Is the General DU Consensus Pro-Impeachment or Anti-Impeachment?

[Stinky Bushes]

Wondering if you all could clear this up. I'm a bit flustered right now, because I spent so much time last week calling Congress and demanding impeachment proceedings move forward against Bush and his entire Administration. I believe it is a worthy cause because God help us if we have another catastrophe - we'd all be out on our butts with no leadership and no help for days.

I also called on Republican congresspeople to move forward on impeachment proceedings as well, with the notion that if enough people hassled the majority Republicans, the political pressure would be too great to bear and they'd have to take action to save their butts and the Republican party at large.

Now I'm hearing from some here on the DU that it can't be done. Others are saying it shouldn't be done. And now I'm left to wonder, was all my fervent calling in vain? If we don't hold Bush accountable, who will? And if we don't take decisive action now, how much more will we see our freedoms taken away and our Constitution shredded?

If you guys have some guidance here, I'd appreciate it. I just don't know what the heck to do anymore, and I most certainly don't want to sit around and do nothing at all.

[RagingInMiami]

1. You should start a poll for such questions

I would bet it's pro-impeachment.

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. SB doesn't have a star though. Can't start polls

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[Melodybe]

It better be pro-impeachment or DU is filled with dummies

These people are too dangerous to keep in power.

[jasmeel]

2. Impeachment is the motivation behind everything I do. I just think

it will be very difficult to get with the current control by all aspects of the govt by repubs. So there's desire and reality that are competing here! When in doubt - scream for impeachment!!

[Stinky Bushes]

9. as I mentioned before,

if we exert enough political pressure on the Republicans, they will start to wake up and find that their party is in deep trouble and will cave to public opinion and impeach Bush.

This is why I say it is critical to focus on really letting the Repubs have it via calling/Emailing them in Congress and demanding Bush's impeachment.

Really folks. I believe the time is now. We have no time to waste.

[RallyInDC]

22. look at these numbers.....and without voting machines...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9280375/site/newsweek/page/2

these numbers are terrible, if we force this down congress' throught, they will be shamed into starting impeachment proceedings!!!

who cares who gets the seat right now!??? we can't afford waiting any longer to 2006!

i bet that the new president may not be much better, but we can't have a lunatic running things anymore....its just not possible! if we move now it might be possible for everyone to elect either a moderate repub or dem to be president and go after the crooks!!

[Pirate Smile]

3. I'm Pro. If it happens, it wouldn't be over quickly or even necessarily

before 2006. Get the wheels moving. This country can't live with another 3 1/2 years of this gang.

[PowerToThePeople]

5. Read my icon.. n/t

[cornermouse]

6. Sing along time.

Im-peachment in the morning.
Im-peachment in the evening.
Im-peachment about suppertime.
Let's have an impeachment and send George Bush back home.

[Blue_In_AK]

7. I'm with you...

I'd like to see the entire administration impeached. They have ALL committed crimes against our country and against humanity as a whole.

[still_one]

8. The best way is for the Democrats to take back Congress

then impeach

[Stinky Bushes]

13. That may or may not happen...

but I don't think we have any time to waste. We need accountability. And we need a leader who can actually lead and protect the people.

[snippy]

18. How would impeachment lead to such a leader?

The line of succession is filled with republicans who want to exploit the American people just as much as Bush does, if not more.

[RallyInDC]

10. Mine is not anti-impeachment. I support it right away.

I mean this argument about 2006 is ludicrous......these maniacs are capable of ANYTHING before 2006, and there is equal possibility of more cities being destroyed.....

our only choice is to force impeachment proceedings now, and get them started right away. do not wait, force them now by shaming the republicans into action and forcing the democrats to fight

a good way to do this is to continually point out their failures, and the fact these are high crimes and misdemeanors and they are all being seen as accomplices

good idea is to take action now...

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,1567081,00.html

they are already investigating the contracts, why the hell not begin impeachments right away? and oh yeah....ALL of the criminals would be wiped clean in this, not just one or two...

[longship]

11. I've turned the corner on this.

I've been for impeachment since 2000. But I've hedged on it for all the usual reasons of which we are all aware.

No longer. Katrina has shown us all that it's not just ideology driving the bus. It's a total incompetence which is far more pervasive than even the most pessimistic of us could have imagined. When you extend the same incompetence into other crucial areas, like global affairs, and avoiding blowing ourselves up, it becomes downright scary to consider the possible repercussions.

I now think that it is incumbent on us to all get on the impeachment bandwagon and drive it forward with all due dispatch before these knuckleheads destroy us all. I am very, very afraid of what might happen if we drop the ball on this. No matter how scary impeachment is at this time, we all now know the shear depths of depravity in this administration. We need to now act like patriots and push this thing forward. We've run out of time to consider other courses.
:scared:

[Double T]

12. IMMEDIATE IMPEACHMENT

[pepperlove]

38. Yep

:kick:

[snippy]

14. Probably one or the other. But maybe not.

I am aware of many DUers who favor impeachment and many others who do not. Most DUers do not require a consensus to form their own opinion, reach their own conclusion, or make their own decision on impeachment or on anything else. Unlike the republican party, neither blind loyalty nor strict obedience are required here.

[kahleefornia]

15. Pro-Impeachment

two things - even if it didn't "work", the proceedings would still be a good thing. And, so what if it makes Cheney president? It couldn't get any worse. At least *something* would have been accomplished.

Your work was absolutely not in vain. GOod for you for taking action.

[MrBenchley]

16. Pro-impeachment here...

Yeah, it probably can't be done with the goon squad currently clogging the aisles of Congress...but it will be great to try to force the issue and hear Republican incumbents explain why criminally negligent homicide, corruption and incompetence AREN'T impeachable offenses while a hum job WAS.

[202 456]

17. I'm Pro-Impeachment and Pro-Resignation

[Justyce]

19. Pro-impeachment and/or

pro-resignation and/or pro-imprisonment... I would prefer imprisonment, but I won't be picky & will settle for any combination of these...

[Walt Starr]

20. Youd stand a better chance of sending a man to the moon in three days.

Impeachment WILL NOT HAPPEN in the 109th Congress.

Imeachment hearings WILL NOT EVEN BE CONSIDERED in the 109th Congress.

That's the reality of the world we live in. The Congress is controlled by the Republicans and there is no way in hell they will impeach. That is the political reality of the nation we live in. ALL Republicans are evil and will stand with *.

Face reality and move towards a Democratic Majority in both houses come next November. That is the only way to institute change.

I see you.

Voting for a Republican at any time in your life contributed to this problem. All who voted for Bush, even only once, have blood on their enitre bodies (there's too much blood just for the hands).

[Stinky Bushes]

30. I feel so strongly abou this...

We have no time to waste! Please understand that our national security and safety is at risk! Besides, impeachment doesn't happen overnight and would probably take up until the 2006 elections anyhow. Don't you see, Bush is SO SMUG because he thinks he's safe. Do you want him to believe that?

Maybe I need to SHOUT this in another thread...but I STILL BELIEVE it can be accomplished...if only we exert enough peaceful political pressure on the Republicans on a daily basis...hassle the MSM about it...

Bush's ratings are at an all time low...the pressure is on...the time to act is NOW!!

I think what we need is a MASSIVE mobilization of people to agree in a concerted, organized effort to bombard congressional Republicans with demands for impeachment. Come on, let's get with it and rid the WH of this joker! Remember, even if Cheney is the new pres, impeachment looks very very bad for a political party and would help to swing the government towards Democratic rule.

Some good Repubs to target: Senator Collins, Senator Arlen Spector, Senator John McCain (for McCain you can tell him you won't vote for him until you see accountability & Bush impeached), and maybe Senator Lindsey Graham (not sure about him though).

It makes sense...let's do it!

[RallyInDC]

33. lindsay graham isn't in their back pocket....

he led the investigation into the pentagon.....waited until that nazi pentagon director was fired. he's pro-impeachment. lots of repubs falling away.....possible opening to remove delay immediately....its up to the DEMOCRATS to get out there and take no prisoners again...

[WhiteTara]

34. Sept 24 demonstration will have many people there

with impeachment on their minds. Join us. Oh, and BTW, welcome to DU StinkyBushes :hi:

[lpbk2713]

21. I say do it.

The repubs are in dire need of payback big time.

[RallyInDC]

24. this shames their name into the dirt....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9280375/site/newsweek/page/2

they can be shamed into completely abandoning them, and starting impeachment proceedings. with the public confidence this low, with no hope of voting machines in most of these repubs districts, they can and must act....

have to act to save them especially their family, if another city is destroyed!!!! WE GOTTA DO THIS NOW!!!!! 2006 is waiting too late!

[bowens43]

29. How?

Only the house can impeach. It's controlled by republicans.

[RallyInDC]

32. not as hard as you realize.....

get the dems in complete fighting mode, and shame the repubs into action....

force tom delay out since he's about to be convicted of a crime anyhow, so the man no longer decides things. put someone else in delay's seat and move on with impeachment.

tell hastert, the man who's been taking bribes to not come to session or just don't tell him you're holding it and have a different speaker of the house.....force hastert to resign later after sibel edmonds releases the evidence....

[Blue_Roses]

40. Okay, reality here

"force tom delay out...

with all due respect...really...this has been something we have been trying to do for years. I would love to see him held accountable for all his dirty deals, but it's gonna take the winds of change for that to happen. I know and believe it will-just not soon enough.

[RallyInDC]

44. umm you're very defeatist.....

they just indicted his partner and his political firm.....prosecutors are going after his home district now and him...

[Blue_Roses]

46. when I see a conviction

then you can call me a defeatist...

[lpbk2713]

43. There must be a few repubs with something close to a conscience

Enough to swing a majority vote. Others could be shamed into action with the clamor of their constituents.

[mirandaod]

23. Proimpeachment, here -

But only if and when we win back the majority of the House in 2006. If by some miracle we could pull off an impeachment now of Bush & Cheney, we'd be stuck with Hastert. We need a Democratic Speaker of the House.

[mandyky]

25. I WAS pro-impeachment but now am unsure

Yes he needs to go, but I think maybe America may need to feel this for a year or so to understand what he has done. I don't think the GOP Congress will do it, so we have to wait until the 06 elections.

What the Democratic Party needs to do is clean it's own house, and campaign on the corruptness of the GOP. Every chance we get.

[RallyInDC]

26. if you wait or put things off for politicial convenience.....

....there may not be many good american cities left, not even los angelas....that's how insane the thugs are. it is not worth the price.....the only option is to force them out now at every turn.....

and retire dennis hastert....

[Old and In the Way]

27. A vote for impeachment before 2006

Get Republicans on the record that they are pro-incompentence, anti-American for supporting this misadministration.

[bowens43]

28. Pro of course but it's not going to happen

with a republican House. It's just not possible. We need to win big in 2006 before it becomes even a remote possibility. Republicans will NEVER impeach one of their own.

If you don't want to sit around doing nothing then get involved in the 2006 campaigns.

[Stinky Bushes]

36. But you see,

impeachment or even the move towards it implies that the party has done someting wrong, and it creates the conditions for the Dems to win in '06. Without this pressure, unfortunately I can see the Repubs winning again in '06 easily. We need something major to turn public opinion, and obviously Katrina really hasn't done that. And when the Dems cry foul, the Repubs only point fingers and say, "You guys are playing politics."

The Dems will never win in '06 without something HUGE to turn public sentiment against the Repubs. We need to keep pressing for impeachment to turn that public sentiment. Even though it many not happen, we may be able to expose some Bush lies and give 'em enough bad press to make the nation wake up to the lying, theiving party they are.

Again I think that if we bombard the Republican Congress with demands for impeachment it could turn that public opinion in favor of the Dems and possibly result in actual impeachment.

Let's do it. Starting tomorrow.

[RallyInDC]

45. lets do it starting.....now.

and before they do anything else like try to takeover louisiana with some voting machines.....fight them back on every front and knock them out..

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. Pro. Criminals should be prosecuted. Playing politics is unethical.

[Blue_Roses]

35. honestly, impeachment

right now isn't gonna happen. For one thing, the republicans have control of the house and senate. That for starters is the what makes this very improbable. Secondly, to start impeachment hearings would only energize the republicans--even in this fiasco in NO.

They may be "disappointed" in his leadership, but they still support him. When Clinton went through this, we all rallied around him--rightfully so--even though many were pissed (me included) and disappointed. I think watching Bush self-destruct on his own--even though many are affected--is the only way that we can get the support of those who are desperately looking for new leadership.

[WiseButAngrySara]

37. You're certainly asking a lot of 'leading' questions for a former freeper.

Haven't you figured out in your own mind on these issues? How do I know you're not just getting info for the likes of Rush Windbag, and other RW hate groups, the former whom I just accidentally heard (car radio)say that "the crowds were booing" when (?name forgotten; the rap star who made the negative comment re B*) made his remark, but the booing was intentionally edited out. And to go from a freeper status, to posting all sorts of op eds, makes me wonder if you have other intents yourself. Sorry, but the RW HATES people with compassion; I'm curious as to your true motives here.

[Stinky Bushes]

39. I'll probably post my "ex-freeper" story tomorrow

but be assured that I am no troll or whatever. Take a look at my posts above - I don't think a freeper would dare to post such things.

Lurking here for awhile I assume that "freeper" means one who associates him/herself with the Free Republic Republican philosophy, but not necessarily a card-carrying, paying member of the Free Republic group. I was never technically a part of the Free Republican group and actually have never seen their website. But back in 2000, I did in fact join in on a couple of their protests during the election fiasco.

More to come on that later.

[OregonBlue]

47. Why not now? Is there something cloak and dagger we can't know about?

[WiseButAngrySara]

49. I have this weird feeling that he's collecting info for someone other than

his own personal curiosity...which is why I'm not going to respond to the poll that he had soomeone else post for him....Gut feeling.

[OregonBlue]

51. Yah, that stuff about more to come later is to tin foil hat that I

find it hard to trust this person. Like I keep saying, if anyone on this board gets any truly hardcore damning information, please do not post here. Get it to someone in Congress that you can trust!!

[MrSlayer]

41. I'm all for impeachment but it will never happen.

I hate to be so pessimistic but I don't see these guys ever being impeached or held accountable for anything. They are going to get away with this and more in the next three years and we're just going to have to take it. Personally I think the game is over for good. They own everything from the Congress and courts to the media to the voting machines and vote counters. The bad guys won and it's the fault of those who are supposed to be on our side.

[Sapphire Blue]

42. PRO... keep calling & keep writing...

The citizens of this country need to voice a demand for impeachment... an increasing demand... loud & clear. Of course, the repub-led Congress will continue to ignore the constituents that they have been elected to represent, and a Dem majority will be elected in 2006... and the impeachment will begin. Impeach, indict, and imprison the entire bush administration.

President Pelosi in 2007!

[Silverhair]

48. On impeachment: Desireable? YES. Will it happen? NO.

I would like to be 21 again, but it ain't gonna happen. Impeachment with the current congress just isn't going to happen.

You can write all the letters that you want, but Republican Representatives will know that they are letters from an angry leftist who wouldn't vote Republican no matter what that Representative did, and will then ignore them.

Would you ever vote Republican? Would any of us? NO. And they know that. So why should they pay any attention to us?

Face the facts. We at DU have ZERO influence over Republicans.

[Burning Water]

50. You go ahead.

I don't think impeachment has a chance, myself, even if the Democrats take back the House. I frankly think the energy could be better used to register voters, educate them, etc. But I could be wrong. Anyway,if it'll help get the message out, and make you feel you are doing something to bring down the regime, then full steam ahead. We've got to try everything we can. Some of it will be useless, but something might work.

For me, I am looking to 2006 and 2008. That's when the American people speak.

[RallyInDC]

52. if we all get behind it....and press it nonstop....

it has a very high chance of happening....thats why I think topics like this should remain on the front page....its something that has to be done and initiated immediately, even if you can't impeach them all....it still has to be done....so everyone hears and knows, and get ready to do it for real if they don't resign.....

[Technowitch]

53. Locking

The original poster has been banned.

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