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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:57 PM
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Only One Question for Roberts: "How would you vote in Bush v Gore"?
The answer would sum up what the turd's all about.



A man obsessed by lies, theft, treason, war and death.

PS: A tip of the tentacle to Jim Kirwan for first raising this question,
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 08:00 PM
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1. By his actions, he's already answered that.
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 08:01 PM by Fridays Child
He worked for the Bush legal team, in that abortion of justice.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:01 AM
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7. Ken Starr's his most recent sugar daddy.
From folks who know more than me:


Oppose John Roberts' Supreme Court Nomination

In nominating John Roberts, the president has chosen a right wing corporate lawyer and ideologue for the nation's highest court instead of a judge who would protect the rights of the American people. Working for mining companies, Roberts opposed clean air rules and worked to help coal companies strip-mine mountaintops. He worked with Ken Starr (yes, that Ken Starr), and tried to keep Congress from defending the Voting Rights Act. He wrote that Roe v. Wade should be "overruled," and as a lawyer argued (and won) the case that stopped some doctors from even discussing abortion. That's why we believe:

"The Senate must not confirm right-wing corporate lawyer John Roberts to the Supreme Court."



SOURCE w Links and a nice petition...

http://political.moveon.org/roberts/

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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 01:18 AM
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17. That's right.
Bolton stopped the counting, Roberts did the rest.

snip...

TALLAHASSEE -- U.S. Supreme Court nominee John G. Roberts provided legal advice to Gov. Jeb Bush in the weeks following the November 2000 election as part of the effort to make sure the governor's brother won the disputed presidential vote.

Roberts, at the time a private attorney in Washington, D.C., came to Tallahassee to advise the state's Republican administration as it was trying to prevent a Democratic end-run that the GOP feared might give the election to Al Gore, sources told The Herald.

The maneuver, which the Democrats never attempted, might have kept the state from sending its list of official ''electors'' -- the Electoral College members who actually cast the votes that count -- to Congress and the National Archives.


If the names were not forwarded to Washington in a timely fashion, Republicans feared, Gore might be declared the winner because Florida's 25 electoral votes wouldn't be counted -- and the Democrat had garnered more electoral votes than George W. Bush in the rest of the country.

snip...

The reason that Roberts was tapped: His connection to Dean Colson, a lawyer with the Miami firm of Colson Hicks Eidson. Colson had been a clerk for Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist at the same time as Roberts in 1980 and was best man at Roberts' wedding. Brian Yablonski, who was then a top aide to the governor, worked at the Colson law firm before he went to work with Bush.

More.
<http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0721-07.htm>
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VPStoltz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 08:04 PM
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2. Correct.
Roberts keep rambling on about precedent, precedent, precedent when he damn well knows that the SCOTUS rule politically in 2000. Those voting against Gore broke precedent of two their own rulings. Roberts is a lying prick.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:08 AM
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8. Roberts’ role in Bush-Gore case revealed
Any lawyer supporting that BS ruling is a traitor -- especially Roberts.



Roberts’ role in Bush-Gore case revealed

TALLAHASSEE – When Republican attorneys were creating their legal dream team for the litigation that followed the 2000 presidential election, one of the first names that came up was John Roberts, now Pres. George Bush’s choice for the U.S. Supreme Court. According to a report in the Miami Herald, Texas Solicitor General Ted Cruz, a former domestic policy advisor for Bush, brought Roberts in to lend advice and help polish legal briefs. Later, he participated in a dress rehearsal to prepare the Bush legal team for the U.S. Supreme Court.

Gov. Jeb Bush and others involved in the election dispute have said they can’t recall much about Roberts' role. But one thing was certain, Cruz told the Herald: “There was no one better for the job.” Even before Roberts' role in the 2000 elections was known, Democrats wanted the issue brought up in his confirmation hearings

Roberts, a constitutional law expert in a top Washington law firm at the time, is now a federal appeals court judge in Washington. At the time, his win-loss record at the U.S. Supreme Court was one of the most impressive. He also was a member of a tight-knit circle of former clerks for the court's chief justice, William Rehnquist, a group jokingly referred to as “the cabal.”
Cruz's account places Roberts firmly within the Bush vs. Gore battle, filling in blanks in the memories of everyone from Bush's campaign lawyer, Ben Ginsberg, to the governor.

Ted Olson, the lawyer who successfully argued George W. Bush's case before the Supreme Court, said Roberts helped, but couldn't recall what legal briefs, if any, he reviewed. However, he was certain that Roberts participated in a “moot court” hearing to prep him for arguments before the high court.

Ginsberg, who met with Cruz just after the election to hire the dream team of lawyers, said he didn't clearly remember Roberts, noting that the number of attorneys made it tough to keep track of everyone.

CONTINUED...

http://www.vermontguardian.com/dailies/0904/0803.shtml



What really disgusts me is how so many went along with it.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 01:07 AM
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13. Every single Democrat
must ask him about this. For solidarity all of them must ask about this.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 01:11 AM
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14. Oh, God, you people, I think I'm going to slit my throat...
Edited on Wed Sep-14-05 01:19 AM by Radio_Lady
Today I just wanted to believe SOMETHING positive -- that maybe, just MAYBE, he will become a moderate someday -- that he would see the error of his youthful ways and repent -- maybe lose a child in an accident (like Sen. Gordon Smith) -- have his wife fall in love with another justice -- maybe Ruth Bader Ginsberg -- and become a lesbian -- maybe he himself would cheat on his wife and have some secretary pregnant with his baby and have to get an abortion -- or maybe the same scenario if his young daughter got pregnant before marriage like ours did -- y'know, just regular life shit.

Ah, well. I'm too old to be around when this guy's (alleged) term will be over. I won't need birth control or abortion anytime soon (at age 66) and I've fought the good fight in the 70s and 80s for feminism and many liberal causes.

Let's face it. It's a done deal, just like other wonderful appointments, nominations, huzzahs from this dastardly administration. I just hope my children and grandchildren can stomach him until -- when -- 2035, when he turns 80?

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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 08:10 PM
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3. " I can't anwser that because it may come before the court again"?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:19 AM
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9. A weasely and slick turd he is.
Greasy, too. Wouldn't be surprised if Roberts was one of the fellahs who thought Ollie North's drug dealing was a "neat idea" or the REX-84 round-up of political dissidents was Constitutional. Appears Roberts did like the idea of a national ID card back in the mid-80s.



Roberts, as Reagan aide, backed national ID card

Trove of judge's papers released


By Charlie Savage and Rick Klein, Globe Staff  |  August 19, 2005

WASHINGTON -- As a legal aide in the Reagan administration in 1983, Supreme Court nominee John G. Roberts Jr. declared that he would support creating a national identification card in order to combat ''the real threat to our social fabric posed by uncontrolled immigration," a memo released yesterday by the National Archives revealed.

In a memo that offered new insight into how he might rule on cases that test the balance between national security and civil liberties, Roberts said he ''yield to no one in the area of commitment to individual liberty against the spectre of overreaching central authority." However, he wrote, ''We already have, for all intents and purposes, a national identifier -- the Social Security number -- and making it in form what it has become in fact will not suddenly mean Constitutional protections would evaporate and you could be arbitrarily stopped on the street and asked to produce it."

The memo, written to his boss, White House counsel Fred Fielding, was among nearly 39,000 pages of documents released yesterday from Roberts's tenure as an associate White House lawyer. The documents revealed Roberts's opinions on social and legal issues including the First Amendment, the role of judges, and programs intended to bring equality to women in the workplace.

One internal memo could be of particular interest during Roberts's upcoming hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee next month. In it, he ridiculed an anticrime proposal by Senator Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican who is the current chairman of the judiciary committee.

As a younger senator in 1983, the memo showed, Specter had proposed the federal government help fight violent crime by allocating an additional $8 billion a year to federal law enforcement agencies. In an advisory memo, Roberts said it was unlikely Specter's proposal ''will receive any serious consideration" because the plan is ''the epitome of the 'throw money at the problem' approach" that the Reagan administration had repeatedly rejected.

CONTINUED...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/08/19/roberts_as_reagan_aide_backed_national_id_card/



To me, there're few things lower than a BFEE turdball raised on Reagan. Roberts gives whale shit a bad name. These are the people who, at best, covered up for the killers of President Kennedy.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 08:13 PM
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4. To add some earlier discussion to this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2086604&mesg_id=2086604


This issue should be Roberts' automatic dismissal from consideration for the SC. Anyone who does not support counting legitimately cast votes by the people of this country does not deserve a second look.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 08:30 PM
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5. Not to mention the conflict of interest and the appearance of impropriety.
which supposedly SCOTUS Justices are supposed to be above,
not that this lot gives a flip.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:27 AM
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10. Great thread, yours!
Thanks for the info, Seafan!

Jebthro certainly can count on Roberts' vote in 2008.

The guy's a liar -- the perfect successor to the BFEE mega-turd Rehnquist.



The Federalist (Society) Papers: John Roberts and the Right’s Move to Take Control of the Judiciary

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There is growing focus on an organization that Supreme Court justice nominee John Roberts claims he cannot remember if he joined or not: the Federalist Society. We speak with Alfred Ross of the Institute for Democracy Studies who uncovered John Roberts' membership in the right-wing organization. (includes rush transcript)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ever since President Bush announced in prime time that his nominee to the Supreme Court would be John Roberts, momentum has been building for a showdown at Robert's confirmation hearings scheduled for September. At this point it seems unlikely that Roberts is in any great risk of not being confirmed, but Democrats have made clear that they intend to ask him to publicly state his views on some of the most politically divisive issues on Capitol Hill--most prominent among them, a woman's right to choose.

The White House has painted Roberts as a candidate made for the Supreme Court and his resume has gained praise from both sides of the aisle. But John Roberts has left a rather short paper trail. What we do know is drawn largely from his career as a lawyer, where he has defended Operation Rescue, has made the argument that Roe v. Wade has no constitutional basis. We know that he advised Florida Gov. Jeb Bush during the 2000 election showdown and that as a Bush appointed judge, he sat on a 3 judge panel that a week and a half ago handed the Bush administration a key propaganda victory by allowing military trials to go ahead at Guantanamo instead of giving prisoners access to the rights guaranteed under the US constitution. We also know that he is described as a solid conservative who worked for President Bush's father and Ronald Reagan. We also know that the Bush administration lobbied conservative groups to support Roberts for a year leading up to his nomination.

As the TV ad war continues, the Roberts story has taken a new twist. There is growing focus today on an organization that Roberts claims he cannot remember if he joined or not: the Federalist Society. Roberts and the White House say the nominee has no recollection about his possible membership. But yesterday, the Washington Post reported that it had obtained a 1997-98 Federalist Society leadership directory listing Roberts, then a partner in a private law firm, as being a steering committee member in the group's Washington chapter.

On Monday, Roberts declined to say why he was listed in the directory when asked by a reporter about the discrepancy during a morning get-acquainted meeting with Sen. Dianne Feinstein. White House spokesperson Scott McClellan was asked about Roberts and the Federalist Society at the daily press briefing.

SOURCE w/ great background materials...

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/26/1419244



"Federalist Society" is code for "New Feudalism."

Can these turds be any more un-American?

Where's Corporate McPravda in all this?

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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 08:32 PM
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6. And yet our cowardly dem leaders
will not touch this. As I see it, this is historical in nature - comment on something that's already happened, not asking what he'd do in the future.

There is no opposition in Congress, and we kid ourselves that there is. These clowns are there only to remain there. It's all about feathering nests and ensuring their own reelections. Good of the American people? Yeah, right.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:33 AM
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11. Geat point, there. When will Joe Lieberman & Co. act like DEMOCRATS?
We may have to clean out about half the DEMs along with all the pukes. How many have rolled over since Selection 2000? The 9-11 whitewash? e-Selection 2004?

One quick litmus test is to see who in the Senate votes for this slick turd. Any DEM who gives him a thumbs up is on my shit list.

For the House, we can go by who voted to give VISA the authority to penure the middle class. There's a whole lot of love for the KKKorporate klass there.

Too bad we can't clean house in the Press Corpse. Isn't it their job to inform the electorate? Maybe Corporate McPravda we can boycott.

No matter. We need to keep our chins up and our voices heard. Thanks for stating what needed to be said and remembered, matt819.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 01:14 AM
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16. Hey now...don't blame the Dems!!! Don't ya know it's all Nader's fault???
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 01:05 AM
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12. recommended...I really enjoy your posts Octafish...n/t
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 01:14 AM
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15. Roberts vote in Bush vs. Gore ... you mean ...
... George P. Bush vs. Karenna Gore?
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:06 AM
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18. That is the
ONE question I want someone, anyone, to ask! What are the chances of THAT? :silly:

Jenn
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:10 AM
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19. Ditto that....I wonder if it will be brought up and how he would respond.
because, if he dodges it, then that means he believes it is something that may come before the Supreme Court later. so, if he doesn't, he should answer right ?
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