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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:42 PM
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Look at this cartoon and tell me
wat is wrong with it? It tells us that if the passengers were armed the terrorists would never hijack the planes, but the cartoonist a libertarian makes one major mistake. Namely that if the passengers were able to bring guns into a plane then the terrorists certainly do it too. Me thinks Libertarians/conservatives are not really smart!!!
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:44 PM
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1. Does this jerkoff think the people in NO should have their guns too?
I'd love to hear the answer to that.

Your point is of course correct...this cartoon just makes me want to :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: until my eyes hurt!
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:45 PM
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2. Instead, one plane PER WEEK would go down because of "air rage"
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:54 PM
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11. Exactly!
I'm sick of this whole bullshit meme about how if everyone just had guns, no one would ever be hurt by the bad guys with guns again. That's total bullshit. And I don't WANT to live in a country where everyone has guns everywhere, what total chaos that would be. People whip out their guns at the slightest hint of insult or provocation nowadays.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:46 PM
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3. If this were the case, then my fear of flying would truly be justified n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:47 PM
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4. Wow.. I wonder how long a sieve could remain airborne
:)
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:48 PM
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5. that is disgusting
what has happened to the mentality of this country, always on the violent defensive,paranoid,sick, racist.
that had to come from wing nut paper...you know the right is just not funny, just mean.
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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:49 PM
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6. This is incredibly stupid!
The terrorists strongest weapon is their willingness to die.

They KNOW they are going to die...so why would they be shaking in their boots?

If all those people shot their guns, they'd take each other out and put enough holes in the plane to take it down. Stupid.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:53 PM
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9. You're so right! They KNEW they were going to die, WTF would they care
if they were shot?

I didn't even think of that at first, you're right. Incredibly stupid.
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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:08 PM
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19. A more accurate cartoon...
...would have the terrorists looking at each other and saying "Gee...this is a lot easier than I thought it would be."
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:58 PM
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15. I am old enough to remember
All In The Family, an episode,...there were hijackings going on at the time supposebly,...
Archie does an opinion piece on TV, what he said is all passengers getting on planes should be armed to the teeth.Weapons should be distributed to those boarding the plane.
It was hilarious because the idea was so ridiculous
Today this is how one half of the country thinks. So sad
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:50 PM
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7. Air Rage with drunks with guns
:grr:
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:52 PM
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8. in pressurized high-altitude high-velocity aircraft... DUH
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:53 PM
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10. I read somewhere that a small hole is enough
to make the plane crash.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:55 PM
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12. Yep. That cartoon is bullshit.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:57 PM
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13. Of course it's assumed ,
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 03:00 PM by agincourt
that any of the passangers would have a gun. More not so clever RW distortion. Even if the passangers have guns, all the terrorist has to do is hold a gun to a stewardresses head, and they probably won't fire. Unless of course the government would have told us before hand of aircraft being used for suicide bombing.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:57 PM
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14. If everyone could bring guns on planes
Why would the hijackers bother with box-cutters?

Please tell me the cartoonist is not this stupid?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:26 PM
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22. thank you
i was waiting for someone to mention that
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:01 PM
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16. Gee so many things wrong with it
1. i s this guy saying we should have passengers carrying guns onto planes? One bullet hole through the plane and everybody dies. I doubt that would bother a terrorist trying to do a SUICIDE run.

2. If the other passengers had guns, why couldn't the terrorists have gotton guns too? Guns are only effective if you get yours out FIRST.

Just another gun nut living in fantasy land...thinking all problems can be solved by killing enough people (gee, what a coinka-dinky..that's hwo Al queda thinsk too)
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:09 PM
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20. youre right what this cartoonist tries
to say is absolutely wrong.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:04 PM
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17. Irrational, isn't it?
Now--I will argue that a few box knives could never have withstood a concerted attack by citizens actually TRAINED to defend themselves. Believe it or not, a skilled person with a rolled up magazine could have disabled one of these jokers in seconds.

There is some truth, I think, to the notion that an armed society is a polite society--if the other side of the coin is the belief that taking another life in anything but defense of life is absolutely wrong. Without that abiding belief, arming everyone is a recipe for disaster.

How's THIS for a pre-requisite for owning a gun?

"To obtain a firearm, one must first show skill and aptitude in other methods of self-defense, armed and unarmed, and have demonstrated a strong moral resistence to unnecessary acts of violence."

You could waive this in particular circumstances for the disabled...but requiring it of able-bodied adults would generally insure that those who had guns wouldn't consider (or need to consider) using them as a first resort.

The USMC recommends that marines take off-base martial arts instruction because they'd discovered that such training tends to make a marine less likely to engage in brawling and other destructive behavior.

Of course, I've been an advocate of near-universal self-defense training most of my life.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:05 PM
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18. A plane is like a flying cocktail lounge...
You can't take guns into a bar. You can't take guns on the plane.
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Graf Orlok Donating Member (441 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:15 PM
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21. This is one of the dumbest cartoons I've ever seen...
Obviously the artist of the cartoon doesn't know basic physics...if a bullet hole were blown into the side of the airplane, the plane would lose pressure and would go down, most likely killing everyone.

And if all the passenger had guns, the terrorists would have them too...

God. Where does this guy get his "logic" from??? IDIOT!
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:06 PM
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23. travelling

I'm an Australian grandmother who likes to travel where I want, when I want, alone. Over the years, I have encountered troublemakers more times than I remember; people attacking me, people whose attacks on other people I've interfered with and prevented, and people who had just gone crazy and were out to kill everyone. The attackers in all these cases have been armed, mostly with knives, one with a steel mallet. As none had guns, the fighting abilities I picked up from a rough childhood have been enough for me to not only protect myself, but to protect others too. However if people were routinely carrying guns, things would be different.

One thing you can be sure of, the bad guy will shoot first. He initiates, you then have to decide whether or not you should respond. Amd if the attacker has a gun, he can kill you before you even see him, let alone shoot back.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:10 PM
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24. typical idiot libertarian
failure to think things through
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:33 PM
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25. Guns are just adult toys
Brainless, lethal, destructive adult toys. I don't believe anyone who says they have a gun for "protection".
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:13 PM
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26. talk about
"circular firing squads"!
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:15 PM
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27. OK, who was
the Republican Congressman that tried to take a loaded Glock 9mm onto a plane?

Somebody help me here.
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