Meet the Press thread -- Wilson-Novak showdown

[nixonwasbetterthanW]

MTP starts at 9 a.m. but doesn't appear in many East Coast markets till 10:30. Anyone who's lucky enough to get it at 9, please post commentary here.

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. Are they going head to head

Or will they be interviewed separately?

[0007]

9. Probably a half hour each

will be alotted to each one.

I'll be getting it in approximately twenty five minutes. Anything new I'll report.

[doh_phooey]

60. Rovak On The Hot Seat

http://www.geocities.com/theg0op/

[nixonwasbetterthanW]

2. kick ...

anything yet?

[trof]

3. JOE WILSON FOR PRESIDENT!

Absolutely MAGNIFICENT!
There are not enough superlatives to describe his performance.
God, I would love to have this guy leading my country.

[Snellius]

30. Articulate, intelligent, honest, honorable and MAD

The Bush thugs obviously didn't count on someone like Wilson when they plotted to intimate what they must have thought was just another timid, little peon.

[trof]

50. You left out handsome and very photogenic

which, unhappily, seems to count for a lot in American politics.
I especially like "MAD".
This boy definitely has the fire in the belly, and for good reason.

And to blm:
I could sure go for a Kerry/Wilson ticket.

[Cassandra]

74. No...

they thought that anyone really interested in public service for it's own sake must be a chump.

[blm]

34. Wilson is on John Kerry's foreign policy team.

BBC reported last week that many civil servants and intel insiders pissed at Bush are lining up behind Kerry.

[Lindsay]

4. No head to head

but yes, Wilson was awesome.

Said (among many other worthwhile things) that he will work to defeat Bush because his policies go against everything he said while campaigning. In other words, Bush lies.

Wilson is definitely one of my heroes.

[janekat]

20. Novak's not worthy to go head to head with him... Why should he even

bother with the little pipsqueak..

[JNelson6563]

5. Wilson rocks

He is calm, cool,collected and very intelligent. He effectively answers the questions and comes off as very credible.

Not a head-to-head thing with Nofacts. Guess Timmy didn't want the set to smell like piss from Nofacts wetting himself.

Nofacts up now, bet he's pathetic in contrast to Wilson.

Julie

[trof]

6. Nimble Nofax

not
Trying to tapdance around it while backing and filling.
(approx)"I don't know if she's a 'covert operative'. Maybe she's an 'under cover' operative, but that's different from a covert operative."
puhleeze
What a worm.

[Gin]

7. Novak sounded shakey..and he was understating the importance of

outing Ms.Plame...Wilson was wonderful.

[Terran]

55. Hey Bob:

If Valerie Plame wasn't undercover, then it should be no problem for you to tell us who you talked to about her. Right?

Can't have it both ways, idiot.

[leftchick]

8. Hahahahah...

he said Nofacks goes through his garbage so he would know! He also said he wrote an autobiograghical book two years ago with emphasis on his time in Baghdad. He had not gotten an agent or publisher until now.

[nixonwasbetterthanW]

10. Fifth Amendment

Has Novak used any "advice of counsel, so I can't answer that" responses yet? Or did he and Russert negotiate the rules of engagement beforehand?

[trof]

11. yep

"Can't talk about the investigation."
I can't wait for him to take the 5th.

[0007]

19. I'd vote for the latter -

*

[Patriot_Spear]

12. Novak: "I'm in an impossible situation here..."

He looked like he was about to cry. He blanched badly when they started talking about prison- and when Timmy drug out the condemnation from the Weakly 'Taliban' Standard, I started looking for the crash cart!

You made your bed Bob, now lie in it.

[UTUSN]

13. G.E.RUSSERT: "Are...you...a.....DEMOCRAT????!!!!"

to WILSON. Rita COSBY did it last night, too. This replaces the "Are you now or have you ever been a COMMUNIST???"

[IndianaGreen]

14. Party affiliation is a totally irrelevant question and a red herring

MTP doesn't come on here until 10 AM CT. I am looking forward to seeing Bob Novak plead the Fifth.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. As opposed to

"Was what you said true?"

The elephant in the room.

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Dictionary? Novak?

Should we all send Novak a dictionary?

Main Entry: <1>co·vert
Pronunciation: 'kO-(")v&rt, kO-'; 'k&-v&rt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, past participle of covrir to cover
Date: 14th century
1 : not openly shown, engaged in, or avowed : VEILED <a covert alliance>
2 : covered over : SHELTERED
synonym see SECRET
- co·vert·ly adverb
- co·vert·ness noun

Novak sounds like he's backpedaling for his attorney. covered over or under cover are not the same thing in a Repuke dictionary? The way these people parse words is amazing.

Main Entry: <1>se·cret
Pronunciation: 'sE-kr&t
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin secretus, from past participle of secernere to separate, distinguish, from se- apart + cernere to sift —more at SECEDE, CERTAIN
Date: 14th century
1 a : kept from knowledge or view : HIDDEN b : marked by the habit of discretion : CLOSEMOUTHED c : working with hidden aims or methods : UNDERCOVER <a secret agent> d : not acknowledged : UNAVOWED <a secret bride> e : conducted in secret <a secret trial>
2 : remote from human frequentation or notice : SECLUDED
3 : revealed only to the initiated : ESOTERIC
4 : constructed so as to elude observation or detection <a secret panel>
5 : containing information whose unauthorized disclosure could endanger national security; compare CONFIDENTIAL, TOP SECRET
- se·cret·ly adverb
synonyms SECRET, COVERT, STEALTHY, FURTIVE, CLANDESTINE, SURREPTITIOUS, UNDERHANDED mean done without attracting observation. SECRET implies concealment on any grounds for any motive <met at a secret location>. COVERT stresses the fact of not being open or declared <covert intelligence operations>. STEALTHY suggests taking pains to avoid being seen or heard especially in some misdoing <the stealthy step of a burglar>. FURTIVE implies a sly or cautious stealthiness <lovers exchanging furtive glances>. CLANDESTINE implies secrecy usually for an evil, illicit, or unauthorized purpose and often emphasizes the fear of being discovered <a clandestine meeting of conspirators>. SURREPTITIOUS applies to action or behavior done secretly often with skillful avoidance of detection and in violation of custom, law, or authority <the surreptitious stockpiling of weapons>. UNDERHANDED stresses fraud or deception <an underhanded trick>.

[0007]

25. Thanks for the discourse

Interesting!

[GCP]

17. Is Nofacts dribbling yet?

He can't speak around those caps of his without drooling down his chin, he's repellent.

[wyldwolf]

18. Russert: Do you see yourself as a democrat? Wilson: I certainly do now!

He contributed to Bush.

But also to Gore, Hillary, and Ted Kennedy...

But he says he isn't necessarily anti-bush.

So.... hell, I guess we can't trush him!

[quaker bill]

21. Russert to Wilson

Will you work to see that GWB* is defeated?

Wilson: Yes I will, he has betrayed everything he ran on.

Do you consider yourself a democrat?

Wilson: I do now, with Ed Gillespie going around the country dragging my name through the mud...

Wilson was smart and direct. Smarter than Russert

[leftchick]

22. everyone is smarter than timmy...

except smirk boy....

[Democrats unite]

23. What I don't understand is Novack said nothing was said was...

wrong, then why not just tell who said what & be done with it! I don't care how he spins it it was a plant story & it blew up in his face.

[TennesseeWalker]

24. George W has created his Nemesis.

Inadvertently, as is the prescription.

Wilson is VERY impressive. One feels the confidence of this man in every gesture, every statement.

It is hard to belittle intelligence, passion, honesty and integrity. Add an injustice to the mix, and it all spells defeat for the Imperialist Dynasty in 2004.

Thank you, Ambassador, for loving your country and your wife. I admire you.

[UTUSN]

27. NOVAKula: "I...DID....NOT....SAY....THAT!!!"

In the roundtable, re: the CA recall, where the LA Times dude accused NOVAKula of saying the "smears" on Ahhhnuld "came from" DAVIS. NOVAKula has had a rough year-----back during the Iraq attack, which he was against, he was fighting off charges of Anti-Semitism.

[Eloriel]

29. Wilson has always been exactly that

Totally impressive guy. One of my new heroes.

Eloriel

[Junkdrawer]

31. They tried to hang hime with the frogmarch quote - AND HE THREW IT BACK..

IN THEIR FACE. "When they find the two leakers, I would expect them to be frogmarched out of the White House"

I hope Democratic candidates are taking notes. He should teach classes. Professor Wilson.

[gulliver]

35. I agree. Wilson is made out of steel.

He is a study in composure. Very admirable.

Bush has a whole bunch of people fighting Wilson right now. They want to make it about Wilson.

But let's get Bush on MTP or FTN and see how he compares to Wilson.

No. Let's not do that. It would shame the country in the eyes of the world. People know about Bush now. No use rubbing their noses in it. He'll be ejected in 2004.

[JNelson6563]

65. when you have truth on your side

it is oh-so-easy to be confident. What I like most is he is not over-confident. He still maintains a modest demeanor. I think he's delightful. Mmm mm!!

Julie

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. I fear for Joe Wilson

and his wife. I wonder if THEY fear for their lives and are leery of flying in "small aircraft?" Car bombs, no breaks in the car.... It must always be in the back of their minds. It's on MY mind. :(

[Lorien]

57. Yeah, but it takes the CIA

to make small planes crash, doesn't it? The CIA is on Wilson's side here.

[LeahMira]

66. Best thing Wilson can do...

... is just what he's doing right now. Anything that could possibly happen to him would have to be scrutinized and would smell to high heaven.

What an impressive man!

[jab105]

99. Agreed...

He's handling it perfectly...

ironically, Wilson is responsble for almost all of Bush's problems...

At least there is one person whose tough enough to do it!

[johnfunk]

88. In_Cog, I think you have it backwards...

... Smirky W. McHappyKrack, Karl Röverer, Andy "Death" Card, and the Chimp's sundry handlers have tried to hang a CIA agent out to dry.

Believe me when I say that the agency is furious at having one of their own -- a top soldier in the war to stop rogue regimes and terrorist organizations from obtaining materials from which to make WMDs -- sold out for cheap-shot politics.

You can be sure that Wilson and his wife have a lot of angels looking over them.

You can also be sure that Röve and the entire crew of squatters at 1600 Penn (along with every dirty trick surrogate they've got, and you can't tell me the Agency doesn't know who they are) are contemplating the possibility that they just might meet with what David St. Hubbins of Spinal Tap fame referred to as a "bizarre gardening accident."

[Snellius]

28. Russert has obviously been "briefed" by the WH

He keeps saying things like "the White House will say". Maybe because that's what Rove told him?

Russert is also avoiding the issue of outing his wife.

[Snellius]

32. Russert doesn't get it. He didn't ask Novak the main question.

Why did Novak need to specifically print her name at all? Why not say "Wilson's wife"? What does it add to the story? What difference does it make that his wife may have suggested he be sent on the mission to Niger? Was the story just a pretext for outing the name?

[trapper914]

51. Her name isn't the issue.

Her occupation is...uh...er...was. It's no secret that Joe Wilson's wife's name was Valerie Plame. She told people she worked for an energy company. Novak's piece revealed her CIA occupation. THAT is the crime.

Novak should've realized that the nepotism angle was a non-story. Wilson wasn't paid for his trip to Niger. He had nothing to gain here except the truth of the situation down there. That said, Novak should've written a column about Clinton's penis instead.

[Snellius]

58. But why print her name?

"It's no secret that Joe Wilson's wife's name was Valerie Plame." I never heard her name. Everyone -- especially on Fox News -- likes to say "it was common knowledge" that Wilson's wife was CIA. "Common" to whom? Terrorist spys? Maybe if Novak had said "Wison's wife, a CIA operative" or whatever you guess any good enemy spy could have figured it out. But the point is that, by explicitly using her maiden and covert name, it was a blatant act of personal intimidation.

[captain_crunch]

33. Wilson gave money to the Repukes????

Hmmmm...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

36. He also gave money to the Democrats...what's your point?

[captain_crunch]

38. Well, I guess my point is, what kind of Democrat gives

money to reelect Republicans? Is he a Democrat now only because GB pissed him off, or does he believe in Democratic principles?
Or does that not matter to you?

[Patriot_Spear]

39. He was an American doing his job- seeking the truth about WMD's

Rove/Bush* didn't like when he made public they are liar's, so the cowardly son's of bitches went after his wife.

[alfredo]

61. He gave for the 2000 cycle. I doubt he will be giving any more to Bush

He was smart enough to learn from his mistake. Give him credit. Also being a past supporter of Bush gives him more credibility, blunts the partisan charges against him.

The same Dynamic works for Clark. Clark has made it safe for the soldier to be a Democrat.

If you watched nightline friday, you would have seen 5 Republicans bash the boy king and his band of thugs. they were all former CIA employees.

[Cheswick2.0]

76. it doesn't matter, he isn't running for President and he is helping us

Why would anyone care what party he is in?

[Stephanie]

83. Sounds like he's a swing voter

Makes up his mind on who to support based on the individual, not the party.

[berry]

85. I don't think it's clear what the history of his party affiliation is,

but he did say that he tends to vote on the basis of foreign policy issues--and historically that has not been so different between the Dems and GOP. It's diverged a lot lately--but even now there are a lot of Dems who are hawks and globalizers, etc.

Wilson did say that the contribution to Bush was before the South Carolina primary where Bush trashed McCain. Also, though he didn't say so, some people are under pressure to contribute if they want to do business with GOP types--and Wilson does have a consulting business. Giving to both parties might make good business sense (and be understood as such in business circles--that it's not a matter of partisan preferences).

Anyway, I don't think there's any question that he is anti-neocon and therefore anti-Bush. Whether he'd be anti-Bush if there hadn't been such a fatal foreign policy is not clear. But even if he's always been a strong Dem (also possible), he wouldn't want to stress that just now (one supposes). IMO, it's enough that he supports Kerry (and I hope any other Dem who gets the nomination if Kerry doesn't).

[Gore1FL]

95. doesn't matter to me

When honorable people follow their heart to do what they think is right, I can be supportive, even if I don't always agree.

I believe Wilson believes in US principles. At this time, like no other in history, those principles best coincide with what the Democrats propose.

[0rganism]

97. The kind that plays both sides of the fence, that's what kind

Go look up Joseph C. Wilson on the opensecrets.org site, under donors. You'll see he donated to both Gore and Bush in the 2000 campaign. He donated more to Gore, but he also hedged his bet by donating to Bush.

Of course, it's enough of an outrage for Drudge that he donated to John Kerry's campaign...

[Junkdrawer]

43. His point is to dampen our enthusiasm for Wilson.

I predict it won't work.

[Patriot_Spear]

44. You figured that out too, huh?

Absolutely trasparent...

[Junkdrawer]

87. And it looks like we now have several low-count posters,,,

adopting this strategy.

[0rganism]

98. Do they get paid, or is it something they do just for fun?

If they're getting paid, well dammit, I want to get a job like that! Looks pretty cush to me.

[Patriot_Spear]

37. His first job was given to him by Bush 41- duh...

Jesus, when are people going to get it through their thick heads that this is about National Security- NOT politics.

The Bush* White House BETRAYED one of OUR spy's because they didn't like hearing the TRUTH about White House LIES.

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[Cooley Hurd]

46. Um... you missed the point of P_S's post...

Repugs are crying politics, not P_S.

I thought that was pretty obvious to even a 9th grader :eyes:

[Gin]

41. Whenever he is asked about the Frogmarch remark...he smiles...I

love that..the only way to beat these fools is to give it right back at them...way to go Joe!

[HootieMcBoob]

53. right...

He relishes it. He's happy to repeat it. In fact he corrects people when they misquote it. It cracks me up to hear the press dude say that he's backtracked on the Rove thing. He hates Rove and he loves repeating the frogmarch quote. :evilgrin:

[w4rma]

75. Who cares? He's not running for president or any other office.

But, even if he ever does he has my vote in spades, if his policy proposals are decent.

[joeprogressive]

54. Novak keeps looking over to the right every time he lies...

Is his lawyer standing over there off camera?

[Snellius]

63. I'm sure he's looking over his shoulder a lot lately

If not for a pissed off CIA agent then someone sent by the WH to make sure he doesn't reveal his sources.

[0rganism]

100. Wow, talk about taking it from both sides!

It sure would suck being anathema to one powerful group, and a potential nuisance to another.

Or maybe Joe Wilson's standing backstage waiting to kick his ass when the show ends.

[Junkdrawer]

56. I thought the contrast of Novak with Dana Priest (WP) was striking...

And she underlined the main point of her Sept 27 article: Senior people in the White House know that the outing of Plame was a political act that stepped over the line.

Here's a quote from the article:

Yesterday, a senior administration official said that before Novak's column ran, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife. Wilson had just revealed that the CIA had sent him to Niger last year to look into the uranium claim and that he had found no evidence to back up the charge. Wilson's account touched off a political fracas over Bush's use of intelligence as he made the case for attacking Iraq.

"Clearly, it was meant purely and simply for revenge," the senior official said of the alleged leak.

[Cush]

59. Dana is a guy

Lol, I always thought it was a woman until I saw him talking on TV the toher day

[Junkdrawer]

62. This is a guy???? I don't think so !

http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/aroundthetable/priest.html

[cally]

67. I laughed out loud when

they caught her look of disgust aimed at Novak when he tried to spin the why it's ok to sexually harrass and abuse women. She was pissed.

[Junkdrawer]

70. If MTP is any indication, the worm is clearly turning...

The RW thugs are losing their make-up BIGTIME. Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove and Bob Novak are becoming the face of the modern RW, and it ain't pretty.

[gulliver]

64. I think the guy is Dana Milbank.

I also saw a "Dana from the Wash. Post" on TV. I didn't know there were two Dana's until googling just now. Previously I just kept flipping "Dana's" gender back and forth in my mind every time I heard one of them referenced.

[realFedUp]

73. Dana was great

She was looking at Novak like he's lost any kind
of credibility as a "journalist".

I think Novak is just a ragwriter. Join Jill Stewart
in the freebie rags now Bob...your 15 minutes are up.

[Justice]

79. Dana Priest v. Bob Novak

Dana was deadly serious and acting like a real journalist. She said that the real story was being missed - that no one at CIA necessarily took Wilson's report as iron clad proof that Niger was NOT selling to Iraq (b/c Wilson was not an investigator, because of course Niger would deny it - she didn't say anything about the fact that Wilson was able to destroy the paper trail b/c of forgeries/lies etc).

She said that Kaye's report shows more conclusively/credibly that no one has been able to find a link between Niger/Iraq. Her point was why the extraodinary over the top outing of a CIA agent over a report that may or may not be true.

She kept going back to the fact that many bush supporters in the adminstration are upset that this outing went over the line.

[kentuck]

82. Was Wilson chosen to go to Niger because his wife worked with CIA or...

was he chosen because he had contacts and experience in that part of the world. It is my understanding that it is the latter...??

[Justice]

84. Experience

I always understood that Wilson went to Niger at the request of the VP's office (Cheney) because of his experience in Iraq and his support from Bush 41. I also understood he was able to easily show the Niger-Iraq sale story was completely bogus because the documents were signed by individuals who weren't in the capacity stated on the documents (they had been gone from that position for years) I don't know how we now question whether his report was accurate.

I assumed that Cheney didn't like what the report said, and he tried to make Wilson look bad.

[berry]

86. I'm pretty sure that Wilson said he never saw the forged docs or

proved that they were forgeries. His investigation concluded that the export of yellowcake clandestinely was next-to-impossible. Not an absolute "impossible", but a 99.99% impossible. But when the forgeries were exposed (by someone else), I'm sure that went to 100% certainty that the Niger "evidence" was a lie.

[NNN0LHI]

89. Wilson was once the US ambassador to Niger n/t

[leftchick]

90. I believe it was Gabon

but he traveled frequently to Niger.

[aquart]

92. Because people who commit treason for spite are out of control?

I confess, it would make me nervous if I were in the Bush camp. Who knows what ugly personal secret will come out next?

I say, Rush didn't annoy anyone in the WH, did he?

[juajen]

96. Hey, wouldn't it be funny

if they (the administration) outed limbaugh to get the press on another subject. You know, they had to know he was a druggie. Hell, maybe Rush was dropping off pills at the White House. Sure bought too damn many for just himself.

[aquart]

91. And six reporters refused to touch it?

Since I am very sure they were safe, carefully selected stooges who had been used before, I would love to know why.

[mandyky]

68. How long do transcripts take to get posted?

I was watching Cspan and missed MTP.

[lovedems]

69. We ought to thank the leaker for getting Wilson on our side

Somebody totally "misunderestimated" Wilson. I guess the party of family values wouldn't go to such extremes to defend their wives. Hell, Bellanger wouldn't even take his wife out to dinner, I highly doubt he would defend her honor! That was another reason listed for their divorce! The repugs become more of a joke everyday!

Wilson is another great voice this party needs right now and I for one am proud that he speaking out.

[Lindsay]

71. Wilson is a good role model.

Speak truth to power. And keep your cool while doing it.

[Junkdrawer]

72. I've said, Wilson should teach classes...

:kick:

[ronzo]

77. Kick n/t

[kentuck]

78. Novak looked like he was pointing his finger somewhere else....

mainly toward the CIA...

[alcuno]

93. Except the WP corroborates his story and points at the WH.

The Post story said that "a senior administration official said two top White House officials called at least 6 Washington journalists." This may corroborate what Novak said about "two senior administration officials."

It takes two, baby.

[grasswire]

80. Wilson's finest hour...

....prior to standing up against Bush, came when he was left behind in Iraq to protect American citizens still there when Desert Storm began.

"In 1990, while sheltering more than a hundred Americans at the U.S. Embassy and diplomatic residences, he briefed reporters while wearing a hangman’s noose instead of a necktie — a symbol of defiance after Hussein threatened to execute anyone who didn’t turn over foreigners.
The message, Wilson said: “If you want to execute me, I’ll bring my own rope.”

That's Joe Wilson. The next Secretary of State?

[realFedUp]

81. rumors are that Plame will have to be in a witness protection program

so she isn't harmed.

Maybe NoFacts should put her up in the guest room
since he owes her.

[eleny]

94. It's being reaired on MSNBC now

:kick: