No more fish for me

[linazelle]

I keep thinking about what's spilling into the Gulf right now and all I can say is, I ate fish for dinner tonight (it was unthawed from the freezer) but I don't intend to eat any shrimp, crawfish, or anything else fishy for YEARS.

Somebody talk me down or I'm done.

[whistle]

1. Those corporate fisheries in the Gulf are looking for genetically

...engineered fish that will mutate into larger more profitable fish products, especially the bottom feeders which the corporate fascists and neo-cons can identify with so well.

[texanwitch]

2. I live 50 miles from the Gulf Coast and I won't even walk in the water

now.

[DBoon]

19. Bet you could walk *on* the water now

It's polluted enough that even an atheist could walk on it

[benburch]

3. Farmed fish?

Farmed fish would seem to be the only option.

And you would be amazed at what has been dumped into fishing shoals off the west coast by the US nuclear program in years past. Lots of plutonium and other nasty stuff. All in leaky barrels.

The oceans are finite and rapidly getting heavily polluted with or without NOLA water.

Not to mention having been totally fished out.

There are essentially NO ocean cod any more. No orange roughy, no swordfish... We've caught them all and the seas are turning into deserts.

[bonito]

15. I was at the out front last week

Swordfish was offered I don't order it anymore, but the salmon is always a favorite.

[Fatima]

16. TILAPIA

Tilapia is farm raised and found in the seafood section of almost any supermarket. I buy bags of frozen fillets and they are really good.

I stopped buying ocean fish a long time ago. I work in the maritime/defense sector and I know what goes into that water!!!!

[B Calm]

18. You can raise these indoors in a big tank.. Our local HS does it

every year.

[mithnanthy]

50. Talapia is great...

I sometimes bake it in white wine and "lite" butter with capers. Easy and yummy...serve with lemon wedge.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. Same here

It's a drag, but since all the seafood here comes from the gulf, it was an easy decision.

[justiceischeap]

5. And there was already the problem with fish and mercury

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/parenting/04/12/fish.pregnant/

A report issued Thursday says millions of pregnant women and their fetuses are at risk of serious health problems from exposure to mercury in fish.

The report, prepared by the Environmental Working Group and the U.S. Public Interest Research Group, calls on the Food and Drug Administration to upgrade and strengthen its current mercury safeguards.

The FDA in January recommended that shark, swordfish, king mackerel and tilefish not be eaten by pregnant women and women of childbearing age who might become pregnant. It also recommended that nursing mothers and young children steer clear of these fish.

...

It urges the FDA to add Gulf coast oysters and eight more types of fish to the list, including tuna, sea bass, halibut, marlin, pike and white croaker. In addition, the report says canned tuna, mahi-mahi, cod and pollack should not be eaten more than once a month.

This is prior to Katrina.

[hedgehog]

7. Fellows, I don't think he is worried about pollution per se

The concern is about what new protein source is now available to the fish after all the drownings.

[linazelle]

12. You got it Hedgehog. nt

[Skip Intro]

6. Alarms about fish have been out for a while

mercury levels rising

I think the FDA (or some agency) put out warnings for pregnant women and children not that long ago about limiting or eliminating intake of fish (salmon and tuna, specifically, I think). I wondered then, does that mean its ok for adult men and non-pregnant women?

?

then there's beef.....

[linazelle]

8. I knew about the mercury and there were certain types of fish

more likely to be contaminated--like tuna and fish that feed on other fish--but with NOLA, all fish are dangerous.

[justiceischeap]

10. Mad Cow Disease...

Of course this adminstration refers to it as "slightly disgruntled cow disease."

[mtnester]

43. You left the word disease in

insert the word irregularity if you want their real spin.

:)

[Iris]

28. "does that mean its ok for adult men and non-pregnant women?"

fetuses, infants, and children are at risk of autism from mercury poisoning. I believe once the brain has matured, the risk diminishes. So, assuming men have mature brains, then they are probably ok.

[Skip Intro]

33. "assuming men have mature brains"

ok, whatever.

hold a glass of tap water up to a stream of sunlight, and trust this government that its safe for you if you like.

and sure, that fish sandwich from mickey d's is just as safe as the big mac - they wouldn't feed you somehting that'd kill you - the FDA wouldn't let 'em.

right.

I'd just as soon have a bocca burger, thanks.

[Iris]

47. I would never eat a fish sandwich from micky d's. Nor a hamburger, either

I'm just saying that there's a difference between a child consuming mercury and an adult doing the same.

If people are concerned about too much mercury in their systems, they should get tested.

[B Calm]

9. I raise my own fish..

[babylonsister]

17. B Calm, is that you? You raise healthy fish; good for you!

Too bad we don't all have that option. I too live near the gulf. x(

[B Calm]

21. Getting old, but that is me with a black crappie..

[babylonsister]

22. B Calm, we are ALL getting old! You're eating healthy, you'll

live longer.:)

[wellstone_democrat]

26. damn, that is a nice looking fish

guy's not bad either

[nookiemonster]

44. Wow! That is one monster crappie.

:o

eom

[bearfan454]

55. Nice crappie !

I haven't eaten crappie in a long time.

[Ilsa]

11. I quit trying to figure it out and just became a vegetarian.

It was alot easier than trying to remember what has mercury, bovine spongiform encephalopathy, E. coli, salmonella, etc. I just wash my fruits and veggies really well and I'm set. We have a superfund site down the road (I'm about 25 miles from the Texas gulf coast) and you can't eat anything from that bay, either.

[hedgehog]

20. I started working in a packing plant a while ago

Believe me, all raw fruits and vegetables get washed now!

[Stinky The Clown]

13. I haven't seen an honest-to-god gulf shrimp in years

All the shrimp we get around here is farm raised in southeast Asia.

[AtLiberty]

14. Not to worry -- JAY-SUS is coming!

;)

[babylonsister]

24. AtLiberty, nothin' for nothin', but look at your

post count on your shout out to Jay-sus! LOL!

[linazelle]

25. THAT's scary! LOL

[txindy]

37. Yeah, but He won't eat the seafood, either.

:rofl:

[evolvenow]

23. Good for you!I have not had seafood in 40 years and do not miss it! Go Veg

Veg is the only way to go, you will feel great, not have to worry about the suffering of the animals for a meal, you will not miss the mercury or other toxic pollution.

There are seafood type products if you have access to a natural food store, or health store, they are veg and delicious and no bottom feeding or poison!

I would suggest others consider it, as the water sources are really polluted.

There are new technologies, using plants and other natural living things that can clean toxic water, but most corp. and the criminals in gov are only interested in poisoning and using up every valuable resource.

Going veg is a great step towards a sustainable planet and your good health.



kick

[jmowreader]

29. And, of course, no one ever fucks with vegetarian diets

The most popular source of protein for vegetarian diets is soy--"seafood type products," veggieburgers, tofu and so on are all soy-based.

The biggest source of soy seed is Monsanto, the biggest genetically-modified seed producer in the world. They're such lovely people, doing things like writing "no saving seed" clauses into their contracts with farmers.

Want even more fun? Look up the ingredients in the foods you eat. It will make you sick.

Go vegetarian/vegan if you want, but unless you grow your own plant-based foods from known heirloom seed and raise your own livestock from known heirloom stock, the foods you eat, whether you are a vegetarian or an omnivore, have been fucked with.

[evolvenow]

34. Some of this is true, but there are many non-gmo sources of soy, and I

know the evils of Monsanto, and it is demonic what they are doing.

The truth is that with this going on, eventually there will be very little that is pure, like you say, seed saving.


We will all be hybrids soon.

Cheers.

At least with soy, no animals are killed in the making of your dinner:)

[Kali]

36. Well, except for the ones that get run over

and displaced on huge megacorp agbiz "farms" growing that healthy soy.

[evolvenow]

38. Humans are living totally outside the laws of Nature. Everyone can choose.

I make every effort to buy organic, small farms, local produce. Yes, AgroFarms terrorize large areas, but then there are so many people to feed. Argue all you want, but beef uses far more resources, destroys huge amounts of land, they pump cow, chickens and pi`gs full `of hormones and live in horrific conditions. When animals are killed, all of those stress hormones are in the flesh and when meat is cooked with heat and eaten, it clogs arteries and leads to a slew of diseases. Eating seafood is very iffy due to mercury and other poisons. Veg is a less harmful choice. Less deadly, less heart disease and cancer, and no mad cow or mercury,Cept the jet fuel percholate that is now everywhere. People need to get sustainable or die, period. If the killing and poisoning continues, the earth will deal with it, but like so many beautiful animals, people will become extinct.

Sadly, the human imprint is like a cancer killing everything, and for myself, I choose to not eat animals and your choice is your choice.

[Kali]

46. Some of what you say is true, but actually in evolutionary terms

cancers are slow killers and reproduction continues. Cancers are not killing us off. Life spans have increased and child mortality is vastly improved compared to just a few hundred years ago.

Also natural or organic beef/any meat really (going by common sense definitions, not "approved govt. labels) where the cattle are raised on their natural diet - cellulose that you can not digest is in fact a more efficient use of resorces in some area. Converting grazing land to crop land decreases biodiversity much more than the other way round. And uses way more water. The claims for energy and water use for raising beef are indeed based on feedlot technology, which I agree is NOT sustainable.

You are extremely fortunate to live in a place where you have the choice to eat what you want. A good portion of the world must take what it can get. No choices at all. And often not even sufficient calories, much less nutrients.

[evolvenow]

49. Believe me, I know how fortunate to be able to choose, and even with mylow

-income, I have access to fruits and vegetables and water, even the poorest person in the US, still has more than most living conditions around the world.

You make good points and it is a challenge to feed the numbers of people, what with all of the fascists and corporations creating situations where it is nearly, if not impossible for anyone to grow their own food, or feed themselves affordably, locally, in a sustainable, organic manner that supports biodiversity, which makes the most sense.

Again, countries where mostly grain, vegetables and small amounts of flesh, have either no or very low cancer rates.

As far as evolution, yes in terms of living longer that is happening with the advent of medical technologies some people are living longer, while some are dying because of these practices.

Too me, evolution will be based on quality of life, for all living beings. If people are living longer, but destroying most of the planet, that is not evolution, that is just an animal living outside of the laws of Nature, eventually there will be a limit and it is visible in weather, in the numbers of people starving, and in the animals that people are eating. A toxic world is not intelligent and will only become less toxic when enough people become aware of the harm of their imprint and make steps towards less harm, and as you well know there are challenges to consider at every step....that is evolution, good choices=a healthy world, bad choices=toxic world. You know>

[Kali]

51. what you are calling evolution is more of a concious progression

the process of evolution makes no value judgements, although I will concede (and hope and strive for, myself) that perhaps those value driven choices may eventually lead to some sort of evolutionary change.

Good, bad - these concepts aren't scientific or evolutionary, although they are certainly important and relevant to how science is applied. But the bottom line of evolution is you adapt and pass on that DNA or you end. It is entirely possible that we or other DNA carriers may ADAPT to a toxic environment (in which instant it is no longer toxic!) as life did to the toxic and dangerously oxidizing gas O2 a while back.

[Kali]

27. Eat organic beef - its much lower on the food chain than most fish or

shellfish. Or even mushrooms. :evilgrin:

[Blue_In_AK]

30. Three words for you...

WILD ALASKAN SALMON.

[Qibing Zero]

31. Yeah, I said:

Fuck it, I'm moving to Iceland. I'll live with the potential volcanic eruption for the not-so-tainted fish, baby.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

32. I am in the tourist business in the Florida Keys and get regular

advisory reports from the county regarding the water quality of the ocean and bay which is checked on a regular basis. Our fishing, shrimping and tourist industries rely on the good quality of our water so they are very anal and honest about this. From time to time there has been spillage from sewers, etc. and then they close certain beaches and areas until the water quality meets the strict requirements.

At this time there hasn't been any change in water quality down here, but I will make it a point to post any changes that are reported to me in the future. Our shrimp here are known as Key West shrimp as opposed to Gulf shrimp and most of our food fish are taken from the Atlantic Ocean.

[cynatnite]

35. Awe, damn! We had fish for dinner, too!

x(

Salmon's all this house will see for a while.

[Taxloss]

39. I went ocean fishing at the weekend.

A few hours out in the English Channel with a mackerel line, in the torrential rain - bliss. They were almost jumping into the boat. They tasted good, too. And I still have some in my freezer.

If you're worried, avoid shellfish. But most of your fish should come from the north Atlantic, and there won't be any fallout from Katrina there.

[Benbow]

42. Freshly-caught fish tastes completely different from two-day dead fish

I envy you - what did you catch?

[Taxloss]

48. Mackerel. And you're right, they were delicious. n/t

[Scurrilous]

40. Pinch the tails, suck the head...

...bite the dust?

[linazelle]

52. You bet. nt

[tammywammy]

53. In my grocery store

We have frozen crawfish tails, and they're from Asia not the Gulf.

[callous taoboy]

41. What about fish from around Rockport, Tx waters?

Anyone know about the fish in those waters? I have a friend who just moved down there is eager to stock up on redfish, trout etc.

[NNN0LHI]

45. Haven't you ever had lake perch from Lake Michigan?

Its the only fish I eat besides farm raised cat fish once in a while. Give 'em a try?

Don

[malaise]

54. Just check the labels

Shrimp from Belize or Guyana is great and available. You can find loads of imported fish.