Beware - trolls out this AM

[DoYouEverWonder]

Dem bashing is the order for the day.

I don't understand why some of us love to do the freepers work for them.

[UTUSN]

1. Well, This's for Them: NAGIN Was/Is a Repuke Who Ran Dem

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Before his election, Nagin was a member of the Republican Party and had little political experience; he was a vice president and general manager at Cox Communications, a cable communications company and subsidiary of Cox Enterprises. Nagin did give contributions periodically to candidates, namely President George W. Bush and former Republican U.S. Representative Billy Tauzin in 1999 and 2000, as well as to Democratic U.S. Senators John Breaux and J. Bennett Johnston earlier in the decade.

Days before filing for the New Orleans Mayoral race in February 2002, Nagin switched his party registration to the Democratic Party. Shortly before the primary election, an endorsement praising Nagin as a reformer by Gambit Magazine gave him crucial momentum that would carry through for the primary election and runoff. In the first round of the crowded mayoral election in February 2002, Nagin received first place with 29% of the vote, against such opponents as Police Chief Richard Pennington, State Senator Paulette Irons, City Councilman Troy Carter and others. In the runoff with Pennington in May 2002, Nagin won with 59% of the vote. His campaign was largely self-financed.

Shortly after taking office, Nagin launched an anti-corruption campaign within city government, which included crackdowns on the city's Taxicab Bureau and Utilities Department. Nagin also made a controversial endorsement of current Republican U.S. Representative Bobby Jindal in the 2003 Louisiana Gubernatorial Runoff over current Democratic Governor Kathleen Blanco, and only reluctantly endorsed U.S. Senator John Kerry in the 2004 Presidential race.

Nagin received a B.S. degree in accounting from Tuskegee University in 1978 and an M.B.A. degree from Tulane University in 1994. He and his wife, Seletha Smith Nagin, have three children: Jeremy, Jarin, and Tianna.

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[DoYouEverWonder]

3. So?

This is someone else' opinion. Yes he contributed to both sides. Sometimes that is the only way anyone can make it in local politics. As a matter of fact on the local level there are Republicans that I have backed over Democrats. That's what democracy is supposed to be about. Picking the person that you think is best for the job no matter what party they belong to.

[UTUSN]

13. The Wingnut Attacks on Him Are Based on the Dem Label

Plus, being a "cafeteria voter" is not ideologically coherent. I *did* vote for ONE Repuke at the local level ONCE. It was a throw-the-bums-out thing, corrupt "Dems" after 12 years of entrenched power ("power corrupts"). Really, I don't think that Dems who perform graft and take bribes are real, ideological Dems---they are just crooks.

[leesa]

29. So if that is your philosophy, why do you object to Dem bashing???

Makes no sense to me.

[DoYouEverWonder]

33. I'm objecting to bashing our own

who are in the middle of this tragedy and you have done their best under the worst of circumstances.

Bashing each other has it's time and place but so does supporting our own, especially when they are being swift boated by Karl Rove & CO. We just play into their hands when we do this and make their jobs easier.

[bahrbearian]

4. Seemed like he was carrying Repuke water today too!

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. He cursed the President out on the air during the storm

I would guess that he doesn't want to do any more damage, to that relationship at the moment, because it will directly impact his people if he does. Bush is very vengeful and Nagin knows it. Sometimes who have to swallow some shit, when the white man that has power over you holds all the marbles.

[bahrbearian]

11. I thought of that too, but why turn on Blanko?

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. Sometimes

people kick the dog instead of hitting their kid when they're upset? I don't know?

[UTUSN]

19. Because He's Really a Repuke at the Core? n/t

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. He doesn't act like a Repug

Even in the midst of the disaster, the Repugs only cared about property and security. The Dems cared first and foremost for the people. Nagin did everything he could to help his people. I think that proves he's a real DEM.

[ohio_liberal]

40. But

The police were dispatched to protect property during the "looting". :shrug:


FWIW, I got the impression that at least some of the police force was not impressed that they were pulled away from actually saving people to protect property. There were lots of articles about some of them turning a blind eye to the "looters" and making on the spot distinctions between looting and gathering. (Remember the story about cops only letting people take a pair of shoes from a store if they were the right size for their feet?)

[Why Syzygy]

44. well yeah

This has been in the recesses of my mind since the incident.

Shooting each other should never be the order of the day.
But, given starving, dehydrated, panic stricken people and a total loss to whatever store owner that was (insurance),
WHERE IS THE CRIME? I could be wrong about this.

But people have to eat.
And don't incite them to shoot each other to do it!

[DoYouEverWonder]

47. He had to try to maintain order

Especially when Bush started sending in the gestapo forces. He could see that the media was having a field day reporting all the supposed lawless behavior.

[TwilightZone]

41. Actions speak louder than labels.

Pardon the slightly-modified cliche', but I agree that Nagin's actions during the height of the crisis certainly seemed much more left than right. I can't imagine any Republican screaming at the POTUS in public because he's worried about his constituents.

[bahrbearian]

30. Your 1st post explained a lot.

[Merlot]

25. Women are always easy targets.

[UTUSN]

17. After the Cursing, He Met w Shrub & Came Outside CORRECTED n/t

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. Bush gave him the lowdown

and Nagin knew he had no choice. The black people understand this better then most of us whities.

[TwilightZone]

7. "only reluctantly endorsed U.S. Senator John Kerry"

That accurately describes about half of DU.

Edit: should we question their motives, as well?

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Damned if you do

and damned if you don't.

[TwilightZone]

18. Very true.

The standards that our politicians are required to meet for personal approval of some on DU often seem ludicrously high.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

28. Not really.

1. Honest
2. Straight shooter
3. Spine
4. Progressive


It's amazing how few have these simple qualities. Not a high bar at all, yet few seem to be able get over the bar (maybe it's all that corporate do-re-me in their pockets that is tethering them to the Earth).

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. Seems Nagin has exhibited most of those qualities

in the last two weeks.

However, even the strongest of men have to know when to back down, especially when peoples' lives are still at stake.

Don't people understand how vulnerable New Orleans is right now? There are a lot of dark players who would love to create more chaos and NO would be an easy place to start it.

Maybe because I grew up in a Sicilian family, I understand this mind set and how it works.

[Why Syzygy]

48. More chaos?

How would that be possible? I don't even want to think about it.
It gives me the creeps when I think about George FUBAR carrying the nuke football around! I can only hope he has a nearby zookeeper. "No, George. Not that button".

I don't know how things can get any more chaotic. Really.
But do follow the HS's suggestion to buy duct tape. And all that.

[DoYouEverWonder]

50. Desperate men do desperate things

and this gang has killed before and they won't mind killing again if it will create a distraction from their crimes.

Hopefully Fitzgerald will hand down indictments soon, they we'll see what happens next.

[TwilightZone]

43. Targeting the POTUS with a tirade on live TV

seems to fit that description.

[TwilightZone]

56. Oh, wait. You forgot two:

5. Must have exactly the same opinion that I do on every issue.
6. Must use exactly the same words that I would have used to address every situation.

There are plenty of DUers for whom those seem to be the most important ones.

[SheilaT]

12. For what it's worth,

changing political parties so as to be a viable candidate is common. It goes in both directions.

Here in Kansas I know of candidates who switched from D to R because they knew they'd never win with the R after their name. I also know of one woman who switched from R to D so she could challenge the R incumbent in a U.S. House race. Didn't work, in no small part because she was a Republican in Democrat clothing and the voters saw through it.

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. On the local level the line between parties is much more blurred

I've worked on Task Forces and Committees with people from both sides. Many of them I now consider good friends, even though I still give them shit for being Repugs. Some of them I've even voted for. This is how the real world works.

[mhr]

2. I Am Not A Troll But Am Not A DLC Fan Either

I worked too hard last election to see it all lost by an ineffective Kerry campaign that did not fight the Swifties head on and did not challenge the stolen election.

'Nuff Said!

[ChowChowChow]

5. DITTO DITTO DITTO

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. So are you switching parties?

I wouldn't mind if there was a viable choice, but in the meantime we are stuck working with what we've got and we better start supporting the good ones.

This is the one difference between us and the repugs that hurts us. The repugs support each other no matter what and we can't wait to tear our own apart if they make even the smallest misstep. With support like this who needs enemies?

[rosesaylavee]

10. I am relatively new here and don't understand

why Dems bash Dems? Our division is what keeps us from winning so decisively that vote tampering has moved the margins slightly enough to give the victory to the Republicans.

If we hope to take 2006 back to the Dems we need to stick together - really together and with no backstabbing or sniping.

Get it together NOW.


edited for speling...

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. Thank you

and welcome to DU. We need more like you.

[emulatorloo]

16. welcome to DU!

:hi:

[tinfoilinfor2005]

37. Hmm, good question. Well, the general interpretation seems to be

that the republicans are of one mindset, most of them firmly entrenched in Stepford USA. And the democrats are individuals who have all come together under a big tent. I much prefer the latter, but I agree that we need to encourage unity...i.e. pick your battles wisely. I think that we have come a long way toward this goal by having organizational media voices such as DU and Air America Radio (and my favorite news show hosted by Jon Stewart). So we have to support and encourage their efforts loudly, and work in unity, as you suggest, to win a victory in 2006.

BTW, WELCOME!!! :)

[Why Syzygy]

32. Who tore down

Howard Dean? John Kerry. Talk about destroying 'our own'.

And since when do lo so many democrats stand up for our freedoms?

There are people working quietly behind the scenes to offer a real 'third' party option. And don't think they aren't.

[DoYouEverWonder]

35. Let me know when it's a reality

I'll be more then glad to consider their platform.

In the meantime, we have an emergency on our hands and since this '3rd party' doesn't even exist yet, it's a little hard to work with them.

[Why Syzygy]

39. That's the thing

It does exist. Look around you. It may not be fully organized, but oh yes it does exist.

I don't have a lot of detailed information regarding platform or anything else at this point. I don't know.
I talk to disgruntled Americans all the time though.
We want a win/win situation. No more George FUBAR politics.

This is our country, ya know?

[DoYouEverWonder]

45. What I see happening around us

actually transcends politics. Where it will take us, I'm not sure but we're not there yet. And in the meantime Bush still has control of the military and the nukes, not a good combination.

[Why Syzygy]

51. I Agree .. nt

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[rosesaylavee]

31. I not only voted for Kerry but traveled to a neighbor state

to work for his campaign as my state was decidedly blue.

I firmly believe that the election was stolen (again) and I don't blame him one iota for his(our)loss.

I would vote for him again in a heart beat as I think he is a good human being and an actual gawddamn leader.

[Gyre]

26. Amen.

We own absolutely nothing to centrist-RW democrats who can still claim dem party affiliation because of the Liebermans of the party.

THEY'VE WON NOTHING for the People in the last ten years. And they've provided serious cover to the republicans for their most serious transgressions. Fuck the DLC and the mainstream dem party!

Gyre

[DoYouEverWonder]

36. Got another option

at the moment?

BTW: Anyone seen Ralph Nader lately. Is he doing anything for the disaster relief. Just curious?

[Fatima]

57. That's right, abandon the center and rightists of the party

Not smart when you need numbers
Not smart when you need swing voters
Not smart when you need the votes of military and veterans
I am a "centrist," would you have me leave because I am not on the far left???

[RandiFan1290]

23. I will judge him on his actions

If he is active in returning the people to their city I will support him all the way.

If he is more interested in the condos, gated communities, and gentrification of New Orleans, he will be exposed as a fraud.

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. Yes,

by their deeds you shall know them. And by his deeds, Nagin has done pretty good so far. He evacuated an estimated 80% of the city and it appears the death toll is going to be much lower then anyone expected. So far, it looks like Nagin is all prayed up.

[Tower]

38. Their hive is being seriously poked- the little drones are freaking out.

That's how it always worked on other political boards I saw. The real hardcore Bush idiots came out in force when their hero looked bad.

[DoYouEverWonder]

42. Yes that does happen a lot

but a fair bit of what we are dealing with here is a problem from within. The bots just fuel the fire but then we pick up the charcoal and keep it going.

BTW: Welcome to DU :hi:

[NMDemDist2]

46. Please alert these posts. We mods can't be everywhere at once

thanks.

[DoYouEverWonder]

49. Often they walk a thin line

and they are from people who have been here a long time who don't realize which party's line they are promoting.

This isn't individuals bashing each other, that is different and the alert button is the most appropriate response, but this is about bashing the party leaders and other Dem politicos.

If we shut down all the Clinton, Kerry, Nagin or whoever bashing threads there wouldn't be much to talk about around here at times.

[mhr]

52. Sometimes Highlighting The Truth Is Painful

Our truth - DLC Dems have not served us well.

Their truth - Neocons are not conservative.

We both have demons to excise.

[cat_hair]

53. Just because people don't agree with you...

Does not necessarily make them "trolls and operatives".

It just means that they have a different opinion than yours.

[DoYouEverWonder]

54. There is a difference

and maybe when you've been here as long as I've been who will be able to tell them apart.

BTW: Welcome to DU :hi:

[cat_hair]

55. I've been here over a year and a half

Just because I don't post a lot doesn't mean that I havn't been reading.

Thank you for the welcome though.

[Fatima]

58. I don't even know why I post here at all

I am apparently not "left enough"

As you have seen in the past year and a half, there are a lot of "judge, jury and executioner" types here.

But I don't apologize for ****. I yam what I yam.

[Reciprocity]

59. Let me get this straight.

In an interview I saw last week on 60 minutes he said he apologized to Bush for making those remarks on the radio. Then took a shower on air force one. All was forgiven.

He has very good things to say about Bush on Meets the Press. Then on the same show, blames the democratic governor for the whole debacle. This guy is a total republican hack. A traitor to all the democrats that mistakenly voted for him, thinking he was a democrat.

[Moderator]

60. Locking

It is not appropriate to post threads like this. If you see a poster you believe is a troll, hit Alert.