Malloy on Randi Show About Clinton

[rsmith6621]

Did anyone hear Malloy on the Randi Rhodes show call Bill Clinton nothing but a corporate shill........I think that statment is far more offensive than Clinton being caught in a lie with his Cheney in someones mouth and his pants down.

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. I know that many here just love Malloy

but he is a bit extreme for my taste.

[LittleClarkie]

7. I realized that when he spouted something about Kerry I knew was

simply not true. Can't remember what it was anymore, but I seem to remember being struck by how much it sounded like what some Repubs were saying about Kerry at the time. Great. Just what I want to hear from my side. Sometimes I think the far left and the far right come close enough to each other around the other side of the spectrum that that they could go bowling.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. LOL

Yes, the extremists on the left are often as 'out there' as the RW extremists.

[marbuc]

17. A bit too extreme for me as well

I like his passion, but he is too rigidly idealistic (and unforgiving) for my tastes.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

2. Clinton was too slick and cautious for an idealist like Malloy

Too each his own.......I wish the man was still in charge.

[Catherine Vincent]

3. Malloy says a lot about Clinton and other democrats.

It's basically his opinion and he's being honest. I don't agree with him always but I just love Mike Malloy. I also love President Clinton.

[noahmijo]

8. Yup me too

Malloy is without a doubt my fav of all left wing personalities but I can't say I agree with 100% of what he says....if I did that would technically make me a cultist.

The Gospel of Malloy is fantastic and filled with hysterical, sad, and factual moments, but hey you know you can still disagree with someone from time to time and love em anyway.

[TheDebbieDee]

10. I feel the same way, Cat_girl. I love both Mike Malloy

and Bill Clinton and I feel conflicted whenever I hear MM say anything bad about Clinton.

I guess it's like being the kid of divorced parents and hearing one parent say something bad about the other parent.

[springhill]

32. I used to love Clinton also.........

but that feeling has slowly dwindled over the last few years. I just don't trust him anymore, but then I feel that way about a lot of the Democrats. As Robert Kenned Jr. said, about 95% of Republicans are corrupt, and 75% of Democrats. I mean, come on, there is a reason why so many Democrats are silent in the face of the corruption we are now experiencing; because they are a part of it.

[sandnsea]

4. Good strategy

Bush is on the mat, let's go fight in a different ring.

:argh:

[LittleClarkie]

11. Rather like the "But it's the Democrats fault too" sentiments

we've been seeing here as well.

Apparently it's much more fun to go after ourselves than it is to go after "them".

Maybe it's a family thing. You attack those closest to you. Maybe. But it often sucks swamp water through a straw.

[bobbieinok]

5. Malloy dislikes a lot about Clinton....when he was on WLS in Chicago

(kicked off altho he led his time slot)

Malloy constantly argued with his callers over Kosovo-- he was completely opposed to the war.....he pointed out there would be lots of rebuilding needed (sound familiar) and spent a lot of time talking about the depleted uranium that would damage the land and people for a long time

he, like many on DU, thought he was the best republican president in a long time

[tocqueville]

24. He was mostly right even if I disagree on the purpose

stopping Milosevic was right

but the way it was done was wrong (sorry Wesley). The Air war sent back Serbia 50 years in time and resulted in big environmental damage.

The damage inflicted to the Serbian army was minimal.

The Serbs gave up because the Russians forced them to.

Besides all the shitjob on the ground was done by Europeans (which is OK) and the US participation on the ground was/is minimal (4000 soldiers out of 50 000).

The Albanian question hasn't been settled yet, it's a bit like Cyprus. It will take many, many years...

[Skwmom]

30. Clark didn't want to do all of the air strikes.

However, the higher-ups (I guess that would include the commander-in-chief) wouldn't approve ground troops.

[mzmolly]

6. "corporate shill..."

Wow! what original - thoughtful language. :eyes:

Give me that corporate shill over just about any President we've ever had thank ya very much!

[femrap]

16. Bill was pro-business....

Gave us NAFTA....did you forget that? Also got rid of Welfare...in other words, if you don't have an abortion and are single, you are shit out of luck cuz there ain't no child care nor health care. Why didn't he just tie men's dicks in a knot (including his) and abortions then would be RARE.

Shit, anyone is better than what we have now...my cat could make better decisions than W....but let's face it....Bill was repuke lite....is that all we are working for these days?

Is the Democratic Party going to become some quasi-religious hypocrital entity that appeals to people who haven't read a book in the last year?

Sometimes I think it would be best if the US were 2 separate countries....the religious hypocrits and those who believe in separation of church and state.

[mzmolly]

26. No I didn't "forget" shit. Have YOU?

Have you forgotten what Clinton did for this country?

He increased jobs by tens of millions, lowered crime, signed the FMLA, increased student loan availability, expanded pell grants, improved water and air quality, paid down the deficit, balanced the budget, lowered poverty, lowered unemployment - to it's lowest in three decades, increased the minimum wage, and on and on and on ...

Also, Clinton did not "get rid of" welfare. He signed welfare reform limiting the number of years a person can collect under normal circumstances. He also provided child care opportunities and jobs to cushion that bill. Additionally, he "expanded" health care a great deal.

And, wtf does religion have to do with this discussion? I'm not the one suggesting tying people's dicks in knots. And, I read quite a few books thanks.

There is no such thing as a perfect Human or President, but Clinton was an excellent one.

For the record, I am not a fan of NAFTA or Welfare Reform perse, but Clinton provided a balance. And were NAFTA actually enforced as it was meant to be, we might be doing alright in that regard?

More on what Clinton accomplished:
http://pearlyabraham.tripod.com/htmls/bill-legacy2.html

[gort]

27. don't forget the Telecommunications Act of 1996

Clinton made consolidation of ownership what it is today by signing that piece of crap.

Admit it, Clinton was the best Republican President this country ever had.

[mzmolly]

31. Don't forget the lowest poverty rate in three decades.

Clinton was in office for eight years and among his many great accomplishments was a handful of compromise. Imagine that.

[Pepperbelly]

38. Some of our liberal brethern do not care about that at all ..

it's not as important as X.

That fucking X is what matters.

[tsuki]

41. From my viewpoint, I must agree. He did cut child care, and

programs to help children, and we were bleeding jobs with NAFTA even then. The platform was somewhat too right for me then.

[mzmolly]

44. Clinton "expanded" child care, and programs to help children along with

creating millions of jobs.

[Minstrel Boy]

12. Which former President is Barbara Bush's "other son"?

Malloy speaks truth to power, even when it hurts. Which is when it must be spoken the loudest.

[LittleClarkie]

13. I've often wondered why Biden's hair plugs are such a concern to some

and Malloy's overly teased combover is not.

We only care about the hair of those we dislike, I suppose. Or else why would Kerry's expensive haircut matter to anyone.

[LeftyMom]

21. Well Malloy's on the radio

which is good, he'd look godawful on tv. Unfortunately in this era politicians have to look good (or at least decent) on tv to do well. When they look bad (the one example that comes to mind is Richard Pearle??? and his comb-licking) it opens them up to ridicule and distracts from what they're saying.

[Eric J in MN]

14. I felt that way about Bill Clinton before the GWB years.

Now Bill Clinton seems wonderful.

[firefox]

15. Clinton was a shill or he was not

He does have NAFTA going against him. Now here we have a very crucial point that should not be glossed over because of how it relates to the reality of the country. The biggest question that should be before the American people is "Are we a fascist country?" I think we are well over the line, not that things can get worse and are all but destined to get worse.

I only have two bookmarks for Clinton and one of them is this piece that was very educational on Clinton- http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair03062004.html

[LittleClarkie]

18. Gak. Counterpunch. Sorry. I can't abide them

Like going to a NewsMax for the left.

I prefer Raw Story or Truthout.

[Pepperbelly]

39. counterpunch ... imo ... is shit ...

Overblown, hysterical nonsense on the articles of theirs I have examined. I cannot help but believe that those few articles are not unique. Cherry-picked quotations and other dishonest techniques. Fuck counterpunch.

[LSU_Subversive]

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[tocqueville]

20. The mosquito and the hammer

"And we've barely begun to reckon with the war machine that we created to fight the Soviet Union and that continued intact when the Soviet Union disappeared. Of course, that was the revelation at the end of the Cold War when the threat went away and our response didn't change. This isn't a partisan argument, because the person who presided over the so-called peace dividend which never came was Bill Clinton; the person who presided over the time when we could have dismantled our nuclear arsenal, or at least shrunk it to reasonable levels (as even conservative military theorists wish we had done) was Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton was the person who first undercut the ideas of the International Criminal Court, the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. When George Bush became president, he stepped into space created for him by Bill Clinton. This isn't to demonize Clinton. It's just to show that our political system had already been corrupted by something we weren't reckoning with - and the shorthand for that something was "the Pentagon"."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GI13Aa01.html

[ConsAreLiars]

22. The truth hurts, I guess.

What makes you think that Clinton, "the best Republican president ever," was NOT a corporate shill? There are the velvet glove and iron fist versions of corporate domination, and he was a master of the former. See NAFTA, see the continued growth in income disparity. I prefer the velvet glove and the hints of social progress, but that doesn't change his fundamental role. What has he done since to suggest any other loyalties?

[confludemocrat]

28. Then there's the 1996 or 1997 Telecommunications Act, a giveaway of the

airwaves to media concentration, a bigger powershift for a generation in reality and as guaranteed to make Democrats the minority party for a generation as the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1965 were ever predicted to do. At least those Acts were a force of good for the nation.

[howmad1]

23. Did ya ever wonder........

....what this country would have been like if Bubba kept his dick in his pants. Maybe Al Gore would have won by a landslide with the help of Bubba and because of eight years of peace and prosperity. Jeeze, maybe everything bad that has happened in the last 4 1/2 years is really Clinton and his penis' fault. ;(

[depakid]

25. He's telling the truth!

Clinton is a coporate shill! Big time.

Who's the guy who got NAFTA through and put Micheal Powell on the FCC?

and that's just for starters...

He did as much to hurt the future of the party and progressive causes than a lot of Republicans.

[Armstead]

29. Clinton is a corporate shill -- Always has been

The corporations didn't take over government when Bush got into office. The US had been sold out before that, and Clinton and the other centrist Democrats helped turn the keys over to them.

Bush was only able to push us so farin that direction because of the groundwork that was laid by centrist Democrats as well as republicans before 2000.

Clinton had a great opportunity to turn around the existing trend towards Corporate Fascism and restore economic democracy in the 1990's but he blew it.

[jmatthan]

33. This weeks ratings of Liberal Talk Shows

viewed from their "talking points" as a liberal non- American, non-European, non-white, non-black, non-Muslim, non-Jew, listening outside of the US and getting a feel of how liberal Americans feel:

1. Mike Malloy
2. Bernie Ward
3. Thom Hartmann
4. Peter Werbe
5. Guy James
6. Ray Taliferro
7. Ring of Fire
8. Lizz Brown
9. Stephanie Miller
10. Mike Webb
11. Tony Trupiano
12. John Rothmann
13. Mark Levine
14. Young Turks

Randi Rhodes is not on this weeks list.

Mike Malloy remains the absolute top as his control of the mike and issues is unsurpassed.

It would be interesting to know from benburch how these stand on the downloads.

[Andromeda]

34. Malloy represents the radical-left...

and his rhetoric is too extreme for my taste. He mostly rants and raves and calls people names instead of expressing himself in cogent, convincing ways.

His purpose is mainly to keep the fires of anger stoked against the Bush administration.

IMHO, the extreme-left wing of the Democratic party is just as off-the-wall as the extreme-right wing. There's really not too much difference between them.

[B Calm]

37. Just call me radical! Malloy is the Jimmy Hendrix of talk!

If you can't handle the truth, don't listen!

[rman]

46. If Malloy is radical, it is because reality is radical.

What's radical about "people first", instead of "corporations first"? The latter is pervasive in Western culture, and the consequences are pretty radical: a large part of the population belong to the "working poor", social services, environmental- and worker protection are insufficient. And it's getting worse all the time - just a little less so under Clinton.

[reprehensor]

35. I heard the show.

I don't recall him saying 'nothing but a corporate shill', but I was driving home, only half-paying attention to his rant.

Malloy rants, it's uncut, that's his style.

Malloy also said that he didn't disagree with all of Clinton's policies.

Did Clinton 'shill' for corporations? The DLC is practically his baby, isn't it?

Let's see, WWCS? (What Would Chomsky Say?)

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199401--.htm

Clinton's Bottom Line

President Clinton denounced the "naked pressure" and "real roughshod, muscle-bound tactics" of organized labor, "the raw muscle, the sort of naked pressure that the labor forces have put on." They even resorted to "pleading...based on friendship" and "threatening...based on money and work in the campaign" when they approached their elected representatives. Never would a corporate lobbyist sink that low; those who believe otherwise merely reveal themselves to be "Marxists" or "conspiracy theorists," terms that are the cultivated equivalent of four-letter words or a punch in the nose, a last resort when you can't think of an argument. Front-page stories featured the President's call to Congress "to resist the hardball politics" of the "powerful labor interests." Business was reeling from the onslaught, unable to face the terror of the mob. At the outer limits of dissent, Anthony Lewis berated the "backward, unenlightened" labor movement for the "crude threatening tactics" it employed to influence Congress, motivated by "fear of change and fear of foreigners."

In a lead editorial the day before the vote, the Times courageously confronted the "raw muscle," denouncing local Democrats who oppose NAFTA in fear of "the wrath of organized labor" with its powerful political action committees that "contribute handsomely to their election campaigns." A box within the editorial headed "Labor's Money" records labor contributions to NAFTA opponents in the New York City area -- "an unsettling pattern," the editors observe ominously.2

As some aggrieved representatives and others noted, the Times did not run a box listing corporate contributions. Nor did it list Times advertisers and owners who support NAFTA, raising ominous questions about their editorial support for the bill, perhaps an instance of an "unsettling pattern." Such reactions are not to the point, however, for several reasons. First, information about corporate lobbyists, owners and advertisers would be irrelevant, since conformity of government and editorial policy to their views is the natural order. And if the hysteria about the improprieties of working people was a bit crass, it is after all understandable in a moment of panic, when the mob is practically at the gates. Furthermore, after endless wailing about the terrifying power of labor and the unfair uses to which it was put, the Times did run a front-page story revealing the truth: Michael Wines, "Off Stage, Trade Pact Lobby Had a Star's Dressing Room."

The corporate lobbyists, Wines reported, were "Chamber of Commerce types, accountants, trade consultants," who "occupied a stately conference room on the first floor of the Capitol, barely an elevator ride away from the action in the House chamber," with TV sets, cellular telephones, and other appurtenances in abundance, and celebrities everywhere. The picture was enough to convince a former Carter official, now a lobbyist, that "It's going to be a blowout." A look at labor's "raw muscle" only reinforced the conclusion: "The boiler room for the forces opposed to the pact, by contrast, was more of, well, a boiler room," a "barren hearing room" far from the House debate, with only one telephone, "basic black." "The dress was union-label, inexpensive suits and nylon jackets inscribed with numbers and insignias of various locals." Wines even spoke the usually forbidden words "class lines," referring to the "nastier and more divisive battle" over NAFTA, unlike the "previous two battles," which left no scars: the battle over the $19 billion stimulus (quickly lost) and the tax and spending cuts.

'Nothing but a corporate shill.'

A little harsh.

'...far more offensive than Clinton being caught in a lie with his Cheney in someones mouth and his pants down.'

The difference is, I don't give a f*ck where Clinton stuck his dick.

I give a f*ck when entire companies relocate to Mexico to take advantage of cheap labor, leaving middle-class Americans and Canadians in the dust to work at WAL-MART.

[ladylibertee]

36. Who the helck is this Randi Rhodes dude? I never heard of him.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

40. Randi Rhodes is not a Dude. She does a talk radio show on

Air America Radio, and I think she rocks!

http://therandirhodesshow.com

[tim allan w]

43. she's getting lipo

she is getting liposuction this week, so Mike Malloy is filling in for her. Both programs can be heard on www.airamericaradio.com

[Algorem]

42. didn't he die in a plane crash?

[rman]

47. You mean you don't listen to Air America Radio?

www.airamericaradio.com

www.airamericaplace.com

[ClevelandSportsCurse]

45. Bill did play golf with Ken Lay in 1996...

after Bill, in late 1995, helped Enron secure the rights to build a power plant in Dabhol, India.

There were a lot of good things Clinton did as president and I certainly would love to have him instead of *, but let's be honest with ourselves and face the fact that he was one of the principal members of the DLC, which is the pro-corporate, Republican-lite wing of the party. Clinton often did some liberal things at the dismay of the DLC, but he also gave them plenty of cookies too.

Also, a lot of economic numbers look great for him because the stock market bubbled and was overvalued in the late 90's. This generated lots of capital gains taxes, thus in combination with reduced spending, a budget surplus arose. That bubble would burst a few years later. A new bubble has been reinflated by Greenspan and the stock market is now in a similar position as the late 90's, but it's even worse now because the "recovery" of the last few years has been largely debt based and due to *'s economic and tax policies of favoring the rich, the middle class is far more strained and is eroding fast.

As much as I think Bill was a good president, we are living with the adverse consequences of NAFTA, WTO, and the Telecommunications Act today.

My opinion of Bill has gone down in the last few years because of how he has sucked up to the Republicans and *. I would not expect Bill to criticize * because ex-presidents typically don't do that kind of thing, but he has gone to the point where he shills for * and his family.

[SaveElmer]

48. Malloy is a loudmouth hack...with little constructive to say...

I usually find him very offensive...even when he is right on something!

[robbedvoter]

49. I prefer Randi, but Malloy is very good on war and a few other topics

On others he is kinda naive, like the idiots that followed Nader around.
I listen to him selectively - basically a good guy who doesn't get it all.

[paulk]

50. first time I got a chance to listen to him

when he started ranting at the one listener - something about not wanting Republicans to realize they were wrong about Bush and vote Democrat - that and his clinton bashing - he showed himself as just other blowhard demagogue.