Bush's Brain was in the Hospital with Kidney Stones When Katrina Struck!

[KoKo]

The "Time" magazine article that excerpts were snipped from here on DU this a.m. says that Rove was hospitalized for kidney stones and that's why maybe Bush was off message.

I never heard a word in the Media about Rove's kidney stones. Did any of You? It's funny that the Chimp couldn't let the word get out that his incompetence at spinning Katrina was because his "Brain" was incapacitated.

:rofl: Cover Up! Cover Up!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. the brain's pissing blood, and NOLA is pissed to death

[notadmblnd]

2. I've never know anyone to be hospitalized over kidney stones.

myself included. Dr. just gave me medicine and sent me home. It was very painful though and I do mean excruciating. I hope the little bastard suffered half as much as I did. I've heard that for men, it's the closest they'll ever come to knowing the experience of giving birth.

[barbaraann]

5. You're right.

n/t

[SoCalDem]

6. If you are well-connected and wealthy you CAN get

in-hospital help, and plenty of drugs to kill the pain.. ordinary folks get sent home with a scrip for 3 tylenol with codeine pills, a pee-strainer,and a hearty "Good Luck"..

[daninthemoon]

14. Bet he had plenty of limbaughs drug of choice. felt no pain.

[Princess Turandot]

45. Definitely...

I have known a few people hospitalized waiting for a kidney stone to pass, sometimes if they are trying to decide whether to intervene surgically or not.

[eleny]

8. I know someone hospitalized for surgery to remove kidney stones

It was quite an ordeal. She was out of work for a few weeks. So, it's possible. Just an fyi.

[belle]

20. Likewise. If it cheers you up any, it's apparently very, very painful.

[eleny]

42. No cheer for me - were you responding to the original poster?

[dsc]

10. my dad was

though that was in the 1970's so it was a different time.

[cynatnite]

12. I've known a few people, but their health wasn't the greatest either n/t

[Ms. Toad]

15. My spouse was,

and the hospitalization included surgery to blast the stone into smaller pieces. Depending on where the stones lodge, hospitalization and/or surgery may be required.

[Cleita]

19. We little people don't get preferential treatment. These

guys get to go to the hospital for paper cuts if they want to. I was disgusted that Strom Thurmond was living at Walter Reed Hospital when he wasn't attending sessions in Congress no doubt on the taxpayers dime. Which one of us would have been allowed to spend the night in the hospital, with all the medicine and high tech equipment one might need, so we could drag our octegenarian body out in the world the next day?

[Eurobabe]

29. We need Dancing Bear to set you straight

he was hospitalized for stones. It was awful. I had one in 2001, and wouldn't ever wish them on my worst enemy EXCEPT KKKarl, Cheney or Bu$h!

Bwahhaahhhah!

[notadmblnd]

39. I didn't say it wasn't possible

I said I never knew anyone hospitalized, my own experience with stones included.

[bicentennial_baby]

33. uh, my dad

more than once

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. Wasn't he with Cheney for a photo op

at the WH when W returned to DC?

Too bad about the stones Karl, couldn't happen to a better person.

[aquart]

4. I hear kidney stones hurt like hell.

They don't equal the pain and suffering of the people of New Orleans, however. But it's a start.

Dear Karl: May the evil you do come back to you, from every place it has gone, from every one it has harmed.

[butchcjg]

7. i've had stones

I'm a female...

I've had stones 3 times (!!!)...
Had to make a trip to the ER all 3 times, because the vomiting and pain associated with them were so intense...had to have an IV, etc b/c I had dehydrated myself with the vomiting.

2nd time, had to have a surgery - so I was hospitalized for a day.

It's a real bitch and dire pain...

Oh, poor poor Karl. (I'm sure he fared much better in the hospital than I did, since I had no insurance and no money...I kept telling them "I've had these before, I know they're kidney stones. I can't afford other tests, so do that one first!"...yet they didnt listen!)

[Eurobabe]

30. We're a special club, DU stone people

but KKKarl can't join. He can just SUFFER!!

[nine23]

36. Ha! That's hilarious: "DU stone people" or "DU stoners club"...

But what about my active membership in THAT OTHER "DU stoners club"?:)

[Maru Kitteh]

43. Try cutting back on your meat consumption or better yet go veg

What can I do to avoid more stones?
Drink more water. Try to drink 12 full glasses of water a day. Drinking lots of water helps to flush away the substances that form stones in the kidneys.

You can also drink ginger ale, lemon-lime sodas, and fruit juices. But water is best. Limit your coffee, tea, and cola to one or two cups a day because the caffeine may cause you to lose fluid too quickly.

Your doctor may ask you to eat more of some foods and to cut back on other foods. For example, if you have a uric acid stone, your doctor may ask you to eat less meat, because meat breaks down to make uric acid.

The doctor may give you medicines to prevent calcium and uric acid stones.

http://kidney.niddk.nih.gov/kudiseases/pubs/stones_ez/

[bluedawg12]

9. Without a brain the @ss faltered n/t

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

11. Staghorn calculi would explain the hospital stay

For those that don't know what they are, staghorn calculi are very large stones that resemble deer horns (hence the name 'staghorn) on X-ray. Percutaneous nephrolithotomy or lithotripsy is used where a small incision is made, the stones are broken up and removed. Usually requires a stay in the hospital of 2-3 days.

HOPE IT HURT LIKE HELL, TURDBLOSSOM...AND EVEN MORE PAINFUL WATCHING YOUR BOY SCREW UP

[librechik]

17. hmmm, maybe there is a god n/t

[barbaraann]

13. So, every high-ranking Bush official had a newsmaking alibi

for Katrina--Condi attending Spamalot, Cheney mansion-shopping, etc.

:tinfoilhat:

[Peace Patriot]

38. Yeah, it's quite a list...

Bush: eating cake with McCain, guitar playing and raising millions at posh "have's" fundraisers...

Cheney: 'gone fishing' in Wyoming (so they said), but really, estate shopping; didn't emerge from his rathole until Halliburton got the first contract...

Rice: shopping for $2000 shoes in New York (destroying Iraq wasn't enough for this social climber; had to add the Gulf coast to her Kali necklace, via malignant neglect)...

Rumsfeld: attending Padres baseball game...while ordering the bombing of Iraqi villages near the Syrian border; very busy guy...

All of them having fun, except Karl Rove. (--if you believe this load of crap story.)

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I think something went down. Maybe this: The White House is in disarray over the Treasongate indictments (pending), divided between the indictable and the unindictable, and/or pro-Bush vs. pro-Cheney. Vicious in-fighting going on. Cheney/Rove (the indictable faction) have the goods on Bush, and in exchange for not ratting on Bush in Treasongate, extracted a promise of big profits in New Orleans, consisting of clearing out the riffraff quickly, the stand-down of FEMA, and federalization and martial law, for total control of the 'reconstruction.' Bush was ordered to accomplish this--but Gov. Blanco and LA Nat'l Guard Honore balked. Bush was using the lives and welfare of Blanco's and Honore's people for extortion. No martial law, no aid. But he didn't fully succeed--and it was a P.R. disaster. Meanwhile, other pressures were put on him--namely, the withdrawal of his normal supports--those who drug him, program him and arrange his highly managed public appearances.

And, boy, did he flounder, out there on his own. Dimwitted, no leadership skills, no talent of any kind, no understanding of people or government--he entirely blew it. Got caught on tape eating cake, for godssakes! (I kept wondering how his handlers let that happen!) We also saw Daddy Bush and Clinton intervene, and stand behind Bush Jr. in a press meet. (I suspect this was aimed at Cheney, to identify legitimacy as residing with Bush Jr.)

As soon as Halliburton, Bechtel, Fluor & buds started getting the contracts, out comes Cheney, and Bush's normal supports get back in gear (the spin machine, which had seemed to falter badly--but which, in truth, had been deliberately withdrawn--is re-started).

I'm not saying Bush is a good guy. I'm just saying he's too stupid to have designed any of this, and is being used, highly manipulated and blackmailed.

And this spin that Rove was in the hospital certainly goes some way to underscore my little theory. Bush's normal supports being withdrawn was real obvious to a lot of people, and needed a cover story. This is it.

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I may not have the sides exactly right. It may be Rove who went on strike--because he and Libby may be what stands between Cheney/Bush and Treasongate indictments--and so, he left both of them (the regime) out there twisting in the wind, to get some kind of protection for himself (presidential pardon?). And Cheney (who I think is Bush's puppetmaster on gov't policy) really just wasn't interested in the disaster or its spin, until the money started flowing--then uncoiled from his private pursuits to lend a limp hand to the spin and to insure the most profitable deals for Halliburton et al.

As I said, SOMETHING went down. Backstabbings, poisonings, blackmail, extortion. These are gangsters, you know. Real bad ones.

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The answer to the stink in Washington DC is election reform, if you're interested in what I think the answer is. (Paper ballots, hand -counted at the precinct level. Throw Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor'--or a Louisiana levee. Now!)

[barbaraann]

41. Hmmm...

You make a lot of good points and I could not agree with you more about the voting process.

The alibis seem to be just a little too good and remind me of some Columbo and Perry Mason story lines.

[Giant Robot]

16. Great, I have something in common with Rove!

I haven't been hospitalized yet, but it was coming close one time. For me, it was dependant on the size of the stone and whether I could reasonably pass it or not. I did. It sucked. And for what it's worth, my doctors have told me that in surveying women who have given birth and had kidney stones, that the stones are more painful. I'm not saying this isn't a cover up or anything, just saying its possible.

[kskiska]

18. He ate one "eggie" too many. n/t

[SledDriver]

21. Kidney stones hurt like hell

I hope the prick suffered.

But wait, does this mean that the reason W took so long to respond to Katrina was because KKKarl was incapacitated? I thought W was our court-appointed pResident. I know they refer to Rove as Bush's "brain", but is * so paralyzed by his own incompetence that he has to wait for turdblossom to tell him what to do? I don't remember seeing ROVE/CHENEY on the ballot. No one elected (or in this case appointed) Rove as Commander in Chief...

WHO IS RUNNING THIS COUNTRY? :hide:

[West Coast Democrat]

22. Are kidney stones ever fatal?

Is it at all possible?

[goclark]

23. My mom is in her 80's

and she has a tiny stone.
What can they do for her?

The dr. said he did not want to do a procedure if she can pass it naturally.

Will it hurt her? : (

[QC]

26. If not treated,

they can block you up, and yes, that will kill you.

[Eurobabe]

31. backs up the kidney, can cause renal failure

[nine23]

24. Since this has turned into a kidney stone thread, he's MY story.

I'm what's known as a kidney stone *manufacturer*. I get a big one - LIKE CLOCKWORK - every decade. My first one was in my late teens, my second in my twenties, and I'm due for another biggie anytime now (I can actually feel it slowly "growing", starting with mild discomfort and progressing from there...)

It always transpires thusly: Pain gets so excruciatingly bad, I have go to the ER. Xrays are taken, and invariably a Dr. Hibbert-type doc will read the xrays and say : "he he...that's a big one!". I'm then given a script for demerol and/or T3's, then booked for ESWL (Extra-corporeal Shock Wave Lithotrypsy, a bath tub-like machine that "smashes" the stone with shock waves) within 3-4 days. From there I'm discharged from the ER to walk around whacked on demerol for a few days while awaiting the procedure (I actually LOVE that part). Then, they smash it, and it's all over for another decade.

[Giant Robot]

25. Manufacturer?

Hell I have 3-4 stones in me right now. Just hanging out. No one wants to do anything about them since they are not moving, not growing, and not obstructing anything. I am the kidney stone assembly line! Oh, and Vicodin is my friend too.

And kidney stones can cause severe difficulties if they block the kidney. If the kidney is blocked up for a while it will suffer hydro necrosis and die off. This may cause some problems for your mother if it isn't watched, I think. But I'm not a doc, just been there done that. Hope that helps some.

[nine23]

34. Yo, brother "Manufacturer"...

Why don't you have your doc smash 'em up via ESWL? Even if they're benign, "just hanging out", they're still kind of unnatural, ie. not supposed to be there.

My procedures are so routine (as I mentioned, every decade like clockwork), I actually look forward to the free demerol, the free jello and tuna sandwiches in day surgery, and the cute nurses paying close attention to my groin area (if only for the day!).

But the real plus is that they're "gone" 'til next time.

[Giant Robot]

37. My urologist never seemed to want to do anything

about them, as I seem to pass them well. I guess I am blessed with that much anyway. And to be honest, the less time I spend in a hospital or doctor's office, the happier I am.

[goclark]

46. My mom's urologist said the same thing

Her kidney stone is very tiny.

Since she is 80+ he said that she should be able to pass it naturally.

I just don't want her in pain.

All he said was to call him if we see "a lot of blood." That was scary.

Do you think she will be in pain?

[Eurobabe]

32. Best 45 min. of my life, on the ESWL table with

Versed IV drip. I had a stone in 2001 and hope to never repeat. Would rather have my daughters again, natural childbirth than that damn 4mm stone.

[daninthemoon]

27. Yeah, kidney stones hurt like hell. I've had them twice. BUT, don't

doubt that rove had all the drugs he could get to stopthe pain. Just ask rush.

[Rainscents]

28. I've never had Kidney stone, however, I did have kidney and bladder

infection together... OGM, the pain from hell! I had to craw on the floor to get to the phone and to get help!

[meg]

35. here's a link

Time
And as if the West Wing were suddenly snakebit, his franchise player, senior adviser and deputy chief of staff, Karl Rove, was on the disabled list for part of last week, working from home after being briefly hospitalized with painful kidney stones.

[Peace Patriot]

40. Urgent! Senate committee wants Katrina input - deadline TODAY 9/11

The Senate H.E.L.P. Committee (Health, Education, Labor and Pensions) has been requesting input on Katrina reconstruction. The deadline was changed from Friday 9/9 to Monday, 9/12 (but presume 9/11, by the end of today) to allow more input. I don't know if DUers are aware of this. It's a great opportunity to help influence the treatment of survivors and the fate of the Gulf coast.

The email for public input is listed below. These emails are going to start being reviewed by committee staff tomorrow (Mon, 9/12). I heard about this on a CNN radio rebroadcast of the Senate H.E.L.P. Committee roundtable (of disaster experts) on 9/8, but could not get this posted until now.

Email: [e-mail]
Senate H.E.L.P. website: http://help.senate.gov /
(The ranking Democrat is Sen. Edward Kennedy.)

My input to the committee is at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4735625

[KoKo]

44. Not much notice for this...what in the world can one say?

I scanned your post and was at a loss for words..:shrug:

[applegrove]

47. So I guess Karl is the only one in the WH who pays any attention

to the news on TV.