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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:33 PM
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Once again...the GOP can't afford to overturn Roe v. Wade.
It's too reliable a boogeyman. It's too valuable in rallying their base. It's too emotional.

In order to practice the neocons' brand of divisive politics, the key is leeching onto issues that divide people. Abortion is their crown jewel.

If abortion is outlawed, what will they have left on Election Day?
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:34 PM
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1. Hmmmm. Interessting way to frame it.
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:34 PM
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2. Absolutely
It is a lose lose situation for the GOP.
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:35 PM
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3. Are you sure they are planning
on continuing to have 'elections'?
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:36 PM
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4. Yeah, I could have sworn....
...we stopped having those back in 2000.
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:38 PM
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7. To perpetuate the illusion of fair elections...
...you still need to have morans with bumper stickers on their trucks making people think the neocon candidate has broad support.
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:37 PM
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5. I call it, "their carrot on a stick"G
Gay marriage is the same thing (almost). They would never actually propose a constitutional amendment banning it (at least not yet, it's too contentious), but they'll certainly play that card every election cycle. I hate these fuckers!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:38 PM
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6. They can and they will
they will just claim that they aren't making it illegal, they are returning the decision to the states. They have plenty to keep their base happy. Evolution, 10 Commandments, mandatory school prayer, that kind of shit. They are probably already gearing up to do battle with the Flying Spaghetti Monster
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:50 PM
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13. I agree with you, walldude
Nothing has so far diminished their enthusiasm for promoting their ultra-right wing agenda, any way they can. Just look back, not so long ago to the Terri Schiavo case. They weren't a bit shy about trampling all over the Constitution, were they? And even though the FACTS have proved them wrong at every turn in that case, you can bet their religious zealot backers are even more loyal than before, on account of this regime's behavior.

I have never met a Republican who has found any trouble coming up with something to be outraged about. They're in control of the whole country right now, and still whine about what Democrats are doing.
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:41 PM
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8. They will dismantle it. They might even overturn it.
Do they care? will they ever run out out things? I don't think so.

The hit list:
social security
gay marriage
10 commandments
religion in schools
minorities and fern'ers
dismantling civil rights
states rights
environmental protections

oh, the list of things they'd like to change is just getting started. I think they will use R v W to get their base all jazzed up and enthusiastic. The idea that they won't overturn it because it's to valuable is just another ploy. IMO they will overturn it, and it will cause a feeding frenzy.
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:42 PM
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9. None of those issues divide people like abortion.
Just reality.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:42 PM
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10. They need Roe -V- Wade to keep Dems divided too.
Look at how inflamed the abortion threads get even on here--the GOP NEEDS Roe to keep the Dems off balance and to keep the fundies motivated to go GOP. It is also a HUGE cash cow for the GOP fund raising machine and THAT is something they can't afford to give up either...

They are gonna send it to the SCOTUS who will then send it back to each individual state to decide. That way they can say Roe was overturned and they delivered on the promise to do away with it, but they can still drag abortion out in the state races to drive fund raising and volunteers.



Laura
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:44 PM
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11. gays, taxes, terror, etc etc
They have endless boogiemen to bring out to scare the sheeple.

If that fails, they always have their ace in the hole, diebold.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:46 PM
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12. Stuff the court with enough ideologues
and it'll be out of their hands, whether they like it or not. Justices do tend to get a bit independent after being seated for a few years.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:51 PM
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15. That's why Shrub is appointing folks he knows won't overturn Roe.
I totally agree with this poster.

The republicans need Roe v. Wade to remain law so they have a windmill at which to tilt and a wedge to divide the have-nots in this country.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 03:36 PM
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21. You know what Shrub is doing?
How? I can assert he's planting stealth abortion opponents and claim just as much certitude, which is really none.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:50 PM
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14. Gays, taxes, Social Security, Medicare, Health Care.
They have plenty of other things to bitch about. And will.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:52 PM
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16. Sure they can. If they did, the rally cry would just be:
Don't let those scary Democrats bring back Roe v. Wade
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:54 PM
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17. They'll continue to use abortion even after overturning Roe v. Wade
After overturning Roe v. Wade, the Republicans will keep their base scared that the Left is trying to restore federal protection for abortion rights. The issue will not go away.

And don't forget the fundamental reason the Right wants abortion to be illegal again. Most of them obviously don't really care about the "sanctity of human life" or they'd do more to help the Born as well as the Unborn.

They hate abortion because it gives women more freedom, independence, and mobility. And they really hate free, independent, and mobile women.
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:55 PM
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18. Absolutely.
That's why we need to frame the debate on issues like health care and education as moral issues. After all, the rate of abortions under this administration has increased in my demographic (young, married, lower-middle class women with families) and that can most certainly be attributable to the state of healthcare and the economy. I had to make the choice, myself, struggling with related circumstances.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:56 PM
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19. yes they can, with Diebold on their side
as long as they have the voting machines, they can do whatever they want. it doesn't matter how much people support their actions. remember, Saddam Hussein survived many "elections."
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:56 PM
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20. Yeah, I agree. It's the ultimate diversion for the fundies.
Quick, fundies: look over here!
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:53 PM
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22. Kick. nt
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