real when he said that each new President was taken into a smokey back room and shown a clip of the Kennedy Assasination that has never been seen before.

[FreedomAngel82]

27. Yes

Remember what Bush told Nancy Pelosi: "what went wrong?"

[laureloak]

28. But it has forced him to enact Big Government programs

to reconstruct the Gulf coast. Right now he's eating his hat.