RE:Bush declares emergency in 9 more states

[freemen2005]

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=3833103

"WHITE HOUSE President Bush has declared a state of emergency in nine more states which are housing victims of Hurricane Katrina.

The declaration opens the door for those states to federal relief funding. The measure indicates that such funding should go to things that save lives or protect public health or safety.

Today's declarations affect the states of: Alabama, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and South Dakota."

OKAY, the problem with this is incredible.

By doing this it gives the military control and power to do anything in areas not affected by the hurricane. AND to pay employees less since he waived that bill for minimum salary.

Does anyone else see this as a HUGE PROBLEM ??

I think there is alot more going on than meets the eye. They know the shit is going to hit the fan and are preparing for it.

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Yikes.... are they sending out guys with M-16s yet?

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[pitohui]

2. guess i'm not seeing the problem

i lived in an area where federal emergency status was denied during another emergency, now THAT was a problem

not being able to get funding, grants, loans, other benefits of federal emergency status was a BIG problem

recognizing we have a life-sized emergency here & the funding will be needed in states where ppl are relocating is not a big problem, it's almost the first sensible thing i've heard out of the feds since this mess has started

the military does not have the power to do "anything" in areas that have been declared federal disaster areas, i've been in areas under such declarations several times, the jack-booted thugs do not come marching into yr home to confiscate the family silver

it is a matter of being able to get financial resources to the DPs

chill pill time

[Mutley]

8. To me, the problem is...

if he's going to declare a state of emergency in every state where Katrina survivors have gone, that could end up being nearly every state. I know that many have come to my state, Maryland, (the local news reported close to 1,000) and even though this allows resources for the evacuees to become available, it also opens the door to installing martial law indefinitely. I'm not sure of the exact numbers but there are several million people living in my state. I don't see why a state of emergency has to be declared in these individual states. The state of emergency declared in the states where the disaster actually happened should be enough.

BTW, I don't believe a state of emergency has been declared in my state, yet, but I'm sure it's on the way.

[undeterred]

10. There are a few hundred evacuees in Wisconsin

For that we should be in a state of emergency? We had a tornado a few weeks ago that affected more than that.

[Mutley]

11. Exactly.

I just don't see the need to be in a state of emergency when the evacuees are such a tiny portion of the total population. I know Maryland should have the resources to take care of these people without being in a state of emergency.

[pitohui]

14. if wisconsin doesn't want, they don't have to request

believe me, the states requesting federal emergency status want the help and the $$$

some of these states, like south carolina, are themselves poor states, they need help to help the displaced

[sinkingfeeling]

3. It's the only way to get money released from FEMA to help the states

that have large numbers of evacuated people in shelters.

[malaise]

4. Military take over

becasue they know it's going to get real ugly in Amerika.

[hang a left]

5. Isn't it interesting that Texas isn't on that list? eom

[elehhhhna]

7. iirc we were listed before the above declaration.

[cynatnite]

6. Do we have a complete list of states?

I found New Mexico, Utah and Pennsylvania.

http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=bush+declares+emergency&c=

[DanCa]

9. The Bush Administration worst nightmare has come true

they have to help poor people.

[cynatnite]

12. More information:

snipped from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_emergency

A state of emergency is a governmental declaration that may suspend certain normal functions of government, may work to alert citizens to alter their normal behaviors, or may order government agencies to implement emergency preparedness plans. It can also be used as a rationale for suspending civil liberties. Such declarations usually come during a time of natural disaster, during periods of civil unrest, or following a declaration of war (therefore, in democratic countries many call this martial law, most with non critical intent).

In the United States, the chief executive is typically empowered to declare a State of Emergency. The President of the United States, a governor of a state, or even a local mayor may declare a State of Emergency within his or her jurisdiction. This is relatively rare at the federal level, but quite common at the state level in response to natural disasters.

Typically, a state of emergency empowers the executive to name coordinating officials to deal with the emergency and to override normal administrative processes regarding the passage of administrative rules.

The courts in the United States are often very lenient in allowing almost any action to be taken in the case of such a declared emergency, if it is reasonably related. For example, habeas corpus is the right to challenge an arrest in court. The U.S. Constitution says, "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

Louisiana (U.S.) declared a state of emergency on August 27, 2005, due to the imminent threat posed by Hurricane Katrina. <1>
Mississippi and Alabama (U.S.) also declared a state of emergency on August 28, 2005, in response to Hurricane Katrina.
Texas and Arkansas (U.S.) declared a state of emergency on September 2, 2005 in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
Tennessee, Georgia, Oklahoma, Florida, West Virginia, North Carolina, Utah, and Colorado (U.S.) declared a state of emergency on September 5, 2005, bringing the total to thirteen states under a state of emergency as a result of Hurricane Katrina.

[cynatnite]

30. Twenty-one states declared national disasters so far according to:

http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=3833103

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_emergency

Louisiana
Mississippi
Alabama
Texas
Arkansas
Tennessee
Georgia
Oklahoma
Florida
West Virginia
North Carolina
Utah
Colorado
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Missouri
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota

[sam sarrha]

13. they found a way to declare martial law for the Echonomic Emergancy

they are creating...

[pitohui]

15. whatever

it's hard for me to identify, i'm from louisiana

this is more than an economic emergency, much more

displaced ppls need $$$, homes, jobs even if they have been scattered to far distant states

[sam sarrha]

18. dispersing is the method to Gentryize the area.. got rid of the poor, just

like Mexico is exporting the poor to the USA to raise the standard of living for the "Haves" in Mexico.. they enjoy a standard of living second only to FRANCE..!!

it is always about money

and with the Squander if our treasury in Iraq, they need more from the underclasses all the time.. Prosperity on the backs of the underclasses is going to be short lived.

[HuskiesHowls]

16. Iowa has put preparations on hold

because their aren't many evacuees wanting to come here. Watching WGN (Chicago) news one night, it appears there aren't many going to Illinois, either. I don't blame the evacuees at all because they want to stay near their homes.
On NPR the other day, they were saying that many of these people wouldn't have the money to return, once they're transported.

[sam sarrha]

20. The Casinos are go'n up & will make Las Vegas look like and old Strip Mall

[freemen2005]

17. bump

[CascadeTide]

19. we'll see how this plays out

according to the bush administration in response to the immediate afermath, they have no power to do anything unless asked by local authorities. They're in checkmate but that doesn't necessarily mean anything to them, they change the rules as they go.

[hardrainfallin]

21. Yep.

They know the shit is going to hit the fan and are preparing for it.

And this is why they have been rejecting the aid of foreign countries: they DO NOT want foreign troops on US soil.

[neweurope]

25. Bingo! n/t

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[hardrainfallin]

26. I'm starting to feel like a fucking mind reader

every step they have taken I have foreseen.

Apropos the Hague....Unfortunately I haven't the time to pursue this angle:

we've got folks trying to go after them according to the Helsinki Accord (1975?)

Others trying to do the same with Geneva.....

What I haven't seen anyone try to get going is to go after them according to the terms of the Un Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, to which the US became a signatory under Reagan (was it 86?)

http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm#II


In fact, looking at this list of UN charters and conventions and whatever, it seems there is hardly one of them that wouldn't cover any number of actions this gov is involved in

http://www.ohchr.org/english/law/index.htm

These thugs have quite obviously elevated themselves above US law.

If the international community does not begin responding on an OFFICIAL level, then the international community is as guilty now of standing by and watching, doing nothing, as it was while Hitler sent "undesirables" off to their deaths

And there is no doubt in my mind that when they've established complete and total military control over this country, Western Europe will have top priority on their list of targets (what was that someone just posted about Halliburton trucks in FF/M?) Hmmm.

So my message to Old Europe: ha ha ha. The "Americans" have been brought to their knees.

Great, we got the president we "deserve'.
So don't take action on our behalf. Sit around yucking it up. Pointing fingers.

Just don't forget: you're next.

So, don't try to use international law on our behalf: see it as a preemptive (legal and peaceful) war against the floodwaters about to come crashing over your own shores.

[neweurope]

27. I know we're next.

:scared:

1.) It's already begun: At "request" of the USA we now have "Terra-Laws" in EU. Including loss of civil rights.

2.) People over here have not the SLIGHTEST idea of what's going on in the US right now. People think I'm crazy when I try to tell them. "Where's your proof?" They think the idea of another fascist regime is ridiculous. I try to remind them that at the time the idea that those civilized Germans could be murdering Jews by the tousands was also thought to be "ridiculous". It doesn't work.

3.) I'M even sure that our governments don't really comprehend what's going on (of course they have a long history of believing the CIA). Other than the war for oil and other resources, of course, that's plain to be seen. I think the French still have the most understanding, hence the fury of the Bushistas. If Merkel wins the elections we won't have that axis Germany-France anymore, I'm afraid. Instead the Bushistas will have one more unwavering ally - and be it only because that woman will feel genually honored to be sitting on Bush'sd lap for five minutes.

4.) The USA have - not only under Republican, but also under Democratic presidents - weoll taken care of their "defense". They have made sure that no country in the world can do anything against the USA. You are the biggest bully on the block. The world is scared of you.

5.) The military-industrial complex has long since been global. Who do you think pulls the strings in Europe?

6.)The MAIN PROBLEM THOUGH IS THAT THE DEMOCRATS DON'T SCREAM! As long as DEMOCRATS - which the world considers to be the US opposition - vote RIGHT ALONG with the Republicans time and again, as long as they don't give interviews in Europe and the rest of the world complaining bitterly about the Bushistas, as long as nobody comes over to Europe seeking political asylum - nobody over here will even believe that things aren't just fine and dandy in the land of the free. I know you can't do anything about your government right now but you have GOT to get those chiefs of the Democratic party to scream. Unfortunately I'm afraid that won't happen, either, because kicking out those rich, powerful and influential people will hardly be possible.

7.) The International Court of Law doesn't apply for the US. The US only gave their ok to establish it (you see - without the consent of the US NOTHING can happen) under condition that US citizens wouldn't have to answer to it. Of course I don't give up hope and I'll keep screaming: Bush to the Hague!, and Cheney and all the rest of that fascist baggage.

8.) Why do you think that I spend hours on DU every day?

I know we're next. And I am scared.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[hardrainfallin]

28. Hey neweurope....

I know what you're saying: one thing, though, as i've just explained to a bunch of German friends, that I don't think you guys understand about the political situation here...they keep saying "why aren't there impeachment proceedings going on".....well, the fuckers have a majority in the house and senate. That's the deal. even if our dems had an ounce of spine, still their hands would be tied.

We couldn't even force a formal investigation of the election results, only an informal hearing held in some silly-assed backroom basement...

At any rate, I encourage you to encourage govs over there to use every available international treaty to take action NOW....these s.o.b.s are breaking every rule in the book (and the fucking foreign press isnt' getting it right, either, German Süddeutsche reporting that Brown has been fired: bullshit, he's just been taken out of the spotlight.)

http://sueddeutsche.de/,tt2m2/ausland/artikel/341/60281/

Anyway, where are you? I'm assuming UK?

I'm so pissed at the GERMANS right now I could SPIT. They of all people in Europe should know what is going down here. Starting to wish we'd left them to fend for themselves against Hitler.

[neweurope]

29. I'm German, Frankfurt region. Hold with the being pissed, I try

not to hate all Americans, too :)

Where are you? Frankfurt?

"even if our dems had an ounce of spine, still their hands would be tied." I know this is true, BUT: What would matter over here ist to hear some kind of PROTEST from Democrats. Instead Kerry - and Kerry only - has been touring Europe not sounding all THAT much different from Bush. Europenas think it's ok if the opposition doesn't complain and largely even VOTES for the crap the Bushistas cook up. Can'T blame them for that!

The kind of protest from people like the DUers hardly reaches Europe. The news channels, the news agencies worldwide are in very few hands; I know small German papers which little money who have to rely ONLY on AP...


No, what it takes is prominent dissidents who speak out!


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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[hardrainfallin]

31. Frankfurt?

Um himmelswillen, Nein, ich sitze hier in Chicago. Bin geburtige Ami. Ja sogar mit Indianerherkunft (u.a., mütterlicherseits; väterlicherseits, deutsch-jüdisch. Schöne bunte Mischung, nit wahr?)

Lived in Germany for almost ten years (84-93), mostly in the north (Kiel, later Bonn-Wuppertal, mit regelmäßigen Abstecker nach Berlin).... My first bit of culture shock came when, in 1993, I returned to the US and got put in the IMMIGRANT line at O'hare. Mistaken for a "Kraut" (i mean that affectionately;)

And I couldn't agree with you more about the Dems. Have written all of them--those whom I've given money or votes--and said: this is it, either you stand up now and start raising the wholly hell you should have been raising all along or you will get neither my money nor my votes.

And of course I don't hate every German. Some of my best friends are Germans--it's just that I've got some of them coming into my inbox these days basically thinking i'm some sort of political hercules or something and am supposed to turn 25 years of bad, lazy politics on its head!

I just don't think anyone in Europe--in Germany in particular--unless they've actually lived here for a long, long time, can really begin to fathom the situation here: politically, economically, socially, culturally. We are WORLDS apart. If you're life experience is mostly "Europe", there is just no way to comprehend how BAD it is here. William Greider, in his book "One WOrld Ready or Not: The Manic Logic of Global Capitalism" did a pretty good job of summing up the differences, but that was back in the 90s. Today it's even worse.


Anyway, don't shoot me, I'm just a lousy translator.

Ironically, I've spent the last year translating original source documents by authors with such names as Krieck, Schmidt, Hitler, Goebbels, Goering, Heydrich and co (1,500 pages of Nazi shit and counting)....that is "The real thing"--the parallels in rhetoric, in propagandistic strategy, etc. are worse than eery.

So anyway, if you get the chance, could you at least do me the favor of writing the fucking SZ to tell them to get their facts straight?

[Rex]

22. Looks like we are well on our way to a total military state

LA was first and now 9 more states, FEMA will be the death of us all!

[Toots]

23. Now twelve states are without Davis-Bacon

The silence from the Unions is deafening

[Pobeka]

24. Oh shit. Pardon my french. n/t

[Rex]

32. Does that mean the feds could dictate who gets to work in

these "emergency" areas? Who gets contracts and fair pay?