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freemen2005 Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:23 AM
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Who should lead the country?
Who do you think would be best suited to pull the nation out of this hole Bush has gotten it into?

Its time to start thinking ahead to who will replace the current regime.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:25 AM
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1. Somebody new
somebody with no baggage

somebody with no keepers

somebody with no conflict of interest (e.g. ways to make money from government deals)



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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:42 AM
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4. Somebody new...
...sounds good to me.

But we should recognise that the job will be different for the next president.
Special skills will be required to clean up the mess's at home and abroad. First consider the job requirements and then find somebody who has the required skill set.
I believe an independant would be best.

But unless the election system is repaired first, dark characters will select and appoint the next president, just as they did the last.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:55 AM
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The election processs
is more important than the candidate. If we can't trust our vote, it's over. We've got to have a paper trail. I don't trust online betting and I don't trust electronic voting.

Even the Republicans have to acknowledge that this is the first priority. Illegitimate elections don't do them any good, either. As long as a sizeable portion of people can claim stolen election, the whole system suffers.
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:01 AM
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7. Pen & paper
Pen & paper ballot, hand counted at the precinct.

That's how it is done in many countries today, and how it was done for generations in America.

It aint quite perfect, but far more trustworthy than any e.machine.

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hardrainfallin Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:38 AM
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2. the candidate who won the last popular vote
in this country should put together a cabinet.....
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Qibing Zero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:41 AM
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3. Congress, after we clean it up a good bit.
Really, we need that much reform. If we have to vote in a president, he can be top diplomat and model citizen.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:43 AM
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5. Like TalahasseeGrannie said.
If we go for another one of the same-old same-old, we'll get even deeper into this mess.

To all those out there who are swooning over the possibility of a Hillary Clinton candidacy I say take a long, hard look at her. She comes with an incredible amount of baggage, not even counting in Bill. Plus, she is so much a party insider that it may be impossible for her to stand up for what's really the right thing, even if she understands what the right thing is. She has gone along with some of the worst legislation the Bush administration has proposed, including supporting the war in Iraq.

The same to those who think Kerry could be our savior. He campaigned badly and then did not insist that all of the votes be counted correctly in 2004. It's beyond pathetic the way he betrayed us. Especially all of us who originally supported another candidate and who then threw a lot of energy into his campaign.

Every single one of the Dems who originally ran in 2004. Not a one of them is unsullied and can truly lead us forward out of this mess.

If we didn't need her so much here in Kansas, I'd suggest our wonderful governor, Kathleen Sebelius. The governor of Montana, Brian Schweitzer could be good. He's another Democratic governor of a largely Republican state (as is Sebelius). But hardly anyone has heard of him.

Personally, I don't think we're anywhere near to seeing the end of all the horrors. Read Generations or The Fourth Turning, both by William Strauss and Neil Howe. In a nutshell, according to their theory of generational types and cycles of history, we are only at the beginning of a Crisis era, which will most likely continue for another 15 or 20 years.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:55 AM
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6. Dennis Kucinich
Al Gore
Barbara Boxer
John Conyers

That's my shortlist. There may be others who would fit; no dem apologists or dems hiding under the bushes waiting for the next election to speak up will make the cut for me.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:15 AM
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8. I guess I am
waiting for a Messiah or something. But I can't help but feel there is fresh blood out there somewhere.

I admire Hilary, but don't think she is electable.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:47 AM
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12. Just look at your avatar, Grannie...
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 11:50 AM by stlsaxman
Well, not so much as a WORD of Gore in any of your prior posts.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:29 PM
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18. Ohhhhhh
Al Gore. Don't break my heart. Of any politician EVER in this world that I was behind 100 percent, it was that man. I met him when the magnet lab opened here at FSU and my kids were involved. I shook his hand and looked into his eyes and saw honesty and intelligence and absolutely no guile or artiface. I never thought GWB could ever even get close. But people thought he was "wooden" and said he "invented the internet." BS. He never said that. And I found him solid and strong and very, very funny.

Personally, I think he could do it. But I know a lot of folks feel once you have lost, it's over.

I just never got behind JFKerry with the same fervor.

And get this: I live in FL and I was very sick that election day and my husband and two kids stayed home with me. I was dangerously ill. FOUR VOTES. IN FLORIDA. OH GOD. We moaned about that for the next month at least and I still haven't gotten over it.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:21 PM
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16. Fresh blood is good
although I think it is beyond the boundaries of possible that a total unknown will become president.

I'd look at your avatar. The popularly elected president of the U.S.; the guy who found some planes and went down to start evacuating people from NOLA before GWB managed to get back from his vacation.

The guy who was here in my state last week, speaking to the public at no charge about global warming, and who stayed to do his presentation all over again for the overflow crowd who couldn't fit in the building the first time.

While Kucinich is my first choice whenever possible, I have a lot of respect for Al Gore.

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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:30 PM
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19. Gore
now there is a real leader. A real man.


sigh....

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:38 PM
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23. Yep. A 'Gore/Kucinich' administration would be my choice.
Paul Krugman for Secretary of the Treasury.
Bernie Sanders as Secretary of Labor.
Mike Honda as Secretary of Education.
Ralph Nader as Secretary of Commerce. :evilgrin:
Hillary Clinton as Secretary of Defense.
Jesse Jackson as Secretary of HUD.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 06:40 AM
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33. Gore/Kucinich or Kucinich/Gore: I like it!
That's a combination with some real power to get things done. I think they'd make a good team.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:52 PM
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26. Agree & I'd add Reps. Jackson-Lee, Jones, Lee, McKinney, Waters
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 06:53 PM by Sapphire Blue
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 06:41 AM
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34. I don't know enough about
the rest of your list at this point except for Waters, and you're right; I can add her.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:17 AM
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9. Al Gore--or basically, anyone who isn't a Republican.
I'm becoming less amused with their unfailing willingness to kiss Bush hiney.

It reeks of lobotomized worship, and it's disturbing considering that the object of their worship is someone who can't string two sentences together on his own.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:24 AM
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10. Al Gore is the first and only person that comes to mind.
Even after reading the other posts...

Hillary and Kerry are good/great Senators and should STAY that way.

Unless "someone new" comes out of nowhere, I go with Al.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:06 AM
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11. Al Gore
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:48 AM
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13. Howard or Al
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nickyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:19 PM
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14. Aaron Broussard and Jabbar Gibson
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 12:20 PM by nickyt
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:20 PM
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15. Russ Fiengold.
or Howard Dean.
Al Gore is the last person I would want running the country.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:59 PM
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17. Oh, please! Gore would be fine.
But Kucinich would be better!
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:31 PM
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20. Power to the PEOPLE eom
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:31 PM
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21. Gore/Boxer '08
what a ticket!!!!
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:34 PM
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22. John Cleese for President.
See the lounge.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:41 PM
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24. Wes Clark
Heck, even some Canadian told Jack Cafferty today that Clark should be put in charge of FEMA - pronto - because he was the only one who could straighten its mess out.

LOL!
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:48 PM
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americans love their generals...
especially with the lousy security job dubya is doing.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:48 PM
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25. Skinner and William Pitt
:smoke:
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:54 PM
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27. Leaders
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 06:54 PM by jokerman93
Wes Clarke - president
Dennis Kucinich - vice president

A man must dream.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:54 PM
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28. A ground squirrel would be better than what we have.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:54 PM
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29. Al Gore
He would still be President now if BushCo hadn't stolen the election.

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:55 PM
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30. ray nagin or dick cheney?
i'll go w. nagin

heck, i'd go w. my discarded pair of underpants
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:58 PM
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31. Wes Clark!!
Among all his other stellar qualifications, he has the military expertise to fix up the Iraq mess.

My other choice would be Al Gore. He should have been our president and should still be. He'd be in his second term right now if not for the thieving Republicans.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:03 PM
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32. Willy Boy, although he can't run again. Next in line, Al Gore. n/t
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 06:43 AM
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35. Jabbar Gibson, The Kid Who Stole The Bus And Drove To Houston
with 70 other katrina evacuees!

A man of action!
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