I'm weary of the Katrina "blame game"

[candy]

Everybody dropped the ball in the relief effort---FEMA,Bush,Blanco,and Nagin.

The real culprit in all of this was THE WEATHER and the fact that a city was built where a city shouldn't have been built.

God,what a country,we've turned into----- a bunch of finger pointers.

[Stephanie]

1. oh yes, it's simply exhausting - please, change the channel

why should I worry my beautiful mind about that?

[applegrove]

2. You kid! Surely...

[MnFats]

3. sorry but that's what the Bush ADministration wants you to believe..

....this was a massive f***up by FEMA and the White house...it is true there were mistakes all around but FEMA and Bush were absolutely dismal.
....and read the newsweek article about Bush and his staff...they didn't even tell him just how bad it was until THURSDAY!!!he was willfully ignorant!

[tuvor]

4. There'd be no blaming, if only...

...someone had the balls to accept responsibility and resign.

(I don't suppose bush reads DU, does he?)

[are_we_united_yet]

5. "Now is not the time to be assigning blame!"

That is why I scheduled a time in Outlook.

[Berry Cool]

6. And what advantage is there to be gained by NOT pointing fingers?

and trying to figure out what went wrong so it doesn't happen again, pray tell?

"A city was built where a city shouldn't have been built"? Cities tend to get built near bodies of water for a reason. The Netherlands is also below sea level but does just fine with a state-of-the-art dike system. No reason New Orleans can't have the same, if the money is invested. If it's not, I'd like to see what other port city is going to do its job.

A whole lot of people dropped the ball on this one, but ultimately the feds had the charge to take control, early in the crisis, and they didn't, didn't, didn't. And people suffered and died because of it.

Nothing can change that. Not all the chiding in the world and trying to make shame on people as if there is something wrong with THEM for trying to make people feel bad about their failures. They SHOULD feel bad about their failures!

Oh, and by the way, this is not a GAME. It's serious. Deadly so.

[Erika]

7. Sorry, being weary doesn't save lives

There have been sufficient posts here outlaying the legal responsibility of the parties. That is quite different from pointing fingers.

[Bouncy Ball]

8. YOU just blamed the people who built New Orleans.

So who's playing the blame game now?

It seems you simply don't like where some fingers are pointing.

But it's ok for you to blame the people who built that city, eh?

Some advice: put your fingers in your ears and sing "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!" It might make you happier.

But please note: you did some blaming on actual people in your post, not just the weather.

[libnnc]

9. You're kidding, right?

You do realize that if it weren't for MASSIVE budget cuts--made by the Bush administration--that New Orleans could have fixed its levee problems? You do realize that Sen. Landrieu et al have been screaming about those problems for YEARS on Capitol Hill and have been IGNORED by a Republican congress who wanted to put monies elsewhere? You do realize that the problems in New Orleans weren't caused so much by the hurricane itself but expressly by breaches in its levees--the ones the the Army Corp of Engineers have been wanting to fix were it not for the MASSIVE BUDGET CUTS ISSUED BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION?

You do realize that the "blame game" phrase is Rovian Bush-speak?

You do realize those things, right? :think:

[Bouncy Ball]

10. I have the feeling this was a little hit and run post.

So don't hold your breath on getting any answers.

[libnnc]

15. interesting, candy's a

hit 'n run type with over 1000 posts...

will wonders never cease? I just don't understand people.

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[Bluebear]

42. Can I breathe again?

I'm turning bluer than ever!

[FrankBooth]

11. Good job

your check from 1600 Penn is in the mail.

[FrankBooth]

12. Good job

your check from 1600 Penn is in the mail.

[TahitiNut]

13. Wow!

:wow: What a breathtaking cop-out! (In the true 60's sense.)
:dunce: Awesome! (In the Valley-guy sense.)

[cynatnite]

14. 'blame game sucks', but accountability is a real bitch...

the bush regime knows it, too.

It's about damn time they're accountable for the lives they've cost.

[Bouncy Ball]

19. Yep.

With power comes responsibility.

It seems they want the power and none of the responsibility.

That's just not the way it works. Some people will let you get away with it for a while, but as we've seen, eventually everyone has their point where they will say "ok, enough, this is bullshit."

[WHAT]

47. forget blaming, try accusing....

or is nobody responsible?

[FrankBooth]

16. The 'Blame Game' talking points are SO last week

NM

[Straight Shooter]

17. Everybody move out of California NOW!!

It's your fault when the earthquake hits. Get it? Memphis, too.

Everyone in Tornado Alley, move out NOW!! It's your fault for living there, building homes there.

Et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseam.

Oh, gawd, my aching mind :eyes:

[bring_em_home_bush]

18. What a remarkably ignorant post

New Orleans is one of the most strategic locations in the entire world. People just didn't go building a city there because they were too stupid to know better.

[cynatnite]

20. Well, since NO shouldn't have been built...

Let's take a look at every freaking city built on a coastline. I won't stop there...how about all those nice California towns that are built on fault lines. Hey, Seattle should not be anywhere near a volcano, either. Damn, I guess you might as well include every town and city in tornado alley.

Need I go on?

:eyes:

[Bouncy Ball]

21. Heh, yeah Candy just wiped out a lot of American cities.

[me b zola]

22. "God,what a country,we've turned into..."

Yeah, since I sat in my front room and watched crimes against humanity committed against American citizens by the American government, on American soil, I have been saying that too---God, what a country we have turned into.

Pretty fucking sick watching the federal government to deny lifesaving aide to dying people. It's pretty fucking sick to watch the federal government treat victims of a first natural, then man-made disaster as if they were an enemy army. It's pretty fucking sick to watch that happen. It's pretty fucking sick to listen to people defend it by refusing to admit what they saw. :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad:

[txaslftist]

63. Watch a little foreign news and see Iraq uncensored...

...then you can really get "pretty fucking sick".

God, what a fucked up country we've turned into.

Couldn't have said it better.

[nonconformist]

23. New Orleans, it's YOUR FAULT FOR EXISTING!

:eyes:

You call it a "blame game" and "finger pointing"... adults call it "accountability". Or do you want it to happen again?

[Bluebear]

41. "Now is not the time to be pointing fingers!"

:crazy:

[Warren DeMontague]

24. I'm weary of the "Blame game" game...

particularly, people who use the phrase "blame game" to try to deflect attention from the fact that the administration that has made "KEEPING YOU SAFE" it's raison d'etre for the past four years took a fucking WEEK to figure out how to get food and water to tens of thousands of people in New Orleans.

Plenty of blame to go around? Yeah, so, how about the man at the top, the guy who feels content to trot out the threat of scary turban-wearin' turrusts every time he has a dip in the polls, TAKE some of that blame?

And as for "THE WEATHER" are you aware that temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico are higher than normal? Wanna take a guess as to why that might be? Think that could have anything to do with the fact that the polar ice caps are melting? Or that our scientifically illiterate government thinks the "jury is still out" on global warming just like it is on evolution?

And where was the National Guard? Are you telling me that you honestly believe the fact that our troops and resources are tied up in a bullshit war 8,000 miles away had nothing to do with the turtle's pace of response to this deal? Is there "plenty of blame to go around" for that, too? Fuck that noise- I protested that war before it started. I'm not taking the god-damn blame for that fiasco, and neither should you unless you think it was a good idea.

Bunch of finger pointers is right. The Bush Administration fucked up -and it's another in a five year SERIES of major fuckups- and they need. to. go. We had a two year, $87 million dollar fucking SPASM of blame over a god-damn blow job and a blue dress. Seems like everybody was extremely interested in doling out buckets of blame then, and they were perfectly content with having it go all the way to the top.

But now, with dead bodies floating through the streets of NOLA, god fucking forbid anyone should play the "blame game".

Ptoi. Feh.

[confludemocrat]

38. yes, Bush emergency declaration put FEDs in charge of almost EVERYTHING

Got it dear original poster? So no there is NOT enough blame to go around, nearly all of it belongs with BUSH. Wake up.

[confludemocrat]

26. yeah, its' wearying talking about things that lay bare our nat'l failings

racism, class, greed, cronyism none of those things matter-it's THE WEATHER. You say tomAYto I say tomAHto, let's call the whole thing off! It's soooooo uncomfortable.

[buddysmellgood]

27. OK! Sorry you're tired! Let's play the ACCOUNTABILITY GAME instead!

[Bouncy Ball]

28. LOL.

I'd settle for just some accountability from the top. Forget game. Just plain old accountability would be a refreshing change.

In 2000 at the RNC, he made a big speech about ours being a "responsibility society," if he was elected, but I guess he meant everyone but him and his buddies.

[cynatnite]

30. don't forget about the 'restoring dignity to the WH'

Did anyone really think he was serious about that?

[buddysmellgood]

31. It's the "I got mine, so F you" kind of responsibility.

[Bluebear]

29. Ok Scotty!

:)

[Lex]

32. Got "talking points?"

Looks like it.

[Bluebear]

39. Don't forget it's a verb too! "Blame gaming" according to McClellan nt

[Carolab]

33. Tell that to the developers who wiped out the wetlands.

This has been a disaster waiting to happen thanks to one thing: pure, unmitigated, avarice.

[candy]

60. Of course---that was my point in the original post .

I'm astonished at the responses,though.

Investigations will take place and the blame will be properly placed,at least I hope so,but this constant yelling and screaming over who's at fault is non-productive.

We will all learn from this disaster.

[txaslftist]

64. If you aren't outraged, you aren't paying attention.

[Lorien]

34. Er, the problems are ongoing

if no one pointed out that there are problems, those people in NOLA would still be at the Superdome.

Perhaps that's what you'd prefer?

[rndmprsn]

35. repeating rove talking points dont help

[Maru Kitteh]

36. Jesus Horatio Christ on a trailer hitch - bury your head in the sand then

BUSH....... not sombody near Bush, appointed by Bush or otherwise removed from him but BUSH...... declared a FEDERAL emergency 3 <hrs.> days in advance of the disaster giving responsiblility for the operation to the FEDERAL GUBMENT.

But if it's too much for you to process, check out for a while. I'm sure the residents of NOLA wish they could do the same.

The Feds let people die because they were mostly poor and black. Simple.

[stevietheman]

37. If you're weary, then go to bed, while the rest of us hold FEMA...

and the feds accountable. Perhaps after you awaken, you'll be refreshed enough to join us. (Sorry if I come off as an ass, but the overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing points to the feds)

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[artemisia1]

43. Great, let's not hold anyone accountable so that they can be just as

incompetent (and vicious) next time - only let's increase their budget so that they have more money to screw up with.

[applegrove]

44. Apparently "Responsibility" is a quick little adverb. Perhaps you have

never tried it before.

[fishwax]

45. Weird

Yes, just the weather, nothing to see, please move along

:eyes:

[Spazito]

46. Gosh, I am shocked at your OP, no, really, shocked and awed

it is so not what I would have expected, roflmao. The real shock would have been if baby bush had been part of the OP but, as we can all see, that is verboten it seems, in the minds of 'some'.

[alarcojon]

48. You're so right!

:sarcasm:

Just to add to everything else that has been said, isn't it admirable how Pigboy, Shammitty, O'Felafel, and the rest of them have restrained themselves and not laid blame on anyone but, oh, any Republicans?

They fucked up and the people realize it.

[devilgrrl]

49. Wow! Karen Hughes uses an alt for DU?

Got those talking points down pat huh Candy?

[Bluebear]

51. I'm waiting for "Let's just move on, people!"

[Bridget Burke]

50. New Orleans was built where a city was NEEDED.

And hurricanes are a fact of life on the Gulf Coast. It should have been better protected. For example--Federal funds for levee upkeep had not been cut to ribbons.

The actions of Nagin & Blanco may not have been 100% correct. But Bush & Co's inaction is an international scandal.

Did you hear what The Daily Show said about the "Blame Game"?

[SmokingJacket]

52. Let me guess: you watch a lot of teevee. nt

[myrna minx]

53. You know what? I'm weary of bodies of American citizens

floating around New Orleans due to sheer incompetence. Nice hit and run.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

54. Why am I not surprised?

[lse7581011]

55. Sorry To Break It To You

But their brainwashing technique has worked on you!

[devilgrrl]

56. So Candy, are you going to defend your statements?

Coward!

[Terran]

57. Wow, how did you manage to post 1000+ times?

Candy, seriously, here's the deal: "blame game" is pure right-wing spin; do you not see that? We're not talking about spilt milk here. A lot of people died, and a lot more suffered terribly because of gross incompetence. Not to mention the fact that New Orleans is extremely messed up when it didn't have to be. No one who's serious about this would suggest it's all one person or one agency or one government at fault. But clearly there's more to it than just the forces of nature.

People are not looking "blame", they're looking for accountability, and you know why? Because we'd really sort of like for this not happen again.

I hope that clears up your misunderstanding.

[stanwyck]

58. The way you find a cure is to do an autopsy

and Katrina desperately needs an autopsy. Just as 9-11 did. Our agencies don't work with each other. Our appointed leaders of the agencies don't have credentials and are quickly out of their depth. Our tax money is misspent.
So. Yes. We need a blame game.
We need accountability.
I thought you loved accountability.
Or is that only when it concerns other people?

[greekspeak]

59. Thank you Scott "Candy" McClellan for that insightful RW talking point

I know we here have never heard it before, except about 10 times an hour since they invented it, what, right before Labor Day? If you are going to hit and run, at least post something other than a RW talking point that even Rush has to choke on.

[spanone]

61. Bullshit, this was under FEMA which is under HOMELAND SECURITY

Bush sold our security to the highest Donor....Brown.

[txaslftist]

62. Very choicy bit of flamebait, this...

...subtle, yet with a sweet hint of irony.

Is this a serious post (in which case the poster seems woefully ignernt) or is this irony (almost too subtle to grasp) or is this a freeper trolling (with a 1000+ posts, unlikely...)

Nice, short, punchy...

This is a good one.

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. that is exactly what the bushies want you think

this is an act of god... well BS, so what happens when the Fault in Cali goes and LA goes down? Oh yes act of god... let them fend for themselves

[txaslftist]

66. But will gladly engage in the Katrina "FLAME GAME"

[gollygee]

67. haha

so true

[The Magistrate]

68. Locking

This has become a flame-war.

[EstimatedProphet]

69. Nuking

You have been weighed
You have been measured
And you have been found wanting. Begone.