Cheney and Hastert becoming president? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OKJackson]

Some people have expressed fear that if we impeach Bush, Cheney or Hastert will become president.

No.

The amount of evidence that would need to be brought forth to impeach Bush would also result in Cheney being removed from office since he was in most if not all of the plans committing crimes as well.

Hastert?

The guy who is tied to Abramoff, spat on New Orleans twice and is having problems out the ying yang? You think the Republicans would impeach Bush and put that dude in? If they have impeached Bush, then they have cut their arm off to be rid of a deadly tumor, metaphorically speaking. They wouldn't want to put a tumor in the other arm.

In summary, not a chance.

Please people, stop panicking. Stop trying to show your enemy mercy at the last minute. Look at the bodies floating down Canal Street today... that could be you.

Never show mercy to someone who has never and will never show it to you.

Press forward and let's get these creeps out of office *NOW*.

Screw all the crap talk about after the 2006 election.

Screw all this crap about we need a new campaign and a happier facea and the DLC is just so right!

No.

They're 100% off target.

Impeach Bush now, not later.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. I am with you

and the meme has to be created, every letter sent has to have a demand for impeachment

[babylonsister]

2. OK, Jackson! And welcome!

FWIW, I agree. The whole lot of them messed up royally, and not just with Katrina; they should pay for it.

[liberalpress]

3. A little thing we like to call the Constitution spells it out

If Bush is impeached, Cheney is Pres

If Both are impeached Hastert is Pres.

If all three are impeached the President Pro Tem of the Senate is Pres.

Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska is the current President pro tempore of the Senate.

We ain't no better off

[OKJackson]

32. Do you really think that we won't be better off...

...if Bush and Cheney go, all hell has broken loose and no one trusts the Republican party as the word of god anymore.

If Hastert goes, Delay is gone and these guys are probably gone as well: Frist, Delay, Freeh(sp). And with all the talk about Rove being Bush's brain do you think their key propagandist is staying anywhere in power? You'd have better luck finding Satan in ice skates.

Understand, there is going to be such a public backlash against the Republicans that none of the remaining ones will have the courage to do what has been done to you in the last decade or so. They are going to be very paranoid, cautious and they are going to put quite a bit of time into re-examining their position.

In short.

Don't sweat it.

If we get Bush, Cheney goes "automatically" and the Republicans are screwed. So don't let the other pugs scare you, they're already scared of you in this current situation. Once heads start rolling you're going to see some humbled former snobs.

[RallyInDC]

4. damn right!!!!!!

everyone needs to wake up.....sibel edmonds has all the evidence, dennis hastert has been taking bribes and is a crooked sack of shit.....

if bush is impeached, that will unearth the evidence underneath cheney and hastert & company, who are the real crooks. all of them would be destroyed politically, the repubs would NEVER put them back in!!!!

do you really honestly believe, the repubs, besides delay of course would want to destroy their image permamently by putting some crook in the white house?!???

it would have to be agreed upon by, bi-partisan or at least semi-agreement to put in a moderate to replace him. probably mcCain or someone, and yes I hate mc cain...hes just not insane or going to blow something up!

[William769]

5. Succession to the Presidency

The line of succession is currently:

Vice President
Speaker of the House
President Pro Tempore of the Senate
Secretary of State
Secretary of the Treasury
Secretary of Defense
Attorney General
Secretary of the Interior
Secretary of Agriculture
Secretary of Commerce
Secretary of Labor
Secretary of Health and Human Services
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Secretary of Transportation
Secretary of Energy
Secretary of Education
Secretary of Veterans Affairs

Sorry you lose, nothing we can do about it.

[RallyInDC]

7. grand jury=oversight to the executive branch....no crook for the WH. N/T

[Walt Starr]

14. What are you smoking, dude?

This is the law. Ther eis no way to remove Bush without keeping a NACer in office. NONE!

[OKJackson]

33. Things are going your way, smile and accept it!

And?

Let three heads roll (and things are so bad, if one rolls, two roll guaranteed in each scenario. Once we get one head, getting investigations forward and past stonewalling becomes easy.

There's going to be so many heads rolling around that they won't have the guts to act like the horse's asses they've been. They'll sit down, shut up, mind their business and pin their own hopes on election time.

And don't forget, if we shut up the leadership of the Republican party... and believe me brother, we are about to... if we shut them up then we get to press forward election investigations and then even more heads roll.

It's going good for us, you people really need to wake up, turn on your TV and finally admit that things are going your way.

Stop being so damn negative, it'll destroy you.

[rsmith6621]

10. Secretary of Shoes ?????????

Secretary of State

Hell NO!!!!!!!

Condi would be to occupied buying shoes in NYC:)

[Walt Starr]

11. Actually, you're wrong on the succession

IT's recently changed.

Secretary of Homeland Security now falls between Attorney General and Secretary of the Interior.

Currently, the Secretary of Commerce, Carlos Gutierrez, and the Secretary of Labor, Elaine Chao, are both ineligible as neither were born in the United States of America.

so now, the succession looks like this:

The Vice President Richard Cheney
Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert
President pro tempore of the Senate Ted Stevens
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
Secretary of the Treasury John Snow
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff
Secretary of the Interior Gale A. Norton
Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns
Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
Secretary of Transportation Norman Yoshio Mineta
Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman
Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Jim Nicholson

But your point is well taken. There's no way a Democrat stand any chance whatsoever of taking over prior to January 3, 2007.

[VADem11]

27. He isn't wrong

The senate approved the change in the line of succession allowing the secretary of Homeland Security to be eighth but the bill died in a house committee.

[H2O Man]

6. Thank you.

There is no need for worry. There is little, if any, chance that Bush is going to be impeached. There is a far greater chance that Cheney could be.

[OKJackson]

34. Rule of hunting, finish what you start

Bush, in terms of simile, is nothing but a weakened animal, bleeding from every orifice and several gaping wounds. He has no strength anywhere. Bush will be impeached. That's guaranteed. Don't be so negative, we've already brought Bush down, all we have to do is finish him.

That's a rule for hunters for two reasons.

One out of respect for the animal, though the relationship is prey and predator.

And two because if that animal lives and it by chance finds you in a prone position... well it just might kill you.

Bush is done, there's no reason to take our eyes off him now.

[Cleita]

8. Yes, if they aren't impeached it tells the dark side that you can

get away with murder. They can't be allowed to get away with it.

[smoogatz]

9. Whatever you guys are smoking--I'd like to give it a try.

Because the only way I'd ever believe the Republicans would impeach one of their own would be if I was high. There won't be any impeachment unless the Democrats win back the House in '06--and the odds of that happening are in the neighborhood of zero, because of redistricting.

[Walt Starr]

15. I could see them impeaching one of their own

They'd throw anybody over to insure the collective survives. The individual is unnecessary. The collective is all that matters.

They are Borg. They assimilate. Resistance is futile.

[Just Me]

18. For their own political survival,...damn straight!!!!

IMFO the ones asserting the "worst case scenario" are those who,...well, nevermind. The status quo is fucking up our people and our nation. TIME TO SWITCH TO ANOTHER TRACK,...if ya' know what I mean.

[Walt Starr]

20. It's the only reason they went after Nixon

The Senate would have convicted and everybody knows that. They were saving their own political asses.

[smoogatz]

21. Bush is their poster boy--he embodies everything they claim to stand for

And as far as America wingnuttia is concerned, he's the best of the lot. If they dump him, they've got nothing and nobody. You think the fundie-wingers are excited about Bill Frist? Or Giuliani?

[Walt Starr]

23. And if they think they have no other choice, they'll throw him overboard

Nixon was their posterboy, and the same shit happened when his remaining in power threatened the Republican Collective.

[smoogatz]

25. I may be wrong about this, but didn't Democrats control

both houses of congress in '74?

[Carolab]

31. Redistricting AND rigged election machines AND voter suppression.

ALL of these things add up to one smelly problem getting Dems elected.

[OKJackson]

35. Which is why we must relentlessly press forward to impeach

Because we will begin to shed democracy like water off of a slope if the Republicans see that we are weakening at all.

They are at their weakest now.

Katrina did for us what 9/11 did for Bush.

Public support is swinging our way and highly favorable to impeachment, and it's only going to get like this every day.

We must continue our efforts in all arenas to bring to trial the criminals up and down the government.

We must not let a single Rpeublican criminal escape.

They are scared, so let's show them the firecest, most focused enemy they've ever seen in their life.

It'll break them.

So no.

Don't let Bush get away.
Or Cheney.
Or Rove.
Or Hastert.
Frist.
Freeh.
Delay.
Blackwell.
Noe (both).
Taft.

Etc. etc. etc.

If we give up the fight and focus on election... it'll be back to status quo democracy erosion and we'll be back to square one.

[Just Me]

12. Fear is the enemy to us, the best friend of totalitarians. Whereas,...

,...TRUTH is the enemy to totalitarians and our best friend.

Forge forward with the flag of truth and passion for justice ----> THAT IS FREEDOM.

[Walt Starr]

13. If not Cheney or Hastert, then Ted Stevens (R) Alaska

If not him, then Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, if not her then Secretary of the Treasury John Snow, if not him then Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, if not him then Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, if not him then Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, if not him then Secretary of the Interior Gale A. Norton, if not her then Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns, if not him then Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt, if not him then Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson, if not him then Secretary of Transportation Norman Yoshio Mineta.

AHHHH, finally a "Democrat".

:eyes:

[johnaries]

16. Hi, OKJackson! I'm one of those "some people", and nothing

would make me happier than seeing the entire GOP leadership in chains and behind bars. And I'd love to see the DLC DINO's in there with them!

But, the 2006 elections are coming soon, and we have a lot of potential capital that we can use if we don't fuck it up. I'm not saying that we should stop calling for impeachment - we should step up the pressure!

But, we need to understand that our best chance is AFTER the 2006 elections and we should focus on 2006.

We NEED to win in 2006! And we have a good chance of doing so! BUT, we still need to work for it! ALL of us!

I'm not saying that we should abandon the call for impeachment, I'm just saying that if we really want it we need to FOCUS on 2006!

[OKJackson]

36. Without impeachment there is no 2006 election

Unless we pry open the criminal side of this regime, they'll keep stealing election after election behind stonewalling. How many elections have they stolen now, including state elections? CA recall, recent Ohio election, 2004 election in several states, 2000 election...

They're going to keep repeating the same trick over and over until they're stopped.

So let us focus on stopping them. Our political issues will arise from our desire to see a just an honest government *NOT* run by criminals. Pick the cleanest candidates you can, and don't pick anyone not willing to consider Bush's impeachment. Anyone that's DLCing? screw 'em.

[melody]

17. Bush being impeached would have a greater moral value than just political

It would be a decisive death knell to the Reich Wing. Cheney couldn't possibly be worse than the Chimp of Death - he's probably running the ballgame anyway.

But if the Shrub somehow clings to office, there will never be another Republican in office, so long as the people can wrest control of the voting booth from the Diebold Machine.

[DODI]

19. When Nixon was in trouble, Agnew got snagged with

income tax evasion and had to resign. A new vice president was selected -- someone who was respected and not involved in the whole Watergate mess. The possibility exists that Cheney will have to resign (Plame investigation) Bush will have to appoint a new VP (maybe he will follow the model Nixon did) and then Bush will either be impeached or resign and we may have a VP who is not as closely associated with this clan. Just a thought. Impeach NOW!

[never_get_over_it]

22. There is absolutely no chance of this

remember it takes 2/3rds of the Senate to vote to convict and remove - ain't going to happen ever - even if we take the House back in 2006 - we'll never get 2/3rds in the Senate unless many of them have a change of heart and get some integrity - ain't going to happen.

But hopefully we can be successful at derailing anymore of the shit this idiot has been pushing through Congress - by keeping pressure on the House and the Senate - I mean on a daily basis we should be calling with what we want to see.

The repunks that tried and succeeded to pass two articles of impeachment against Clinton, out of four, knew that he would never be removed - that was not their goal - their goal was to cripple Clinton and make sure he made no progress on his policies.

[melody]

24. true, but...

My arch-Republican father told me that we had "absolutely no chance" of unseating Nixon, shortly before we did.

[SheilaT]

26. Your arch-Republican father

may not have been paying attention to the fact that both the House and the Senate were in Democratic hands back then. Plus, Nixon had lost the support of some important Republicans, including Barry Goldwater.

At present, House and Senate are firmly Republican, and I see no signs of Republicans actually turning against Bush.

[melody]

28. which is why I said "true", but...

You never know what might happen...if anything has proved that to me, this fetid administration has. 2006 is still ahead of us.

[never_get_over_it]

29. Yes but Nixon resigned because Republicans with integrity

marched to the WH and told him to give it up. Do you know any of the current repunks that have a shred of integrity?

[melody]

30. nope, but I know of current Reps who would play CYA in a second

I'm not saying it's likely, I just suggest we leave the door open to possibility. We don't want to do the work of the GOPhers by stopping our cart before it ever gets going.

[OKJackson]

37. EXACTLY!

You've got it.

Stopping now is suicide, many believe we're close to victory.

The people are turning against Bush and if the people turn... their representatives have to turn.

The Republican party can fight "liberal" America, but the Republican party cannot fight all of America, and as fast as Bush is sinking, that's what's happening.

Watch for the NO death toll.

When that number hits... watch out!

That's the next stage we need to watch out for, it should be abominal and then the public reaction against Bush will magnify!