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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:22 PM
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"The federal response to Katrina was not as portrayed" -- help me answer,
please! A non-thinking cow-irker sent me this. I don't even know where it's from.

The federal response to Katrina was not as portrayed

Sunday, September 11, 2005

It is settled wisdom among journalists that the federal response to the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina was unconscionably slow.

"Mr. Bush's performance last week will rank as one of the worst ever during a dire national emergency," wrote New York Times columnist Bob Herbert in a somewhat more strident expression of the conventional wisdom.

But the conventional wisdom is the opposite of the truth.

Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief. He notes that:

"The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne."

For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 2002. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three.

Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out.

So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history.

I write this column a week and a day after the main levee protecting New Orleans breached. In the course of that week:

More than 32,000 people have been rescued, many plucked from rooftops by Coast Guard helicopters.

The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans.

Shelter, food and medical care have been provided to more than 180,000 refugees.

Journalists complain that it took a whole week to do this. A former Air Force logistics officer had some words of advice for us in the Fourth Estate on his blog, Moltenthought:

"We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on 'Star Trek' in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering.

"The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network.

"You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region.

"No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above."

"You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere," van Steenwyk said.

Guardsmen need to receive mobilization orders; report to their armories; draw equipment; receive orders and convoy to the disaster area. Guardsmen driving down from Pennsylvania or Navy ships sailing from Norfolk can't be on the scene immediately.

Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks.

And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states.

Exhibit A on the bill of indictment of federal sluggishness is that it took four days before most people were evacuated from the Louisiana Superdome.

The levee broke Tuesday morning. Buses had to be rounded up and driven from Houston to New Orleans across debris-strewn roads. The first ones arrived Wednesday evening. That seems pretty fast to me.

A better question -- which few journalists ask -- is why weren't the roughly 2,000 municipal and school buses in New Orleans utilized to take people out of the city before Katrina struck?


Does anyone have FACTS, clear FACTS, that can take this on?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:26 PM
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1. The only facts you need
are that the governor declared a state of emergency, and bush pledged federal support, TWO DAYS before the storm was to hit. In other words, everything they're doing now should have been done two weeks ago!!!

:mad:
rocknation
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:28 PM
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2. Uhh...Andrew hit in 1992. That FEMA foul-up hurt Bush, Sr. in the election
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 02:29 PM by Roland99
That's why Clinton revamped FEMA once he took office.


That just sounds like a game of metrics. * likes to talk metrics. They do it all the time re: "reconstruction" in Iraq (which is now halted due to no funds). Tossing numbers out doesn't mean shit.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:44 PM
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10. Metrics?
I'm ignorant...
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 03:01 PM
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13. Performance numbers. In this case, flooding with stats = meaningless
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 03:01 PM
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14. Thank you.
Always an education. :)
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:30 PM
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3. Getting help there is one thing ....
utilizing it properly is quite another. FEMA didn't know what to do with the resources and didn't give orders to the people on the ground.

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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:36 PM
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4. Looks like talking points
to me. Why even answer this crap? Reminding people what they saw on their tv's then reminding them that subsequent rewriting of history is propaganda.

Then ask them how safe they feel in the event of a terrorist attack? Can they really trust this president's government to come to their aid? Or can they trust this government to cover their asses with talking points?
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:37 PM
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5. They didn't have to do everything. They just had to do something.
We have helicopters and even Paratroops. Why were they not deployed? The first contingent to reach Parrish County was the RCMP. And they came from Vancouver! They arrived on the second day the storm passed. The delays by FEMA were deliberate to politically embarrass a Dem Governor. But it all got out of hand when the levees actually broke.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:39 PM
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6. He conveniently leaves out Hurricane Floyd which resulted in
Clinton declaring a state of emergency and flying back to personally coordinate the response before the hurricane hit.

He came back not from a vacation as is the case with Herr Bush, but from a meeting with foreign dignitaries in New Zealand.

Last year, during an election year, Bush himself was on scene 2 days after a hurrican hit handing out water for a photo op.

Those are FACTS.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:40 PM
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7. Yes, there are facts
Go to the post in my sig.. that thread is full of Katrina facts and talking points.

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URGENT yet easy! Hold the government accountable for Katrina's aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4736062
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:44 PM
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8. Didn't China successfully evacuate 305,000 in the face of a hurricane?
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 02:44 PM by jpgray
http://www.geo.tv/main_files/world.aspx?id=88121

Shouldn't we at least be able to match China? Yeah, mass evacuations can be done. Bush & crew just weren't up to doing it. As for the examples of other hurricanes, since NO was an anticipated disaster listed as one of the most potentially catastrophic, that Bush only moved as fast or marginally faster than in past hurricanes is evidence of his incompetence, not an argument against it. This was way more potentially dangerous than Andrew, so "the federal government pretty much met its standard time lines" shouldn't be a vote of confidence to anyone. That people were left to die in nursing homes and hospitals with no chance of rescue for days and days is a failure on every level of government, especially the federal level because that is where the most resources lie.
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:44 PM
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9. This timeline is a good resource:
http://www.thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline

The article has at least a few facts wrong. The levees were topped on Sunday and at least one breached on Monday. USS Bataan was in place in the Gulf, not traveling from PA. And what is up with no mention whatsoever of FEMA in this article? Sure, there's a lot about the NG, but not even one word about the blatant obstructionism of FEMA?


Snopes has a discussion of the bus question.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/buses.asp
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:52 PM
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11. thanks, tofunut -- and EVERYONE. keep more answers/sources coming!
thank you
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:56 PM
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12. The feds didn't know about the depleted resources of NO first responders
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 03:09 PM by MissMarple
and the plight of the people at the Super Dome and the convention center, in this, they were negligent. They ignored the pleas of officials and the reporting media, in this they were derelict in their duties, if not criminally negligent. They left people to die.

This was a failure of government, primarily at the national level, because they have the resources the cities and states lack. The Department of Homeland Security has the responsibility to organize coherent and timely response to national disaster of any kind. The Department was incapable in doing this.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?theme=13

I'll see if I can find the comment of the general in charge of Northern Command (NorthCom) saying they had prepared the week before, were ready to hit the ground running, but were waiting for the necessary word from George to go forward. They got that word sometime Thursday, Sept. 1.

Here you go archived at the Washington Monthly.

Damning, actually.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_09/007054.php

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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 03:16 PM
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15. Here is little more, Kelly backtracks.
Who would have thought? :shrug: But check out the video.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/5167.html
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 04:28 PM
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16. What about the aid that was turned away?
I'm not talking about Cuba, I'm thinking about Chicago's offer to help, and several others from around the country.
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