"Bushville" was established today in Washington D.C.!!!

[shance]

Go to bushville.org to find out more.

Please keep kicked****

[evolvenow]

1. kick to IMPEACH and CONVICT THE KILLERS!!

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

2. any pics?

all of u there rock!

[johnaries]

3. Woo-Hoo! Kicked and recommended! n/t

[PuraVidaDreamin]

4. here's the link

http://bushville.org/

[shance]

9. Thank you Vida****

n/t

[teach1st]

5. I'm trying to figure this out...

Here's the locked post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4736730

[Sapphire Blue]

7. Wondering about that, too... Game over?

[Bluebear]

6. I thought it was a hoax and DU was "implicated"?

:crazy:

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. I am still not clear ont hat bushville.org/bushville.com thing

------------------------------------------------------
URGENT yet easy! Hold the government accountable for Katrina's aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4736062

[katinmn]

8. edited pending clarification

:wtf: Has Georgebushytail been playing a game with us?

[crispini]

12. that's what I thought.

is this a sockpuppet?

[crispini]

11. wtf?

thought this was a hoax....

[katinmn]

13. GeorgeBushyTail is a:

Too bad. bushville.org was a great idea.

[Liberty Belle]

14. Was he tombstoned?

Can anyone confirm if "Bushville" was actually established today (9/11) in DC?

[Bluebear]

16. I have only heard about it in bushy bushy's threads~!

[katinmn]

17. Yup. If you find his name, click on the profile you get a

tombstone.

Damn.

[IndyOp]

32. If there were people there, there would be pics (nt)

[proud2BlibKansan]

49. I am doubting it.

[RagingInMiami]

15. Here we go again

[titoresque]

18. I've talked with

him personally on the phone. I hope this doesnt get me banned too.
He seems legit. I was gone today and do not know why he was banned........anyone?

Anyhow, I answered a call to action.....the two websites obviously are real. And a person from Raw Story actually called me and we did a phone interview although I told her (Mirriam) that I was only helping to get the word out and that I didnt have alot of concrete info to give. The story was written for Raw Story but I was not mentioned in the story.......Im assuming because I didnt have a lot to offer.

If I'm wrong about GBT......or have missed something, please let me know? As far as I can see what he's trying to do is legit, although I tend to agree that some of the ideas were a little hardcore and I did express my thoughts about it.

[titoresque]

19. ok NOW IM PISSED!!!!!!!!!

WTF?!!!

I just read back through the post in question........dammit!
Oh, now I'm thinking back on conversations.........oh the conversations! Good thing Im ALWAYS a skeptic and I let him do the talking!
I don't get it? Do these fuckers have nothing better to do with their time? This is weird behavior!
Ok, well I am done! DONE! I'm not messing around with this bullshit, I have better things to do........goddammit, you just do not know how pissed I am at myself right now!

[crispini]

20. read through the locked thread and there's another one too.

you might PM a mod too and explain and ask.

[IndyOp]

23. A DU'er believe(s/d) that Bushville is a hoax

I think someone on DU believe(s/d) that Bushville is a hoax -- read on:

I got this email this morning:
------------------------------
Bye, guys. Best wishes.

I am leaving DU to find an effective nonviolent activism group. DU isn't the right place for my talents

Here's my sad parting message to DU:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4730813>

Thanks for your encouragement.

Keep pushing for Justice, GBT
------------------------------

This was GBT's last post - in which he said he was staying:

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4730813#4736047>
------------------------------

Finally a post from salin:

Funniest thing - is that when noone went to read the whole site and see the punch line (eg no bushville) - had to come back and announce the punchline to the game. Rather pathetic.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4730813#4737000>

------------------------------

:shrug:

P.S. I am just reporting - don't flame the messenger.

[Liberty Belle]

57. I'm the journalist who wrote the RawStory piece.

I interviewed him and he seemed legit to me, too. I don't think this was intended as a fraud, more of an "if you build it, they will come" dream that didn't pan out. He e-mailed me privately of his great disappointment and disillusionment shortly before he was tombstoned.

I wish him well, and hope he'll eventually find a way to team up his activist spirit with someone who has the physical "legs" to make things happen.

At any rate, I've notified my editor of this turn of events and suggested he pull the story.

I didn't use your comments because as you've noted, you didn't have additional concrete details, but did confirm that you'd spoken with GBT and tried to spread the word to some Katrina evacuees, though understandably none in your circle had leaped at the "opportunity" to camp out after their ordeal. Your efforts, though, added credibility to the legitimacy of his efforts.

[titoresque]

63. Thank you

I did receive another email from him just now. An apology for manipulating me. He still sticks with the story that he was indeed trying to get people to actually create this encampment...or to atleast take it to the streets but that his style is perhaps too bold for DU. I am just going to step back from this whole thing and recognize that whatever "it" is, is out of my league. I can admit that....I do a lot for the peace movement, and there are alot of things I am willing to really stick my neck out for. But I am just not into this sort of manipulation. I see what Cindy Sheehan has done for this Country and I truly believe she has come so far because of honesty. It started out that way and it continues that way.
The lack of honesty is what will someday bring George and Co. down. It's only a matter of time.

I think GBT's vision is wonderful and given an honest chance and a little more time I do think it could come to fruition, but using people and messing with emotions only serve to confuse and wear people out. A person such as myself who would have been a go getter will step away. That's how it works. I do understand his frustration, I've felt that way many times......like things are not rolling fast enough, but you have to take a deep breath and do the right thing. This was not.

[roguevalley]

21. Edit:

If this is a joke, hoax, 'performance art', then this guy needs to go far, far away because he wasted good people's time and energy playing around when people are dying. I do hope he's banned. Idiot loser.

[titoresque]

27. OHHHHHHHH theres so much more!

I answered this guys first post about the idea. In it, he even offered to pay someone for their time if they would spearhead Bushville into action. I answered the post and by the next morning he
had my name as Owner of a yahoo group......I just removed my name a few minutes ago and removed my name from the group.

He called me several times a day with updates......dammit! I even wasted some minutes on a calling card and called him!
When he wanted to overnight money to me and was emailing me frequently about more and more people that wanted to donate I got suspicious and told him NO....do not send money! I did not give him my address although with my home number I guess that wouldnt be too hard to get. He wanted me to set up a paypal account LOL!!!
I said NO...I told him that I did not want to accept the money he was offering just yet as I was not sure if I would be able to get the idea off the ground, and as far as taking money from anyone else I said no because I am not a non-profit....I think I could get in serious trouble. He was very strange over the phone, and the only way I could explain it to other people...friends here, my mothwer etc. was that it was a very awkward dance.
Anyhow I just sent him an email and told him that he should have learned years ago that playing games like this is not the way to get help grom people. BTW....this guy is not a young snot nosed kid.....he's probably in his 50's from the sound of his voice.

[RagingInMiami]

33. So was this guy a freeper?

What was the purpose of all this? He obviously invested a lot of time into this practical joke.

Is the joke on us or on him?

[katinmn]

48. Don't feel bad. I got taken in, too. I never spoke with him

or emailed but I complimented him on the website.

I thought it was kind of radical cool. :)

:hi:

[mirandapriestly]

52. A FIFTY YEAR OLD DOING THAT?

I thought it was a twenty year old or something. Man, someone needs a life...

[IndyOp]

31. I'm 100% convinced that it is a hoax -

I took the comment on bushville.org that the WH has agreed to let the protesters use their bathrooms as a throw-away sarcastic comment.

It is far more strange that GBT would not give his name to RawStory:
<http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Activists_plan_911_Katrin_0909.html>

A "Bushville" of some sort could still happen whether or not this particular organizer has really tried/is capable of making it happen.

:kick:

On Edit: Change subject line to completely change it's meaning so as to cover up the fact that I failed to read titoresque's post - :blush:

HAS SOMEONE EMAILED RAWSTORY? THEY SHOULD PULL THE ARTICLE - and Laura Flanders just read a bit about it on air --

[Prodemsouth]

22. Georgebushytail was writing PMs and starting threads saying

he/she was leaving DU last night. It started to look funny to me last week - too early to start anything on Katrina and on 9/11 come on!!!. I think it was a hoax and georgebushytail is over in freeperville right now, thinking she/he is clever.

[titoresque]

29. YEP!

That's what i told him too...too early to start this. Good idea, but too early!

[In Truth We Trust]

24. Kick

[IndyOp]

25. A DU'er believe(s/d) that Bushville is a hoax

I think someone on DU believe(s/d) that Bushville is a hoax -- read on:

I got this email this morning:
------------------------------
Bye, guys. Best wishes.

I am leaving DU to find an effective nonviolent activism group. DU isn't the right place for my talents

Here's my sad parting message to DU:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4730813>

Thanks for your encouragement.

Keep pushing for Justice, GBT
------------------------------

This was GBT's last post - in which he said he was staying:

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4730813#4736047>
------------------------------

Finally a post from salin:

Funniest thing - is that when noone went to read the whole site and see the punch line (eg no bushville) - had to come back and announce the punchline to the game. Rather pathetic.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4730813#4737000>

------------------------------

:shrug:

P.S. I am just reporting - don't flame the messenger.

[are_we_united_yet]

26. Bushville a hoax

Poster was tombstoned.

[mzmolly]

36. I wonder if it was a hoax or a person with some "issues" that we're

not aware of?

I thought the white house bathroom thing was quite odd LOL. If it was an actual hoax, whoever hoaxed us went to alot of time and energy ... thus I hope they GET A LIFE! ;)

[are_we_united_yet]

38. Yes it did seem quite elaborate.

But the one post I read about DU being dragged in was it for me.

The person certainly needs to get a life.

[mzmolly]

42. Which post was that?

I missed it. :hi:

[are_we_united_yet]

45. Let me see if I can find it......

hang tight...

[are_we_united_yet]

50. Well...

I think it was this one but it looked like the patient edited before the thread got locked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4736730#4736779


Yes this is the thread:

eorgeBushytail Donating Member (862 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Sep-11-05 03:08 PM
Original message
Bushville.org a HOAX! DU implicated.

=======================================================
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 03:10 PM by GeorgeBushytail

The Bushville, DC nonsense turned out to be fake: www.bushville.org

It's too bad that DU got dragged in to such a nasty scandal.

I'm back, people:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

If I annoy you use the ignore button: the little sleeping guy a bit to the right of my name on this post. Your loss.

[mzmolly]

58. I wonder if this was sarcasm and a bit of a tantrum?

Either way it's pathetic. I honestly feel a bit sorry for this person.

I think as others have noted he likely started out with good intentions and later became frustrated when it didn't pan out? Then he/she apparently lashed out with confusing/sarcastic "cyber tantrums..."

:shrug:

[Griffy]

43. BUT his hoax got me to go protest at the WH today.. jokes on him!

I thought i would go down and offer to buy a case of water or food... Instead I met new people opposing bush, and directed them to here :) Just warming up for the 24th !!

BE the Media!

PS... 1 of the SS told me he voted Gore :P .. he said his friend saw the plane hit the pentagon (he heard us talking about a missle) and I said I cant rule out it was a plane, but can you blame us for not really believing bushco... he said not really.. I voted for Gore!

[ignatius 2]

28. I got a PM from him too. I couldn't quite put my finger on it

but it didn't sound quite right. For someone who hadn't been around very long to come exploding onto the scene saying that we aren't doing enough by writing our congressman,writing the papers and so forth and that he was leaving if we couldn't do more seemed rather weird.

I didn't think disrupter or freeper, I was thinking more like an agitator plant like back in the 60's.

I suspect some part of this creepy,secretive administration is watching us.

[titoresque]

34. YES!!!! A PLANT!

dammit this guy has my phone number! Asshole!!! Damn Asshole!
I am so pissed right now! At the same time I have to laugh at myself....

One of the first things he put on the website was "illegal incampment"
then he called me....i told him uh, yeah.....you're gonna have to change the wording there, illegal is so out in your face ridiculous no one is going to get involved!
I saw the red flags right away and for some damn reason I ignored them.....I mean for christ sake the moring I woke up and he emailed me twice saying "THANKYOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING *Over* CAMP KATRINA" and all I had done was posted to him and saif I would help.......Im im Az!!!!! I should have listened to myself then!


You think my phone could be tapped now?

[mzmolly]

40. I wonder if this person is simply deluded?

I'm thinking the actions sound a bit "bi-polaresque?"
Sometimes people "snap" when we have tragedy's like Katrina and it pushes people on the edge right over? I dunno - food for thought.

I haven't a strong opinion, it just sounds like this person went to mucho trouble to pull off a hoax?

[ignatius 2]

41. I would hope not, but take it easy and don't get too upset.

You have done nothing wrong so I wouldn't worry too much about it. He might have just been a guy,a little paranoid, who forgot to take his meds and with too much time on his hands.

[titoresque]

44. maybe....

and Im not too worried because you're right I did nothing wrong...still this whole thing pisses me off.

If you never again see me welcome a "former freeper" this is why. LOL!

[mzmolly]

46. That's my thought.

Doesn't seem like an organized hoax - it seems more like a guy in a state of mania?

[mzmolly]

37. I'm wondering in hindsite if it's just a person with mental illness?

Then again, I was leary of the yahoogroup idea.

I am not comfortable sharing my email address with that many people, personally.

:shrug:

[Brother Buzz]

30. This thread may be the genesis of the whole bushville thingy...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4629758

sounds like the entire event was made up of whole cloth and George Bushy tails's imagination. :shrug:

[Griffy]

35. I went down to the mall.. I couldnt find it...

that doesnt mean it wasnt there.. I went to the White House and join the protesters there... www.yellowcakewalk.net was there with signs about bush in 54 languages.. and people from other countries held signs in thier language that said "impeach bush". Korean was the most popular today, as a tour group of Koreans came to see the WH. Another man had a "Worse than Watergate" sign...

The mall was covered with a "Black Family Reunion" gathering, tents, food and a stage...

So.. I dont know were they are.. and I didnt think it was a hoax, but now.... hmmm

[titoresque]

39. Listen......

it wasnt there ok.........NOT there! I talked with this guy every day last week! We both knew that NO ONE was going to camp.....yet.
The idea on his part was to make it seem like things were rolling, create a buzz so that eventually someone would actually do it.........or so he said. NOW there is a whole new twist and from what I am thinking back on now.....and what I sort of thought all along anyhow is that this guy was not just a freeper but probably a plant too.......

heres the most recent email I got from him:

Could you post a poll on DU “Should GeorgeBushytail Be Banned From DU” yes/no and post links to some of my more inflammatory threads along with the info that I am currently banned. Sorry to once again attempt to manipulate you.



Someone on DU posted that Laura Flanders said on the radio that some protesters had done a Bushville, DC action. It must be true because it’s third-hand gossip, right? I hope it’s true.



Be talking,


Everytime he wrote me there would be one or two words or a phrase that would rub me the wrong way......why did I ignore that?
In this case the obvious word is *manipulate*

[Griffy]

47. Ok.. I was just reporting from the scene... the mall was full...

covered by this reunion...

there is a woman that lives across from the WH... I mean LIVES.. homelesss, with STOP WAR and peace messages covering her hovel... how come she can stay?.. I think they dont want the stink.. she has been there since 1981 and is old (80's perhaps). A picture of her is on www.yellowcakewalk.net at the bottom of the page.

So.. how does 1 stay on the mall.. the homeless do!

this was an odd hoax, because it got me out and I talked to many people about the trouble in our nation, and I connected with people.

some are hopelessly addicted to the kool-aid :(

[katinmn]

55. So it was successful.

No matter what GBT intended, it got some people out there and people will be there now till whenever Bush leaves. Ha!

Thanks for the link showing all the international protestors.

[tjdee]

51. The White House will let us use their bathrooms---RIIIIGHT.

From that sentence alone it should be clear that it is a hoax.

Somehow, the idea of 10,000 Katrina victims using the White House bathrooms--I'm not seeing that.

[katinmn]

54. I thought that line was a sarcastic joke.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

60. And what the hell is "Southern music" - DC style?

"We could sure use some good Southern music. Bring an instrument."

"We will depend on the people of DC for food and support."

More like the hot dog vendors up and down Constitution Avenue...

[walldude]

53. Um.. if people would read the entire page

at the bushville site, they guy admits that this is not an organized protest. He's just trying to light a fire under somebody's ass. It's not exactly a hoax, just not what people thought.

[tjdee]

61. No, but then he came back and said it was a hoax.

And that DU was "implicated"--one of the posts in this thread links to that thread.

GeorgeBushytail or whatever shows up here, tells everyone they're not doing enough, runs with this Bushville idea (that somewhere he says was another DUers idea), then today says it was a "hoax" and DU was "implicated" in a "scandal".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4736730

In reply 20 of that thread, he goes "Hope you enjoyed playing. Now you start a game." ?????

Just WEIRD.

[mirandapriestly]

56. There was a real bushville

http://chapelhill.indymedia.org/print.php?id=6055

The police made them take it down, it was a couple years ago. So the guy couldn't even come up with an original idea. There is also one in Brroklyn, but it is an indoor organization, I think.

[shance]

59. So, is it happening or is it not? And if it's not, lets make it an "IS"**

I posted this when I heard about it on Laura Flanders.

I wouldn't make this a huge deal either way folks, other than the fact it should be happening.

Let's make it happen, if its not already****

[Brother Buzz]

62. 24 September is a real event in DC...the real McCoy

Perhaps something could be shoehorned in with that event. Go for it.

[Technowitch]

64. Locking

This has been shown to be a hoax.

Technowitch
DU Moderator