I think this administration wants to start a race war.

[Freedomfried]

The way these people have responded, I believe its on their agenda.

They want an excuse to put the troops on all of us in the opposition. And want to agitate the blacks to the point of rebellion in order to give them the excuse to impose martial law.

Anybody else starting to see this?

[shaniqua6392]

1. It would provide the necessary diversion

so that they could really take over the country.

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. If the Feds had stayed in control of the disaster response

New Orleans would be an armed camp and the looting hordes of black people would be coming to a neighborhood near you.

[shadowknows69]

3. Well if one does start I can only hope

That the army of light won't refuse my service because my skin is white.

[clichemoth]

4. Here, want some Reynolds Wrap with that?

Barbara Bush has long been known to be a callous, unfeeling, and generally nasty woman. And since she's neither elected or appointed, no one can make her resign. She can say all the stupid things she wants and she knows it.

In no way would this administration actually want to start a race war. For one thing, the bigots and survivalists that have been prepared for one for decades aren't normally the biggest Bush fans and wouldn't hesitate to put everyone's head on a pike.

However, accidentally starting one by their own stupidity and spin control is possible. However, I have enough faith in humanity to believe that people want a less violent solution to the problems Bush has caused.

[Cats Against Frist]

23. Are you kidding me?

The survivalists and the bigots are Bush's biggest fans. They all played "foam at the mouth" and "I hate big government," while Clinton was prez, and then rolled over to let Dick Cheney scratch their nuts with the patriot act. Believe me -- I'm a libertarian, and they've let me down, beyond all let downs. Were they protecting our country when we REALLY NEEDED IT? Hell no, they were waving a flag in a locked-down "freedom" march that only apparatik loyalists are permitted to go to.

What the fuck ever, dude.

[newyawker99]

26. Hi clichemoth!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. Nuts. Think a little more deeply and remove the tin foil first.

Freedomfried, is that a name that means you endorse the idiocy of renaming french fries as freedom fries?

[Freedomfried]

27. No, Freedomfried means I'm a little burned out on the overuse of the word

Freedom, which in the Boosh context means "zilch"

"Just another word for nothing left to lose"

[elfin]

6. The sight of agitating loud and violent blacks

warms their ice cold hearts. Take the escalation of the "looting" stories to divert attention from criminal neglicence as one example. Repugs. remember that the 60's brought us Nixon after the scene at the Dem Convention.

As far as we have come, this is still a racist country - not as bad as before, but bad enough for race baiting to still "work" as a means to political power.

[OneGrassRoot]

7. If they did want that....

I would hope our military would not follow orders, considering that vast majority are indeed minorities. It's bad enough what our troops may be thinking after all the reasons for going into Iraq have been proven to be false...but now, post-Katrina, what must they be thinking about their country, about *?

[timtom]

8. Nah! It's a class war.

The race part is incidental. Key phrase: rich white folks.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

16. Straight out of Canada

D.O.A.
Class War

I want a war,
between the rich and the poor.
I wanna fight and know what I'm fighting for.
in a class war,
class war,
class war,
class war,
class war,
class war,
class war.
in new york and la,
city halls are falling down.
there's no escape,
when a class war comes to town.
in a class war,
class war,
class war,
class war,
class war,
class war.
if I'm told to kill,
in beirut or salvador,
there will be a class war,
right here in america.
in a class war,
class war,
class war,
this war,
that war,
class war,
last war

[Minstrel Boy]

9. Helter Skelter, she's comin' down fast.

From my blog:

Order doesn't hate chaos, because chaos nourishes it. And whether this disaster was made to happen, allowed to happen, or just happened, Order must be eating this up.

Remember what Charlie wanted? "According to Vince Bugliosi," writes Adam Gorightly (who adds an interesting sidebar on Manson's fascination with Freemasonry), his "main motive behind the murders was to provoke a race war that would later be blamed on black militants." Helter Skelter.

Manson borrowed from The Book of Revelations the image of the "bottomless pit," but his pit was a sanctuary, in which he and his family would await the end of a racial armageddon. The Blacks, he said, would rise and slaughter the Whites, turning America's cities into...well, something resembling New Orleans. The Family would emerge to rule the world, because the Blacks would find they still needed a White master. Since Helter Skelter was slow in coming, he sent Tex Watson and friends to perpetrate a false flag operation.

I can't see the faces of New Orleans without recognizing their colour. I can't hear a voice like Michael Medved's, who said only criminals were left behind, and not recall his own. I can't think of George Bush without thinking of Charles Manson, nor one family without the other.

There is a war between the rich and poor,
a war between the man and the woman.
There is a war between the left and right,
a war between the black and white,
a war between the odd and the even.

There are the wars they want fought, because they don't fight them, and there are the enemies of their choice (Blacks at home, Browns abroad). And then there is the real war that has yet to be engaged in more than fits and starts. It's the war between Life and Death. And which side are you on, boys - which side are you on?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. As if there isn't enough grief to go around you invoke the nutcase Manson

It is just nonsense we can do with out, this race baiting. And that's what it is when you claim the other side is trying to ignite a race war. Stop it please.

[H2O Man]

11. We live in

explosive times. I've just come from a thread that contained a discussion about "empires," and had replied to an insightful statement about the historic route that empires take .... over-extending, ignoring basics such as education, etc .... it was on target. You might recognize it. (smile)

A simple fact about empires which always holds true is that people of different "race"/tribe/ethnic background/religion/language on the margins of those empires is that they are always less invested in the culture .... so, when it begins to shake at its foundations, they are less likely to sacrifice to prop it up. The Germanic tribes were notinterested in trying to save the Roman Empire; they kicked the legs out from under the table of the ruling class. The Vietnamese were not thinking they needed to save French colonialism in WW2; they wanted their own freedom. Few Irish were singing "God Save the Queen" when the sun began to set on that old British Empire.

Our society is at a crossroads that offers a path towards creating a stronger social fabric, and one that leads to utter disintegration of any social fabric. The fact that our president is representing the interests of a group that is advocating a religious war in the Middle East tears at that fabric. The fact that Mexicans and Mexican-Americans are frequently kept at the margins society weakens our opportunity to reach our full potential; yet many "middle class white" citizens recognize that they are not valued anymore than a 20-year old Mexican, hoping to cross the border and find a job in the USA. Native Americans continue to find the larger society views them as symbols of the past, rather than recognizing them as a conscience that the republican machine would bulldoze and blacktop before the mainstream fully grasps the urgency of their message. And clearly black leaders view the Katrina experience differently that white leaders.

More, our nation makes a dangerous error in defining racism and prejudice in white versus non-white terms. That is something we cannot afford. We too often hear sincere people parrot the foolish line that only white folk can be prejudice, because they hold the power in our society. This is sheer ignorance. The SPLC has an important article on the rise in tensions between the black and Latino communities in the US. Clearly, the old definitions do not work in our modern society.

Was M.B.'s post "race-baiting"? Or was it pointing out concerns that through a combination of bad intentions and ignorance, the powers that be in this country are creating conditions that can only lead to violence, death, and destruction? We all, hopefully, find his choice of symbols unsettling. I trust he picked his symbol for exactly that affect.

[Freedomfried]

28. Manson saw the potential for this...

So does this administration.

(good post by the way)

[pretzel4gore]

12. there are fundamental flaws in human society

perhaps that was what jesus was all about?
anyway, reading eric fromm's 'to have or to be' which is a philosophical treatise on how modern men, since the industrial revolution, have substituting 'having' for actually 'being' and an example of this is that we say we 'have a problem' rather then are 'in trouble' or 'feeling distress' or whatever....Fromm builds up this thesis, explaining how the change in mentality represented a different and fundamental mode of existence, which, to be blunt, spells catastrophe for humanity because the new mentality makes us sick both individually and as a society...w/out getting into the details of Fromm's book, let's just say that none of this is unknown; indeed it's well known and backed up with research, data etc...Fromm writes that "It's an unbelievable fact that no serious effort is made to avert what looks like a final decree of fate. While in our private life nobody except a mad person would remain passive in view of a threat to his total existence, those who are in charge of public affairs do practically nothing, and those who have entrusted their fate to them let them continue to do nothing"

The forces at work pander to the greed, the cruelty, the ignorant , the racist and the hypocrites, this 2000 years after Christ also brought to human attention that 'there is no choice; treat each other as brothers or die like fukking idiot pigs' (paraphrase)...reagan, and now bush, are proof the ignorant well to do pigs having control of the most powerful and richest society on earth, in all of history, and are eagerly bankrupting it....

[H2O Man]

13. Great post!

Erich Fromm has long been one of my favorite authors. I just said to my wife that your post reminded me how much I enjoy reading his works, and she reached behind me on one of our bookshelves .... and handed me "To Have or To Be?"

"If we were conciously aware," the cover asks us, "of what we really know about ourselves and others, we could not go on living as we do, accepting so many lies?"

I'll start with this one, and then enjoy reading some of his other books. Thank you.

[pretzel4gore]

18. it seems so simple, yet mountains somehow move

regardless of simple truth....modern man might even be less on top, in control of his situation then the ancients, or the aborigines etc...yet power and control are the very thing that we think about and act on(?)
one thing. william blake said 'we see the world through a blurred lens; if we would simply clean the lens (or stop looking at life through it, then we'd see reality' (i'm paraphrasing what i remember he said)...st augustine, in his 'confessions' complained that 'milkmaids and callow youths' saw truth and took flight while he and his 'erudite and learned' friends (lol) were stuck trudging about in the dirt and mud...since reading that, i've often wondered if it's simple, then why isn't it easy?
the hope is that as a result of the bush extravaganza, humanity's elders will be forced to quiet the roaring beast and the well being of all can be attached to a few saints, who'll lead us outta this mess

[Bernardo de La Paz]

14. Materialism over enlightenment; wealth above god, the hypocrites

The Republican's emphasis on wealth ("I've got my stack, Jack") at the expense of public well-being is hypocritical given how many of them espouse nominal christianity.

I think the fundamental flaws are in Republican / Power Party / Bush society, not the society of the Truth party (Democrats).

[pretzel4gore]

19. true...

who benefits? is a question society finds convenient to abuse by asking when it applies to the poor but in general, it is one way that it appears the 'big lie' hitler/goebbels mentioned gets fast tracked all the goddam time by simply ignoring!....christ says the battle is personal, but 'christians' use christ to push a moralistic pretentious agenda at the government level at the same time they fight the establishment of true christianity at the government level...the hypocrisy is amazing, cuz no one can see it ACCORDING TO THE VERY PEOPLE ie foxnews and cnn etc, who benefit from the confusion.
it is so bltantly obvious that wtc #7 was demolished using prepared explosives, it is so obvious that 'arabs' while suspects yes, were never identified with certainty on 911 especially if referring to the olsen phone call/cnn link etc...it is so obvious only the busheviks benefitted from the 911 tragedy yet....yet nothing....

[Bernardo de La Paz]

29. No, not so blatantly obvious. Rather the opposite.

Nonsense.

[ikojo]

15. Well, they and their Democratic enablers have been

engaged in a one sided class war for decades and still there are many, many poor people. If their goal is to rid the US of poor people (or at least the excess, because the rich and upper middle class will still need a substantial number of low wage workers to do stuff they don't like to do) then a race war would certainly accomplish that.

What response have the Dems had to Rep Baker (R) saying that while they have been trying to clean up N,.O public housing for decades, it looks like god did it for them? I hope the response was swift and forceful.

The pugs have been courting conservative church going black voters for awhile now. This is a good opportunity for the Dems to let blacks and working class people in general know they wll be there for them now and not only when they want our votes.

[Rex]

17. I think they want a federal police state.

LA was just their first step in a diabolical plan to take over the country and do away with elections.

[JuniperLea]

20. Helter Skelter

And Bush is the new Manson

[timtom]

25. "Bush is the new Manson"

God!!! I love it.

Wait...Manson is far more intelligent and in tune with truth.

[bluedawg12]

21. They want to get minorities to sign up for the military

and go fight in Oilrack, and they also want to send a message that they are in charge and the ones to make us feel secure.

This was a mis-step.

[Cats Against Frist]

22. I don't think that's so far-fetched

if only for the fact that they could do EXACTLY what you're suggesting, if the blacks started rioting. They could crack down on us all, and sceerdy-pants "core 'murica," would lap it up. "Save us from the darkies," they'd say. It would kick-in an irrational, gut-response from all the moderates who've let their support slip from Bush. They'd all be on the chow-wagon, again.

[leesa]

24. I agree. What better excuse for putting the entire country under

Marshall Law. Look at how heavily the MSM is selling the unrest and rioting scenery. The brand new PR queen makes an official statement saying the looting makes us look bad!!

[ecstatic]

30. * didn't count on the masses caring about stranded black people

It is possible that his admin was waiting for the victims to start rioting. Then, as you said, martial law would go into effect on a wide scale. Obviously, all other Black Americans looking on would be riled up and possibly take it to the streets, igniting a nation wide race war. Just a thought, who knows..

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. A caller to the Flanders show

said that, the NG prevented a race riot... and he thanked the NG for that, now he had no kind words for Blackwater's Mercenaries, but that is a whole different ball of wax