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political_invader (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:08 AM Original message |
I'm Sorry this is Bull sh!t..Nursing home owners charged |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. The whole scenario is being pondered: |
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political_invader (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Ty babylonsister.. |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. Somebody needed to be responsible for getting them |
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preciousdove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Perhaps the flying monkeys weren't available. Waiting on facts. |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
3. Well have to see where the case goes. |
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bee (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
4. Im with you. I totally think its bullshit too. |
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political_invader (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Here you have Chimp Boy saying |
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knowbody0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
5. welcome political_invader |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
6. On TV tonight, a relative said she had called after the levee broke |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
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Whoa_Nelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
9. Since the nursing home people are indicted, then this should also apply to |
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political_invader (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Yes, that is my exact point.. nt |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 01:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
45. I could live with that.... |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 09:20 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Hi ingac70!! |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 11:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
69. nagin has no jurisdiction in st. bernard parish |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
10. Prove the 21 people lost story. Need the source. |
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political_invader (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:24 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. That came form the Family lawyer on CNN interview |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:28 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Uh, the lawyer is not a credible source. Losing that many would be |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
12. Why don't you question why the owners got out just fine |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. So did their entire family of many that were there.... |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 09:41 AM Response to Reply #12 |
57. And there's no requirement that they do so. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
17. They could have had a plan |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. They had to prove their ability for an emergency ecacuation |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:40 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Hi Erika. I'm Erica too |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:45 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Hi there! My mother was a life long nurse |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:59 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Amen. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 03:34 AM Response to Reply #41 |
50. I'm not a nurse at all |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 09:52 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Yeah, it doesn't follow that the mayor / governor / FEMA is responsible |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
104. Okay, now suppose a nursing home catches fire? |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
107. Can every home's plan work simultaneously? |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Plans break down, services are overwhelmed, in a mass catastrophe. |
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Lethe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
19. on CNN the attorney said they evacuated 52 patients |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:30 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Translation...We would have to hire more staff for this move. |
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Lethe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:37 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. how are they supposed to hire staff during a hurricane? |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:39 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. They had a contract with an emergency ambulance service |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 09:32 AM Response to Reply #25 |
55. Correction: They had a contract with Acadien Ambulance..funny thing is |
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political_invader (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:43 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Welcome to DU ikhor .. hope you like it here as much as I do nt |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:46 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Do you know how many nurses were on staff at the time? |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 09:29 AM Response to Reply #20 |
54. Not true...the lawyer cited the fact that during prior hurricanes |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:34 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Again, one of the relatives called and was assured her |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 11:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
71. Almost all of the patients were from that parish |
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political_invader (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:35 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. correct and due to the past evacuation when |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:40 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Their contract was with an ambulance company NOT a bus company |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
28. They were given the chance to evacuate & I think were under mandatory |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:43 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. The state required an emergency evacuation plan which the home supplied |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:44 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Glad they are charged. |
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political_invader (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Thank you Erika I did not hear that >> |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 01:07 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. What you have to understand |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 01:20 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I saw one man being interviewed and he was out of town when katrina |
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Digit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
34. They were the only ones who were not evacuating according to the doc |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:49 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. My thoughts are with you. How hard. n/t |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 10:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
66. Perhaps the family of these people didn't have 1k to hire an amb. n/t |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
36. This doesn't ring true |
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political_invader (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:52 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. The lawyer comented on a past evacuation not relating to this incident. nt |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. See my post edit for the link. n/t |
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political_invader (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:59 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Thank you for clearing that up for me.. nt |
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Spangle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
40. Not enough info in that article to truely understand why they were charged |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
44. Didn't their license expire in July?? |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 01:45 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. The owners chose not to follow their state filed plans for evacuation |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
48. Doesn't sound like it was the best decision |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
49. I Believe In The Presumption Of Innocence |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 03:44 AM Response to Original message |
51. Is this the same home that Parrish President so movingly talked about? |
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Princess Turandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 04:09 AM Response to Original message |
52. According to the NY Times, all nursing homes were orderd to evac their.. |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 10:50 AM Response to Reply #52 |
63. NPR's TOTN ... |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
56. The fact that charges were filed so soon smacks of grandstanding |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
59. MAYBE also charge the patient's kids? |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 10:13 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. That is harsh |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 10:58 AM Response to Reply #59 |
67. you know NOTHING about the families. that's totally unfair! |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. not meant to be hurtful, just saying what I would do |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:09 PM Response to Reply #72 |
84. What about the elderly who had no family? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Nursing Homes Are Awful Places |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 11:22 AM Response to Reply #59 |
70. contraflow means you couldn't drive south |
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ernstbass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
85. No - the nsg. home was being PAID to care for thier patients |
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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
61. When something like this happens, something |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #61 |
73. Per an article I read on Yahoo this morning |
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
62. They should've euthanized them. |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 10:53 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. An informational point |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 11:34 AM Response to Reply #64 |
75. Not only that |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
65. I thought this was a rush to charge them... not enuff info yet. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 11:39 AM Response to Reply #65 |
78. I said the same thing up thread -- their instincts were correct |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
68. if this is true |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Except--look upthread for link |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
74. my take on this is that they are tyring to find |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 11:36 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Because in those hospitals |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 11:42 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. I know, I know, but they also practiced |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 11:56 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Triage in this instance. |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:01 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I'm trying to gather opinions of ethicists ... |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:08 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. I think many people just consider nursing another job |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. I will ... |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. I hate mandatory overtime |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. Kyra Phillips on CNN just reported ... |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. That is precisely the point I have been trying to wrap my head |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #94 |
106. The standard the AG of LO |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #83 |
93. Most Of The Staff At Nursing Homes Are LPNS and CNAS not RNS |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:26 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Not as much as you might think. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. Exactly... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
103. Well as a medic I had to decide |
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ernstbass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
82. Their policies and procedures should have spelled this out |
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Catrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #82 |
101. I disagree because I do not know all the facts |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
88. These Are The Exact People Who Are Our Charges |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. This is the State of Texas Board of Nursing position statement on |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. I Was Making A Broad Statement |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. I was in agreement with you |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. I Know... |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Mandatory government enforcement of "beneficence?" |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 01:23 PM Response to Reply #102 |
110. You Are Throwing So Many Terms Around |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 01:42 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. More |
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bigluckyfeet (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
98. My Great Aunt Was In A Nursing Home |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:33 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. I'm glad she is safe |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
105. How many died waiting for the Feds to rescue them?????? |
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txaslftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-05 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
108. Charging the owners is someone playing CYA, IMO. |
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