well forgive me for being an optimistic DUer

[toey]

90% plus of you DUers are bashing people who think what the chimp did was positive in any way.

We're optimists, not idiots and screw you people who are calling us that!

I'm not by any means saying I support the guy, it is shocking to all of us that he came out and said he's taking responsibility.

So much for the democratic party being all-inclusive. pfft

[Seen the light]

1. It's just more politics from him

If it had any meaning to it at all, it would be one thing. It obviously doesn't.

[tx_dem41]

2. We'll forgive you.

;)

[toey]

3. thank you, i truly appreciate your forgiveness

;)

[libertypirate]

10. If he was really taking responsibility it wouldn't be...

with prepared remarks.

Bush is a whore there is no two ways about it.

[tx_dem41]

20. I'm not involved in this fight....Just trying to bring a wee bit of levity

to the forum.

[Child_Of_Isis]

4. ruh roh!

:popcorn:

[Raster]

5. put on those rose colored glasses and have another glass of kool-aid.

[SmokingJacket]

6. No way, I think it's great!

I just think it's meaningless unless the accepting of responsibility is connected to some kind of action.

Now that he realizes that the Buck Stops with him, he can start making some positive changes, right? Good!

(Sometimes when I get in an argument with my husband I'll say, "You're right, it's my fault!" just to piss him off and end the conversation. It's not really effective...)

[Whoa_Nelly]

24. Bush realizes nothing!

Bush said. "I want to know what went right and what went wrong."

This is too similar to his statement regarding the outing of Valerie Plame. By stating he "takes responsibility" means absolutely nothing beyond trying to exert more damage control, and to take the focus off the real issues involved in how badly things went went wrong and how he totally fucked up. In part, the hidden response is that it's NOT HIS FAULT! This also could represent the preface to a completely partisan investigation that he wants to head; the statement of him leading an investigation re: Katrina that has pretty much disappeared from the WH media spin when he first stated this is what he wanted. Don't fool yourself for a minute that this more than likely Roverian tactic has been forgotten as part of a larger plan that is in the works.

As is par for the course, and well worth paying attention to, is that whatever this asswipe says, he means and/or does the opposite. This has been his MO in the political arena, as well as his personal life, for many years.

[Blue_In_AK]

77. If he was really taking responsibility, he'd resign...

[Connie_Corleone]

7. 90% is a bit high.

If he really meant it, then Bush was speaking off the cuff and Rove is still recovering from his surgery.

[BBradley]

8. No, you're gullible.

How, after all these years, you believe * would actually take responsibility for a god damned thing he's done is beyond me. * didn't give anything but words to the country. That's all he's been good at doing his entire Presidency. When he stands infront of congress under charges of impeachment then we can finally believe him when he says he's fucking taking responsibility.

[Mr_Spock]

28. He needed to use those words

Even if he's not sincere, it was the right thing to do - for the people of NO and the country. I said he has to do it (like millions of others) and he did. Case closed, he gets a day of respect. But only one day...

[0rganism]

9. First, you must brrring us a shrrrrubbery! (Ni! Ni!)

So how do you propose to hold chimpy to his acceptance of full responsibility for the NOLA holocaust?

You must find the tallest tree in the forest and chop it down... WITH A HERRING! (Ni!)

[cry baby]

11. What is shocking is that you would believe a word out of his mouth.

He has lied too many times about life and death issues, and you believe him now? How is that "optimistic"?

If you are a member of the democratic party, you already know that there are lots of disagreements between dems. We aren't lockstep like the repukes. If you are a dem, you should know that.

[AlCzervik]

12. Heres the thing with Bush and his statement today--for me

He never takes responsibility for anything ever so seeing him comeout now and try and own it just seems---to me---many years late and many lives short. I'm not going to pass judgement on what others DU'ers think about what he said i'm just telling you how i felt about it.

[eleny]

13. Just remember that everything this WH does is political

That's how the WH is run. Rove reigns supreme on how policy is conducted and he's the political arm of the administration. W's taking responsibility is a calculated, politcal act.

I didn't see anyone call the optimists "idiots". I saw disagreement. And I disagree with your position. I believe that you're misinformed about how W and Rove operate based on observing them for 5 years. And I'm not buying this latest ploy for a minute. It's on a par with WMDs in Iraq. It's a lie.

[beam me up scottie]

14. Whatever optimism I had left drowned in NOLA.

But you're more than welcome to hang on to yours.

[Ninga]

15. I'm sorry dear (in my best Mrs. Doubtfire voice) but try

telling that to the families of the 1800 plus who have lost their lives in his illegal, horrible war.

He HAD his chance, no more mulligans.

This guy is a murderer, lier, and pathological nut case.

Any Questions?

edit for typo

[Mr_Spock]

25. Katrina was in THAT gulf??

Hmmm, I thought is was on American soil - my mistake.

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Hon, he's LYING. Remember this.

When a repuke says something, ANYTHING, the opposite is TRUE. If you remember that, you will never fall for their bullshit. THEY ARE LIARS.

The man has NEVER, EVER taken responsibility for ANYTHING in his life that he has done wrong. WHY???? would he start now? How old is the idiot? 50 something? Come on. He's not serious.

[movie_girl99]

17. if we actually thought it was sincere

it would indeed be positive but we all (or most of us) know it's bullshit. It's Rove with his hand up shrubs ass once again telling him what to say and do. You probably believe he didn't know anything in advance about FEMA horse man resigning either.

[SteppingRazor]

Yes, admitting responsibility for one's actions is positive...

And if Bush was serious about this, I'd be right there with you, commending him for it. But since his statement is nothing but a shameless con job to dupe the unwary and get his poll numbers back up, I'm not buying it.
Saying you "accept responsibility" when you really don't do anything of the sort is not positive. It's more lying to America. Just the latest example.
If there was any justice in the world, Bush would be tarred, feathered, and tossed into the Potomac.

[berni_mccoy]

18. Being Optimistic would mean hoping Bush is about to Resign.

Nothing the Chimp does beyond that would be positive.

[Solly Mack]

19. hope springs eternal

cept I'm an old cynic

[On the Road]

21. Personally, I Suspect Brown Was Serious

and understands the depth of his failure.

I think Bush is concered only with politics. But none of us have a crystal ball.

[Beelzebud]

22. What has Bush done to earn our trust?

Name one fucking thing.

[Mr_Spock]

23. I said " he has to take responsibility" - he did. I have to give him credit

I never thought that he would take ANY responsibility for his (government) actions EVER. He did. I give him begrudging respect today - 'cause I am a man of my word and principals. The crazies here make us all look bad - and it makes me sick to my stomach that some people can't pause for a second to give a small amount of credit where credit is due...

[cry baby]

26. He's lying, just saying those things cause his poll #s

are in the basement.

No respect from me as he is a murderer, liar, and manipulator.

I'm sorry you have a stomach ache.

BTW, don't call us crazies!:grr:

[Mr_Spock]

32. "US"? Do you have a guilty conscience? I was speaking generally...

I don't care if he's lying, it was the right thing to do and almost everyone here was criticizing him for NOT doing it (making a statement accepting PERSONAL responsibility). If you can't even give him a single begrudging moment of respect for his statement today (sincere or not), then I feel sorry for you. Even I will give my enemies credit when they have momentary glimpses of coherent thought (very rare for sure). I will not lower myself to this level even though I hate the man's guts.

[cry baby]

41. You are intimating that anyone that doesn't give * credit for

saying the right thing is a "crazie". You said "The crazies here make us all look bad - and it makes me sick to my stomach that some people can't pause for a second to give a small amount of credit where credit is due."

I am not going to give him credit for anything except destruction. I never called for him to accept responsibility. I lay the responsibility at his feet. I don't need for him to falsely say "I am responsible" as I know that is all politics.

How is just saying empty words again and again worth a moment of respect. He has cried "wolf" too many times.

[Mr_Spock]

47. I am not forgiving all his sins damn it!!! I am acknowledging that is was

the RIGHT THING TO DO!!!! These are my ethics - it would be unethical for me to keep shouting "HOW COME HE WON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING!!!" and then when he makes a statement stating such then scream "HE'S FUCKING LYING ANYWAY!!". I may believe that he's lying and insincere, but I will NOT attack a person who's back is toward me for 5 minutes. I will at least wait until he turns back at me after he reloads.

[cry baby]

51. I understand that you're not forgiving all his sins,

I just don't see how empty words make everything better.

I am not attacking him. I'm just saying that his words mean nothing to me. I have given him the responsibility because it is in my power to do so whether or not he says that "to the extent...I take responsibility". His empty words mean nothing.

Please give him credit if you wish, but I am not crazy or wallowing in the gutter because I choose not to believe him.

[Mr_Spock]

55. "I just don't see how empty words make everything better"

C'mon with the rhetoric. :D I didn't say that it was going to make "everything better" - I simply said that I refuse to shoot the man in the back or kick him while he's down. That is all. And I will only acknowledge this in posts pertaining to this subject, I'm not going out of my way to state this. And tomorrow, after he's reloaded his gun, all bets are off...

[yodermon]

63. .

:popcorn:

[Mr_Spock]

65. Hey, gimme some of that popcorn

:D

[BBradley]

34. I'm so sorry if we can't give any respect to a murderer.

I'll give him respect when he stands infront of congress, and actually takes responsibility for his actions (Katrina, Iraq, 9/11, etc.)instead of just saying it.

[Mr_Spock]

40. There is a difference between acknowledging a right action

versus changing one's opinion of the man. I will hate his guts 'till the day I die, but the day I can't acknowledge when my enemy has a moment (rare indeed) of humility (even if he isn't sincere), is the day I will take my own life. People of this board are scary today - uggh!

[BBradley]

44. Well it's good to know that your fellow DUers are crazies and scary today

because they don't believe his faux acceptance is worth a moment of consideration.

[Mr_Spock]

48. I am simply stating that we yelled for this repeatedly

My ethical standards tell me that I should pause while his back is turned toward me while he reloads. Tomorrow is another day - he did what I asked so I will give him a day of respite.

[BBradley]

50. We screamed for him to take responsibility.

He hasn't done that yet.

[Mr_Spock]

52. Well, he made a statement that sounded like an admission of mistake

and it allowed for him to be the one making the mistake. I have to stick to my ethical standards, even for my enemies. Sorry. He get's a day off from bashing here. Just one day though...

[Greyhound]

27. I agree that, by definition, DUer's are not idiots.

However, many here, just as in the rest of the country, are far too willing to champion the most minor concessions/events as a triumph of democratic principles. This is a case in point, he has made a heavily qualified statement that leaves a huge hole for him to get out of it when the fecal matter hits the air circulation device, and we're falling all over ourselves to praise his honesty. Wake the fuck up. This is just like his photo-ops, all show with no effect.

[cry baby]

30. I find the fact that DUers believe him seriously scary!

Proves the sales job is working.

[Child_Of_Isis]

35. Who is saying that they believe him? eom

[cry baby]

45. see here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4756558&mesg_id=4756558

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4757930

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4757727&mesg_id=4757727

[Child_Of_Isis]

53. They didn't say that they believed him. eom

[cry baby]

54. puleeez

[Mr_Spock]

36. Who is saying that they believe him??

It's a matter of making a public statement FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who give's a fuck if he's sincere or not. This is country over politics - I still hate him!

[meisje]

29. Hook, Line and Sinker

[jokerman93]

31. Be careful amigo

Maybe you need to back up and look at the big picture.

We aren't dealing with politics as usual here. George Bush is the front man/marketing rep for a rapacious, insidious, and totalitarian cabal that has only their own interests at heart. Those interests include annihilating their opposition (you, me, us), acquisition of total political control of this country and its resources, dismantling and sale of the government infrastructure to private corporations, undermining the separation of powers in government, the prosecution of generational wars for profit, retraction of constitutional rights and protection for women, minorities and the poor; pandering to theocratic "end-timer" wackos; total information control through the televised corporate media...Shall I continue?

You've never been sucker punched have you?

[Raster]

37. Preach on my brother, preach on. Let's examine bushco*'s record

for telling the truth: woefully abysmal. Chance he actually means what he says: the same.

[VOX]

33. In the real world, an honest apology is respected, but this is BushWorld.

And the apology, or "taking responsibility," is as calculated as a ship-in-a-bottle.

His numbers are tanking, and the media has been uncharacteristically bold in taking him on for this disaster.

Remember, this man has been repeatedly coached to say **whatever** is expedient to counter the nosedive he's in. There's no genuine emotion in it.

A robot would have more compassion.

[Mr_Spock]

38. Calculated or not, it was what we were clamoring for.

We got what we wanted, let's just be in shock for a moment and move on. It ain't gonna help him much in the long run, but it was the right thing to do - even if it was a day late and a dollar shoet and I still hate his guts to boot...

[pnorman]

39. Last week, he asked querulously and cluelessly: "What went wrong?"

This week, he's taking what Nixon's advisers would have termed a "modified limited hangout". This is clearly Rovian spin. Professional negligence resulting in death(s) is HOMICIDE. Reportedly, body bags numbering in the TENS of thousands are or have been ordered. Lets hope that most will end up returned to the supplier, but I'm not all that optimistic.

Brother "toey", I too strive for fairness and balance, and I applaud your motives. But this CREEP has gone too far. Already, a CNN poll shows that ~70% of respondents want MORE officials to follow Brownie's example. But you're right ... criticism of Bush should be both factual and restrained. Nothing more should be necessary ... its past the Tipping Point, and Gravity should do the rest.

pnorman

[Misunderestimator]

42. Oh please. There could not be one positive thing that man does without an

ulterior motive... and given his history... the ulterior motive will end up resulting in a lot of innocent death.

Why would you even START to trust a man like that? I guess you would take it as a positive sign if Charles Manson were to admit what HE's done.

[lectrobyte]

43. Bashing? Haven't seen any bashing. Lots of analysis and comments

but no bashing.

[Mr_Spock]

56. Funny

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

We bash him every day - and especially in this post - but now we're doing "lots of analysis and commentary" :rofl:

[lectrobyte]

59. I was referring to the OP's allegation of bashing from DUers because they

are optimistic etc., not our treatment of *

[in_cog_ni_to]

60. What? He doesn't deserve to be bashed after what he's done to this country

If anyone deserves to be bashed, it's the idiot.

[Mr_Spock]

64. I never bash him.

Go look at 80% of my nearly 6000 posts. I was merely stating that I can acknowledge when my enemy has a moment of humility (or at least pretends to).

[in_cog_ni_to]

66. Well, I DO bash him...with PLEASURE. He deserves it.

:)

[Mr_Spock]

67. Oh, did I forget the dripping sarcasm smiley?

:sarcasm:

I love bashing Bush - he's a vile mass-murdering war criminal. If my sig was on you could click on "nation of ass-holes" - a song that says it all for me :D

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. You DID forget the dripping sarcasm tag.

:spank:

:P

[Mutley]

46. We're just very frustrated...

Most of us know this is just a ploy to boost his poll numbers, and for us to see some of our own drinking the kool-aid is very sad and very frustrating. We know that if some of far left DU are falling for it, then most of the rest of the country will fall for it also.

[Mr_Spock]

58. We're simply acknowledging that we asked for this repeatedly

...and we have to begrudgingly admit that he showed a tiny bit of humility today. Tomorrow he's public enemy #1. Today he get's respite for doing what we've been asking for all along.

[Vickers]

49. Don't misconstrue disagreement for bashing.

:eyes:

[ima_sinnic]

57. whatever. you're free to believe any BS you want to believe

... but excuse the rest of us for pointing out to you that it's BS.

how in #@(*%& anyone could believe * could have an instantaneous "epiphany," a 180-degree "turnaround," is beyond me.

[Mr_Spock]

62. No, we are acknowledging that he did the right thing for ONCE

...and that we have been bashing him to pieces to come out and show just the tinyest bit of humility. I will be consistent and admit that he did what I asked of him. He get's a day off from me.

[Pithy Cherub]

61. Um, "you DUers"? That's rich...

[nini]

68. No.. screw you for saying 'screw you people'

:wtf:

You're in the wrong place if you can't understand why most people disagree with you.

[Name removed]

71. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[titoresque]

72. I wont call you an idiot but....

I will call you toe-jam toey......and I'm rubber and you're glue, and NA-NA-NA-NA-NA....:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Sorry....it seemed appropriate.

[nini]

73. Where did I call you an idiot?

Your 'screw you' comments are so fucking juvenile it's ridiculous.


My point to you was you tell those who disagree with you to screw off when dumbass says he's sorry. If you cannot see this then I suggested this was not the place for you. I won't give the guy an inch until he ACTS and straightens his mess out. But even then there are too many dead people because of his imcompentence that I will never cut him some slack.


Grow up.

[titoresque]

70. YEEEEEE-HAWWWWWWWWW

sorry.....that's what came to mind when I read your post....not sure why. :shrug:

[Skittles]

74. wtf?

"The President has done the obvious, only after it was clear he couldn’t get away with the inexcusable."
-- Josh Marshall

This is in any way positive?

[charlie]

75. No, no

That's John Kerry you're quoting.

[Skittles]

76. I thought Kerry was quoting Marshall

that's what I read - unless I read it wrong

[charlie]

78. Other way around

:)

John Kerry has a good line today on the president's responsibility moment: "The President has done the obvious, only after it was clear he couldn’t get away with the inexcusable."

[Skittles]

81. WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you for the delicious correction charlie; I like it even BETTER! :hi:

[charlie]

82. Cool, eh?

I'm not bananas about Kerry, but that was a really good one. We need more like that from everybody.

[Redstone]

79. The problem is that he's lying. He doesn't mean it.

Empty words, and a cynical PR ploy, that's all.

Redstone

[Carni]

80. He didn't take responsibility this is another bait and switch

He stated that if there is an error at the fed level then HE will take responsibility--what this means is that by tomorrow Rove will have come up with some bullshit report on Blanco and Nagin being solely responsible.

[WePurrsevere]

84. Yes! Since BUSH does NOT feel that he or the Feds did anything WRONG.

he's NOT actually admitting responsibility for ANYTHING.

It's like saying "I'm sorry *you feel* I did something wrong" versus "I'm sorry *I did* something wrong." It's semantic psycho babble to manipulate the populace... aka: BUSH*IT

[Carni]

85. You got it!

I have watched this miserable pile of crap pull this same stunt for over 6 years--My rule of thumb is whatever he says? Go with the opposite position, because there's always a disclaimer. Rove has told him to spin and they'll back him up with some bogus memo or leaked something or another about someone else F'd up--it's a given.

[DistressedAmerican]

83. I Am Sick Of the Inclusiveness Argument.

Fuck Repugs! I do not want them. I want to crush them!