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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 02:43 PM
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Octafish, H2O, et al - Chertoff's problems - opening we need to push BCCI?
Edited on Wed Sep-14-05 03:06 PM by blm
As I recall, Chertoff has some really questionable dealings doing cover up work for Saudi clients linked to the Bushes, BCCI and 9-11.

Maybe it's time for a REAL dossier/bio on this creep. He may be ripe for a takedown.

btw....isn't Chertoff Russian for devil?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 03:28 PM
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1. kick for my compatriots....
.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 03:34 PM
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2. A Good Conversation To Have
especially as he has been involved in B***sh** up to his waders. Does anyone know if he is a neo? Given what I'm reading I would say yes, but have no definite proof.

<<<snip>>>
“In the immediate aftermath of 9-11 former President GHW Bush publicly advocated suspension of the US Constitution and violation of laws by the DOJ and CIA and FBI agents inside the US to allow domestic spying on Americans. This is what Presidents GHW Bush and GW Bush and Chertoff have had in mind all along when they intentionally helped create the terror pretexts they have used to illegally and immorally trade American freedoms and privacy for a false sense of security.

Michael Chertoff was the US Attorney appointed by HW Bush and retained by Bill Clinton for New Jersey from 1990-1994. As US Attorney for New Jersey Chertoff was deeply involved with the 1993 WTC bombing sting operation using FBI monitoring of the Abdel Rahman and Salem’s recruited cell members at the Al Salaam mosque in Jersey City. The US Attorney from New York who worked with Chertoff to prosecute the 1993 WTC bombing case was Patrick Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald is also conducting the federal grand jury investigating the illegal outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame, the wife of Ambassador Wilson who investigated claims of uranium acquisition by Iraq. Chertoff and Fitzgerald were fully aware of the statements made by prosecutors admitting that the FBI intentionally had provided the safe house for Salem terrorist recruits.” Cont

“Chertoff was directly involved in the prosecution of the Moussaoui case and sought to limit the testimony of AlQaeda leaders, bin Alshibh and Khalid Mohammed to such an extent that the federal judge in the case threatened to throw out the case and moved to severely restrict if not kill the government’s continuance of the case. Chertoff may have sought to limit the testimony of Khalid Mohammed in the Moussaoui case in part because of torture of Khalid ratified by DOJ attorneys but also because Khalid would be in a position to describe facts pointing to FBI and DOJ foreknowledge information of the 1993 WTC, the OKC and the 9-11 attacks. Chertoff handled the appeal of the DOJ case against Moussaoui in the 4th Circuit court of Appeals now before the Supreme Court. Chertoff with Ashcroft’s and now Alberto Gonzales’ help may likewise be trying to stifle this type of information from coming out in the Rahman case by the wiretapping and indictment of Lynne Stewart.” Cont…

“Chertoff intentionally squelched and covered up Saudi financing and money laundering, drug and arms trafficking, and terror ties to 9-11 as identified by Ms. Indira Singh and by FBI translator Sibel Edmonds. As part of this ongoing cover-up, Chertoff would have known of and likely been involved in the decision by Attorney General Ashcroft to place a rare state secrets gag order on Sibel Edmonds.” Cont…


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/09/14/knight-ridder-homeland-s_n_7319.html
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 04:14 PM
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4. I just don't get how Clinton allowed the whole BCCI scandal to be dropped
9-11 would never have happened, Bush family would be ostracized in this country, and a helluva lot of Republicans would be in jail.

Chertoff is knee deep in covering tracks for BCCI criminals.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 04:26 PM
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7. Greenspan convinced Clinton
not to go after the Bush's. He told him it would be political suicide because it would destroy the economy. If Clinton let things lay, Greenspan would work with him to keep the economy going. I guess it was a deal Clinton couldn't refuse. Who knew then how evil this gang would turn out to be?

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:00 PM
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18. I knew that...my comment was more rhetorical, but, no doubt you just
schooled more than a few who had no idea about what went down then.

Grazie.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:30 PM
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20. Schooled indeed.
Thanks for that tidbit. I'm one of the clueless back then.

-Hoot
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:52 AM
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48. Heh...just as I suspected....once you learn what happened, it's hard to
see anything as innocent coincidence.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:25 PM
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23. Very interesting. Any background reading on this you might
recommend?

Thanks.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:37 PM
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24. Unfortunately the original link is gone
But here's a link that references the one I was looking for.


HOW BUSH SR. WAS ALMOST INDICTED FOR FRAUD

This is the untold story of Bush Cabal Fraud and how the Clinton Regime delayed the collapse of the United States economy.

Having received some old documents recently from a Democratic committee member, I wanted to tell this story. These were documents that obviously escaped the shredder. Documents from Democrat controlled committees get boxed up. Then they get duct taped and put in various storage rooms in the Rayburn Office Building on the fourth floor. They then sit there forever until they fall apart, and then somebody will either throw them out or will actually look at them.

The documents from Republican investigating committees generally get shredded afterwards. On the other hand, documents from the investigative staff and general counsels of Democrat controlled committees haven't been able to unveil any truth anyway, so why bother waste the time shredding them.

http://colorado.indymedia.org/newswire/display/4028/index.php

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:23 AM
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42. Fortunately, Kerry kept an office at his own expense filled with BCCI
documents.

It was the papers that he tried to make public that needed release from Clinton - Poppy had them ruled as "national security" so they could remain under seal.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:39 PM
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31. major let down
If it's true about the deal with Greenspan, then it's a big disappointment. When Clinton was first elected, I thought "all right now we can expose the corruption from the Iran-Contra, BCCI, Promis Software connections. Then nothing....Then, I was vehemently opposed to NAFTA (which was Bush I's baby) and another let down. Even if we took an economic hit, we wouldn't be in the situation we are today if the corruption was exposed.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:19 AM
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41. In fairness to Clinton, a collapsed world economy is not a great choice
either. But, at least BushInc would have been revealed in full and the public would have known exactly who to blame for that economic collapse.

Clinton could have used his brain and political skills to steer the world out of the economic crisis, but I think he was a bit still naive at the time.

I disagree with those who have concluded that his motives were sinister. Unfortunately, now, it has the APPEARANCE of being sinister because his decision has caused so much never-ending damage to democracy itself.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 10:14 AM
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46. We'll get the collapsed economy anyway, thanks to *. n/t
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:05 PM
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11. Oh please don't tell me that Fitzgerald is still working WITH Chertoff.
We really need Fitzgerald to be a hero not an accomplice.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:56 PM
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16. I dunno...if Fitzgerald wanted to sabotage the investigation, he could've
done it by now.

Chertoff isn't exactly likable, so I don't see that a guy like Fitz would be charmed by a guy like Chertoff.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:40 AM
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34. True terrorists
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 04:12 PM
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3. Keeping This Kicked
for the evening crowd. Too important to let this slip away.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 04:23 PM
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5. .
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 04:23 PM
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6. Chertoff sabotaged the Ptech investigation
You may remember Ptech from whistleblower Indira Singh.

I wrote about it in January, here.

The FBI and DOJ demanded the White House give them control of Operation Greenquest, a federal task force set up to target the financiers of Al Qaeda which was folded into Homeland Security. Greenquest was investigating Ptech.

Newsweek reported:

The FBI-Justice move, pushed by DOJ Criminal Division chief Michael Chertoff and Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson, has enraged Homeland Security officials, however. They accuse the bureau of sabotaging Greenquest investigations — by failing to turn over critical information to their agents — and trying to obscure a decade-long record of lethargy in which FBI offices failed to aggressively pursue terror-finance cases.

One prime example of the tension is the investigation into Ptech, the Boston-area computer software firm that had millions of dollars in sensitive government contracts with the Air Force, the Energy Department and, ironically enough, the FBI. In what turned into a minor embarrassment for the bureau, the firm’s main investors included Yasin Al-Qadi, a wealthy Saudi businessman whom the Bush administration had formally designated a terrorist financier under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. Al-Qadi has vigorously denied any connection to terrorism.

The Ptech case turned into an ugly dispute last year when company whistleblowers told Greenquest agents about their own suspicions about the firm’s owners. Sources close to the case say those same whistleblowers had first approached FBI agents, but the bureau apparently did little or nothing in response. With backing from the National Security Council, Greenquest agents then mounted a full-scale investigation that culminated in a raid on the company’s office last December. After getting wind of the Greenquest probe, the FBI stepped in and unsuccessfully tried to take control of the case.


"Several seasoned government agents fear for the nation’s security should the FBI be tackling most terrorism cases," said Newsweek. And in fact, the FBI was given unilateral control of all terrorist-financing investigations and operations.


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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 04:27 PM
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8. Oh, why am I not surprised?
every single one is corrupt to the core.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:42 AM
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35. Why else does Bush have them??
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 04:57 PM
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10. Minor Embarrassment?
An understatement at the very least. God, what these people have allowed in the name of the almighty buck.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 04:30 PM
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9. You could imagine him
with a scythe in his hands.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:32 PM
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13. He was brilliant as Nosferatu.
(not mine)
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:38 PM
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14. He was brilliant as Nosferatu.
Good One!!!

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:54 PM
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50. Yes, I can see that.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:07 PM
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12. Can we get a few more recommendations? This needs be be analyzed!
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:39 PM
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15. I heard he has a Dual Citizenship
.... Israel.

(Why would the head of our Department of Homeland Security hold a dual citizenship?)
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:26 PM
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19. Isn't that illegal at his level? Is it legal at all? n/t
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 05:58 PM
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17. Kick for this (nt)
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:15 PM
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21. so many connections via the BCCI
Iran contra,drugs, money laundering, Sun Myung Moon, links to terrorist. It is mind boggling. consortiumnews.com is a great source of background info Secrecy and Priviledge-Robert Parry.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:46 AM
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36. As I've always said
it always leads back to the same person and the same purposes. Poppy Bush and money.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:22 PM
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22. I believe that it was lala_rawraw who said that Chertoff = devil in
Russian.

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:12 PM
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25. Let me see if I can find anything on this
Everytime you think you have turned over the last rock on these people, damn if another one doesn't appear. Sigh!
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:13 PM
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26. vampire
:rofl:
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nonny Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:08 PM
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27. Michael Chertoff (Of the Devil)
The Plots Thicken:
David Margolis, Michael Chertoff (Of the Devil) & General Kevin Byrnes

by Al Martin


snip--

In other news on August 9, Homeland Security
Secretary Michael Chertoff said that if the military
were deployed inside the United States in response to
a terrorist attack, his department, not the Pentagon,
would exercise overall control, reports the Los
Angeles Times.
"The Department of Homeland Security has the
responsibility under the President's directives to
coordinate the entirety of the response to a terrorist
act here in the United States. And, responding to news
reports, the Pentagon has drawn up plans for military
action... It ranges from scenarios of crowd control to
dealing with radiological or biological attacks."

So what does civilian control of the Pentagon mean?

Chertoff, whose name means 'of the devil' in
Russian, is attempting to further circumvent Posse
Comitatus. He is trying to gain control of law
enforcement to ensure that the Department of Homeland
Security, which will include the Office of Internal
Security, the Office of Political Security, and other
agencies to be created after Posse Comitatus is
overturned, will have a civilian mechanism to control
a militarized law enforcement because they don't want
the military to control it.

This is what's going to happen when Posse
Comitatus is overturned. They still want civilian
control, and you notice where that control lies.
Control lies in these skeleton organizations
that would become fully effective upon the overturning
of Posse Comitatus.

The reason this is being done is because they
don't trust the military. They want to have the
ability to politicize law enforcement, to use a
post-Posse Comitatus, militarized, domestic law
enforcement for political purposes.
This, in essence, will be a federal militarized
police, and they want the ability to use it for
political purposes. That's why they want the control
of a militarized police to remain, not simply in
civilian hands, but to be in the hands of former
Bushonian cabalists, like Porter Goss, current head of
the CIA and John Negroponte, head of the new National
Intelligence Directorate. These are people who have
run illegal covert operations during Bushonian regimes
in the past, who acted to cover up Bushonian
involvement, and who also selected and went after
those who knew too much.

This new scheme of civilian Homeland Security
control of the military is very similar to the Gestapo
during Nazi Germany. Actually, the Gestapo remained a
civilian-controlled police agency, and it was under a
lot of people's control. Ultimately, it was under
Heinrich Himmler's control, but command of the Gestapo
was broken up. Effectively, in whatever country it
operated, it was under the command of the German
military governor of that country, like Heidrich, the
most infamous of the Gestapo chieftains.

What the Hitler regime wanted was to be able to
militarize law enforcement but not have it under the
direct control of the military because Hitler didn't
trust the military. He wanted a police force with
military powers that could be used for political
purposes to squash all dissent, to ferret out those
who knew too much and eliminate them, to suborn,
misdirect, to harass, to intimidate, and to spread
fear of all those who had criticized the State.
This is what Chertoff effectively is now going
to be doing with our law enforcement: to allow for the
militarization of law enforcement through the
overturning of Posse Comitatus, but to insure that the
military doesn't control it, and that it remains under
political control within the Cabal so it can be used
for political purposes.

snip--

http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/1973043.html

http://www.almartinraw.com/
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:53 AM
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37. I see now
You "support the troops" but you don't trust them or care for them. How nice.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:26 AM
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39. Great post nonny
Deserves a thread of it's own.

It's a very good analysis of what is happening.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:47 PM
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49. thanks, nonny....
it's important to keep adding whatever we find, as it all seems to end up connecting in the long run.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:10 PM
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28. Madcow and Minstrel Boy pegged the rotten BFEE turd Chertoff
Sorry so late to the party, blm. I had to reprimer the Jeep...

Daniel Hopsicker wrote Chertoff defended a guy who looks like an important associate of Atta:



Did Bush's Homeland Terror Chief Shield Terror Ring in New Jersey?

January 12, 2005 - Venice, FL

Michael Chertoff, appointed by President Bush to head the Homeland Security Department, may have shielded from criminal prosecution a former client suspected by law enforcement of having funneled millions of dollars directly to Osama Bin Laden while in charge of the U.S. Government’s 9.11 investigation.

Egyptian-born Dr. Magdy el-Amir, a prominent New Jersey neurologist, was at the center of terrorist intrigue in Jersey City.

* El-Amir gave money to a conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman.
* His brother in Cairo was caught on tape attempting to buy weapons from an American undercover agent for Islamic militant groups.
* Before being arrested in a terrorist deal involving oil and heroin for guns and training, arms smuggler Diaa Mohsen was paid at least $5,000 by one of Dr. el Amir's companies, NBC’s Dateline reported.
* And his HMO was suspected by law enforcement of being used to funnel money directly to Osama bin laden.  

Wire Transfers to "Unknown Parties"

Chertoff’s client "caused more than $5.7 million to be paid by wire transfers to unknown parties," said the lawsuit filed shortly before the state took over his failing HMO.

SNIP...

“The report alleges that an HMO owned by Dr. el Amir in New Jersey was “funded by Ben Laden,” and that in turn Dr. el Amir was skimming money from the HMO to fund “terrorist activities.”’…

“Less than a year after the congressman says the FBI received the report, Dr. el Amir’s HMO was taken over by the state of New Jersey… according to sources close to the investigation, more than $15 million is unaccounted for. Where did the money go? DATELINE has reviewed documents that show at least some of it went into hard-to-trace offshore bank accounts”…

“But the intelligence report suggests one thing that he doesn’t deny, that he has donated money to the mosque where the blind sheik once preached, Omar Abdel-Rahman, who is now in prison for his role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing”…

“DATELINE has found another reason why federal investigators might want to pay close attention to Dr. el Amir and his family. It’s something we learned when we interviewed Randy Glass, the con man-turned-undercover operative who helped the government break up an illegal weapons ring allegedly tied to terrorist groups. It turns out that one of the people recorded trying to arrange an arms deal with Randy Glass was Dr. el Amir’s own brother, Mohamed, an engineer, also a US citizen now living in Egypt. And just listen to what he was interested in”…

CONTINUED...

http://www.madcowprod.com/01122004.html



Gee. Some lawyers will do anything for a buck.

I'll get Minstrel-san's stuff ASAFP. It's dynamite.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:13 PM
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29. What Minstrel San said...
This guy'd make a darn good analyst...

Michael Chertoff and the sabotage of the Ptech investigation

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/01/michael-chertoff-and-sabotage-of-ptech.html

Friday PM, at the latest, I'll have some stuff on the Chertoff-BCCI angle -- Sot's Honor, blm!
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:34 PM
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30. good eve Octafish
Isn't BCCI Pakistani--I was wondering if there is any connection between BCCI and debt forgiveness of Pakistani debt by the US?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:37 AM
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43. And the reason BushInc looks the other way when Khan should be on trial
and forced to reveal all he knows about nuclear proliferation throughout the 80s and 90s. But, Khan won't get too much attention, as he and his bosses in Pakistan were Poppy's partners in his own BCCI dealings.

Does anyone really believe that Poppy Bush woke up one day and swore off drug and arms dealing?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:32 PM
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58. Howdy, newspeak! BCCI links BushCo to Global Terror
First: I wish that I knew the answer to your question. It would seem to be a linkage between the two. The fact that BCCI touched both major American political parties and was ignored by the administrations of Jimmy Carter, Poppy Bush, Bill Clinton and Smirko McCokespoon might have something to do with debt relief.

What I do know: More than money, however, BCCI helped finance Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan's nuclear nutwork. The same people helped spread the "Islamic Bomb" technology to Iran and North Korea. Who gave that OK? Bush, Cheney and the rest of the BFEE decission makers.

Our friends at GlobalResearch do a nice job of bringing "ancient history" up to the present...



9/11: The BCCI Connection

by Chaim Kupferberg

EXCERPT...

In his landmark article, Chaim Kupferberg uses mostly mainstream sources to reconstruct the making of the Official 9/11 Legend.  Here, Kupferberg hypothesizes a covert global infrastructure behind the events of 9/11 - and lifts the veil to catch the lingering scent of BCCI.

With the above-stated hypothesis in mind, one should perhaps cast a discerning eye toward those manning the counter-terror posts in Los Angeles today - for an important element in John O'Neill's New York circle has recently relocated to the West Coast.  In particular, O'Neill's friend, John Miller, has left a lucrative job at ABC News in order to work under William Bratton in the Los Angeles counter-terror office.  Miller, some might recall, was one of the very few Americans to conduct a face-to-face interview with bin Laden before September 11.  Before he had come aboard as a correspondent for ABC News, Miller had worked under Bratton in the NYPD.  Bratton, through his acquaintance with O'Neill's friend Jerry Hauer, has also had intimate business dealings with Kroll Associates, the World Trade Center security firm which hired O'Neill.  

It is, in fact, security firms like Kroll Associates, Burns Security, Teg, Wackenhut, and their ilk that should garner our interest at least as much as the web of conservative think tanks that have welded in place the parameters of "mainstream" debate - for it is through these very firms that the former stars of law enforcement have gone through the revolving door into the lucrative private sector.  It is a world where former military types mix with various operatives of the CIA, FBI, DEA and any number of alphabet soup agencies charged with the security of our nation.  

Moreover, the top people in the private security sector have the authority, prestige, and, most importantly, the skill to carry out - successfully and below the radar - the kinds of domestic operations that have been pegged  as the province of shaggy al-Qaida operatives.  Who, after all, could best ensure that 19 terrorists would be able to make it aboard four separate flights without any real danger of detection?  And who, after all, would be best placed to ensure a complete and successful implosion of not just the two Twin Towers, but the neighboring building - 7 World Trade Center - which housed a bio-warfare "command and control bunker" under the direction of Jerry Hauer?  

CONTINUED...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP311A.html



Sorry to be so slow in responding, newspeak. This subject is huge and I need more time to gather my, uh, resources.

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:48 AM
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45. So interesting...
I have just started reading "The Outlaw Bank".
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 10:41 AM
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47. Wow....after reading that, you will be even more disgusted with BushInc.
and probably more disgusted that Clinton, in his naivete, allowed the books to be closed.

And all while a nation slept thanks to a timid media who was manipulated by the PR campaign obfuscating BCCI as a scandal and the PR campaign waged against Kerry as a "conspiracy theorist" by BushInc.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 11:23 PM
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32. Kick
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 06:12 PM
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52. "You must never grow weary..."
"...of doing what is right." -- 2 Thessalonians 13:3.

And that's why we never let up on the BFEE, eh, oasis?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:37 AM
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33. Sounds like a good plan to me. Not only to take down Chertoff but to
emphasize that Bush appointees have been DISASTROUS. The Congress, including all too many "Democrats," voted for monster after monster for the Bush government, saying "the President should be allowed to have the people he wants on his team."

Well, F**kers, it's NOT Bush's TEAM, it's OUR government and these incompetent, scheming, greedy monsters have driven this country into the slime in an amazingly short time.

So yes, by all means let's tell Chertoff's sorry back story and get him out of there, but not let this get Bush or Congress off the hook for destroying any honest, competent government in this country.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:09 AM
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40. Resume check time!
Incompetent, unqualified, party-line parrots EVERYWHERE!
GET RID OF THEM! THEY'RE SUCKING THE LIFE OUT OF THE PLANET!!!

Whew! There. I'm better now... :silly:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:26 AM
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44. I really believe we need to PILE ON with the facts. Few listened when we
put up alot of relevant info before. Now that the media has shown SOME signs of disenchantment with Bush, we may be able to steer more ears and eyeballs towards the truth.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:04 AM
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38. More on Chertoff
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 01:05 AM by snot
I found the info on Chertoff below by googling "mark lombardi" bcci chertoff.

In case you haven't heard of Lombardi, he was an artist who, back in the early 90's, started making beautiful, spidery charts of the relationships among the Bushes, the Bin Ladins, BCCI et al. He made his charts based on vast files of accumulated index cards using articles culled from the media and public records. He was found dead in his apartment and ruled a suicide. "The byzantine saga of BCCI's demise is plotted in the drawing that is perhaps Lombardi's masterwork, BCCI-ICIC-FAB, c. 1972-1991, (4th Version), 1996-2000. Unveiled in the landmark P.S. 1 exhibition "Greater New York" in 2000, this piece signaled Lombardi's arrival at the cusp of art world fame; it is now in the permanent collection of the Whitney Museum. A wall-size panel schematizing twenty years of suspect alliances amongst scores of players, BCCI-ICIC-FAB… was the last major work the artist made before his death." (http://www.wburg.com/0202/arts/lombardi.html ).

The catalogue of Lombardi's work entitled "Global Networks" has on it another BCCI-related chart, which includes Bush Jr., Lloyd Bentsen, James Bath, Harken Energy, Harvard Endowment, Bush Sr., Osama Bin Ladin, John Connally, Saudi Bank Paris, the RNS, BCCI, various Bass bros., and lots of sheiks and oil cos. These parties are connected by various kinds of relationships: ownership, loans, fellow-board-members, etc. (Sorry, I like art and couldn't resist.)

Here's the info I found by googling lombardi and chertoff (from http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/01/michael-chertoff-and-sabotage-of-ptech.html ):

Michael Chertoff and the sabotage of the Ptech investigation
Remember Ptech? That's the Boston software firm financed by Saudi businessman Yassin Al-Qadi, who also happens to be an al Qaeda bagman, whose clients happened to include numerous sensitive US federal branches and agencies, including the FAA, the FBI, the military and the White House.

A little background, from the mainstream, even, thanks to WBZ-TV:

Joe Bergantino, a reporter for WBZ-TV's investigative team, was torn. He could risk breaking a story based on months of work investigating a software firm linked to terrorism, or heed the government's demand to hold the story for national security reasons. In mid-June, Bergantino received a tip from a woman in New York who suspected that Ptech, a computer software company in Quincy, Mass., had ties to terrorists. Ptech specialized in developing software that manages information contained in computer networks.

Bergantino's investigation revealed that Ptech's clients included many federal governmental agencies, including the U.S. Army, the U.S. Air Force, the U.S. Naval Air Command, Congress, the Department of Energy, the Federal Aviation Administration, the Internal Revenue Service, NATO, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secret Service and even the White House.

"Ptech was doing business with every federal government in defense and had access to key government data," Bergantino said.

...

Bergantino was ready to air the story by September, but the government had different plans. Federal authorities told Bergantino not to air the story because it would jeopardize their investigation and would threaten national security. According to federal authorities, documents would be shredded and people would flee if we ran the story, Bergantino said.

But Bergantino claims the government's demand to hold off on the story was merely a pretext.

In October 2001, President George W. Bush signed an executive order freezing the assets of individuals linked to terrorism. According to Bergantino, the list identified Saudi Arabian businessman Yassin Al-Qadi as a key financial backer of Osama Bin Laden. As it turns out, Bergantino said, Al-Qadi also is the chief financier of Ptech. The government failed to investigate Ptech in October 2001 and didn't start it's investigation until August 2002 when WBZ-TV's investigation called attention to Ptech.

Even if Ptech was unaware that the President's October 2001 order contained the name of its chief financier, documents seized in a March 2002 government raid revealed Ptech's connections with another organization linked to terrorism, Bergantino said. And again, the government failed to investigate Ptech.

Bergatino's tipster was Indira Singh, who has said she recognizes the separate command and control communications system Mike Ruppert describes Dick Cheney to have been running on September 11th as having "the exact same functionality I was looking to utilize Ptech."

Now, how does Chertoff figure in the Ptech story? It goes back to the turf war of two years ago over Operation Greenquest, "the high-profile federal task force set up to target the financiers of Al Qaeda and other international terrorist groups." The aggressive, Customs-led task force was folded into Homeland Security, sending both the FBI and its minders at the Department of Justice into a tizzy. They "demanded that the White House instead give the FBI total control over Greenquest."

Now, consider this, also from the two-year-old Newsweek:

The FBI-Justice move, pushed by DOJ Criminal Division chief Michael Chertoff and Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson, has enraged Homeland Security officials, however. They accuse the bureau of sabotaging Greenquest investigations—by failing to turn over critical information to their agents—and trying to obscure a decade-long record of lethargy in which FBI offices failed to aggressively pursue terror-finance cases.

...

One prime example of the tension is the investigation into Ptech, the Boston-area computer software firm that had millions of dollars in sensitive government contracts with the Air Force, the Energy Department and, ironically enough, the FBI. In what turned into a minor embarrassment for the bureau, the firm’s main investors included Yasin Al-Qadi, a wealthy Saudi businessman whom the Bush administration had formally designated a terrorist financier under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. Al-Qadi has vigorously denied any connection to terrorism.

The Ptech case turned into an ugly dispute last year when company whistleblowers told Greenquest agents about their own suspicions about the firm’s owners. Sources close to the case say those same whistleblowers had first approached FBI agents, but the bureau apparently did little or nothing in response. With backing from the National Security Council, Greenquest agents then mounted a full-scale investigation that culminated in a raid on the company’s office last December. After getting wind of the Greenquest probe, the FBI stepped in and unsuccessfully tried to take control of the case.

The result, sources say, has been something of a train wreck. Privately, FBI officials say Greenquest agents botched the probe and jeopardized other more promising inquiries into Al-Qadi. Greenquest agents dismiss the charges and say the problem is that the bureau was slow to respond to legitimate allegations that an outside contractor with terrorist ties may have infiltrated government computers.

Whatever the truth, there is no dispute that the case has so far produced no charges and indictments against Al-Qadi or anyone else connected with Ptech. The company has denied wrongdoing.

The turf war was won on May 13, 2003, when John Ashcroft and Tom Ridge signed a "Memorandum of Agreement bet7ween the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security, giving the FBI "unprecedented unilateral control of all terrorist-financing investigations and operations."

Several seasoned government agents fear for the nation’s security should the FBI be tackling most terrorism cases, as their ineptitude in preventing terrorism has been established time and time again. Yet, the memorandum between Ashcroft and Ridge places the FBI in an incredibly powerful position over Homeland Security. According to the memorandum, "all appropriate DHS leads relating to money laundering and financial crimes will be checked with the FBI."

Well, no reason to fear now, now that Michael Chertoff is heading up Homeland Security. Right?

Also, a noteworthy admission today from the Department of Justice, released in a "37-page, unclassified summary of a broader, 100-page internal review over Edmonds' case":

From Associated Press:

Evidence and other witnesses support complaints by a fired FBI contract linguist who alleged shoddy work and possible espionage within the bureau's translator program in the months after the September 2001 terror attacks, according to a report Friday by the senior oversight official at the Justice Department.

The department's inspector general, Glenn Fine, said the allegations by former translator Sibel Edmonds "raised substantial questions and were supported by various pieces of evidence." Fine said the FBI still has not adequately investigated the sensational claims.

A show of hands: how many have heard US cable news whisper, even once, the name "Sibel Edmonds"? I have. Once. It was about the time of Edmonds' press conference last Spring, held between sessions of Thomas Kean's 9/11 Commission. Paul Begalia, the designated liberal of CNN's Crossfire, gingerly raised her more reasonable-to-mainstream charges. (At least, those of which John Ashcroft's gag order permits her to speak.) Tucker Carlson, as if on cue, called her a "conspiracy theorist" and, I seem to recall, a "nutjob."

And according to CNN, that's the last we've heard of her.

Naturally, neither Sibel Edmonds nor Indira Singh, nor Ptech, warrant a mention in the official 9/11 Commission report. Though Edmonds is gagged, Singh did give testimony to the 9/11 Citizens' Commission, Sept 9, 2004 in New York. She read an open letter from Edmonds, and added "what I have uncovered in Ptech connects with some of the things that she has discovered. Sibel is not allowed to disclose content but she can ask me questions. I know some of the things that she mentioned there connect directly to what I discovered."

Further:

INDIRA SINGH: I did a number of things in my research and when I ran into the drugs I was told that if I mentioned the money to the drugs around 9/11 that would be the end of me. That is a current threat that I’m under and therefore I will speak out about the drugs at another forum.

I did not expect the Kean Commission to go anywhere near the FBI and Ptech. But I hope all Americans will demand answers regarding the FBI and Ptech. I would like to leave you with this one question. Not only why is Ptech still operating but why did Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Chertoff state that they cannot differentiate between terrorism, organized crime and drug dealing and is that the reason the Kean Commission will not make terrorism financing a priority in the future?

...

Ptech was with Mitre Corporation in the basement of the FAA for two years prior to 9/11. Their specific job is to look at interoperability issues the FAA had with NORAD and the Air Force in the case of an emergency. If anyone was in a position to know that the FAA, that there was a window of opportunity or to insert software or to change anything it would have been Ptech along with Mitre. And that ties right back to Michael Ruppert’s information.... The functionality that Michael is claiming that Dick Cheney utilized is the exact same functionality I was looking to utilize Ptech for in the bank. I was looking to set up a shadow surveillance system on everything going on, every transaction and the ability to backdoor, to look at information unobtrusively and to backdoor intelligent agents out there to do things that other people would not be aware of. To stop… in risk the whole shift is from bad things going on and finding it after the fact to preventing it from happening. So we were looking for patterns and have the intervention in there. So we were looking for interventive software, something that would stop. What Mike Ruppert is referring to is exactly the same kind of functionality…surveillance and intervention.

Another show of hands: have you heard anything like that, ever, on US cable news?


posted by Jeff at 1:29 PM
9 Comments:

Spooked said...
What a tangled web. Clearly ptech represent some nexus between the government and terorism that must not be revealed, and Chertoff is just the man to cover it up. I was reading an article about him earlier and it seems his whole career has been about covering up government secrets. I guess DHS is the perfect place for him then.

As far as Sibel Edmonds, I know she was slated to go on Paula Zahn, on CNN-- I know they did mention her name in a promo. I'm not sure if her segment ever aired though-- but I think it did. Edmonds is very attractive and I'm sure that swayed the CNN producers some. I saw a segment with Edmonds on Democracy Now right after the 9/11 commission report came out, and she was serious eye candy.

10:46 PM
Anonymous said...
Great article. Slowly the dots connect.

11:31 PM
Anonymous said...
Anonymus One,this reminds me of Billy Idle's album Cyber Punk,in the introduction he say's, information is the new currency,power.We find our selfs at the mercy of the news whores.The worst part is that most americans wouldn't belive this story if you hit them over the head with it.Oh,I did see Tim Russet ask Keen and Hamelton if they where going to talk a woman named Sible Edmonds,and it looked to me like both of their jaws hit the foor about the same time. Cover ups aren't easy, and this baby is starting to be get bigger than anyone could have ever thought,where is a Mark Lombardi when you need one,I don't think he could find a canvas to fit all these guys on,the octopus has taken over,later.

9:34 AM
bin'dare said...
Ptech may well have been a CIA asset but it certainly was not an example of "Al-Queda terrorist" infiltrating american government. Yet that is what Indira Singh claimed initially and in the process destroyed a rather promising company. Why? Was it because it was founded and run by a muslim with a number of muslim workers? That is certainly what gave the accusation traction.

Now she claims Ptech's software is the type that Ruppert says Cheney used on 9/11. How did she recognize it? she says: "I was looking to set up a shadow surveillance system on everything going on, every transaction and the ability to backdoor, to look at information unobtrusively and to backdoor intelligent agents out there to do things that other people would not be aware of." She is either lying, and if not, what the fuck is a consultant for a bank doing creating backdoor intelligent agents (i'm assuming these are software agents, not the physical thing)?

She stinks to high hell.
In response to the following headline she said "I am sure the families of the victims of 9/11 will be glad to hear that."

Rumored links to terrorism doomed business: But owner of former Quincy company has no hard feelings

QUINCY - The Marina Bay software company raided by federal agents in late 2002 has become a ‘‘virtual company'' with no offices or staff.
Publicity about a Customs Service raid on Ptech's headquarters made it impossible for the 10-year-old company to attract new clients, CEO Oussama Ziade said yesterday.
So it laid off the last of its 50-person work force in October, shuttered its office, and now markets its technology through a third party
(more)
http://ledger.southofboston.com/articles/2004/05/14/news/news04.txt

5:42 PM
Spooked said...
bin'dare-- you may be right about ptech and you've expressed doubts about Indira Singh before. What's your take on her? Is she simply full of it or a disinfo agent (or both)?

10:05 PM
bin'dare said...
spooked: i posted a longish piece on Indira Singh, it has not yet appeared. If it is still not here later, i will try to post it again tonight.

3:22 PM
bin'dare said...
The bottom line is this: Indira Singh has publicly called Ptech "Effectively an Al Qaeda corporate cell", if this is true then Al-Qaeda is for real (as in wanting to penetrate america to bomb it), is not US (as in government) connected, and the Saudi's did 9-11 because they financed Al-Qaeda. This is not our reading of the situation, so why would she say this, and why would she be supported in saying it?

I do not know the answer, but i will lay out what i know of her (if there is any interest, i can supply the citations later). She is at the nexus of a number of important 9/11 strands so there may well be a lot more to her story; it is unfortunate that we do not have much info on her.

On the morning of 9/11, Singh had two things on her mind: she was scheduled for a risk assessment meeting at the WTC and she was on call as an Emergency Medical Technician (EMT). She was running late and was worried about being late for the meeting.

When she fot news of the attacks she called her company (i assume JP Morgan) to say there was an emergency and then went to join the rescue as an EMT. Her particular pre-assignment (the reason she was on call) was for triage. (Triage is were victums are evaluated and sorted by immediacy of treatment.) There is a photo of her during the rescue altho I have not seen it.

In early december, she gives an interview with UPI decrying the deterioration of her health, before the attacks "she was a mountain climber and a pilot and in the top physical condition of her life but since then she has a cough, onset asthma, chest pain and headaches that won't quit". Apparently she had left her windows open and the dust had got in. By summer of 2004, she is accusing the government of lying about contamination, about the toxicity of the dust, and is a regular at community meetings. She believes the original 9/11 dust is still in her apartment and hired (in 2004) an environmental scientist to prove it.

During interviews, Singh would identify herself as a "risk architect", a position that does not exist (as best i can tell). I think she was a consultant with/for JP Morgan on "risk assesment": financial risk management can be defined as practices by which a firm optimizes the manner in which it takes financial risk. It got tricky in the late 90's because companies were combining financial risk management, insurance purchasing, and contingency planning into a single business unit, that is, merging finance and insurance. A number of financial scandals arising out of this combination were looming, Enron was just the tip of the iceberg.

Singh says she consulted with many companies and government agencies including DoD and DARPA, but is rather vague about what she actually did. The only thing i infer is that she had a relatively high security clearance. I should note that she says she is a lifetime New Yorker, she does not speak with a foreign accent, but I can find nothing about her prior to 2001.

She began interacting with Ptech in the spring of 2002. She writes to FrontPage magazine (a rabid anti-muslim, rabib pro-zionist, rabib pro-likud site) in jan 2003 that "My thanks to Stephen Schwartz whose book had not been published when I was trying to put the Ptech pieces together between May and August 2002". Schwartz was big on Operation GreenQuest, Saudi's and Wahhabbi's. She says "Ptech, the facts, the exposures, the rationale, the patterns and story those facts tell are explained only by the existence of something like Mr. Schwartz describes".

We now know that no terrorists have been successfully tried (in america) for money laundering, not a single one.

My gut feeling is Indira Singh bought into the muslim terrorist thing at the beginning, but is confused, and some people may be taking advantage of that. She recently said "I hold real data implicating the Bush Administration in the events of 9/11. For me to do something with it, I have to leave, if only to be able to breathe". She combines 9/11 conspiracy with her health and well being.

7:45 PM
Anonymous said...
have heard rumors of promis in ptech, if faa and norad were using this software on 911 they were in way over their head, is chertoff a jew

8:08 PM
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nonny Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:42 PM
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51. Speak of the Devil.......
Bush's DHS pick Chertoff involved in false flag U.S. state terror: 1993-2001's WTC hits

I'm not sure where to start and pick out a few paragraphs of this...

1. 1993's connections to Chertoff being an attorney for an Osama bin Laden (i.e,. the cover for the CIA = al-CIAda) terrorism financier MAGDY ELAMIR connected with the 1993 WTC hits and the mosque where the false flagger agents were recruited. Interesting that hardcore rabbi Zionist Chertoff is a defense attorney for a Muslim terrorist, eh? He sure must see some important benefit for his friends, in his view, to support the people involved in terrorism hits on the U.S

2. 1999 Project Dimondback connection with MAGDY ELAMIR & CHERTOFF once more, where ELAMIR attempts to get nuclear technology to bin Laden. Despite this, Chertoff makes sure that Elamir AVOIDS ALL CHARGES despite being caught red handed.

3. Chertoff being THE ONE who let all the 100s of 9-11 connected ZIONIST SPIES LEAVE THE U.S. despite failing their lie detector tests.




January 23, 2005
Michael Chertoff, Homeland Nominee Aided a 911 Terrorist

As incredible as this news may seem, it has now been revealed that the
nominee of President Bush for the new Secretary of Homeland Security,
Michael Chertoff, has ties with a man suspected of financing the 911
attacks, Dr. Magdy Elamir. There is also convincing evidence that Chertoff
as head of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Justice Department shielded
this financier of 911 from prosecution in a terrorist case.

The Record newspaper of Bergen County, New Jersey on June 20, 2000 shows
that Chertoff defended Magdy Elamir who was sued by the State of New
Jersey for $16.7 million dollars in losses. Over $5.7 million went to
unknown partiesby means of wire transfers to bank accounts where the
beneficial owner of the account is unknown.

Who is Elamir Magdy, Chertoffs important client? On the NBC program,
Dateline, on August 2, 2002, Rep. Ben Gilman, R-NY, of the House
International Relations Committee was quoted as saying in 1998 that Magdy
Elamir had financial ties with Osama bin Laden for years.

In fact, Elamir even had strong connections with the first World Trade
Center bombing in 1993.



Chertoff was one of the chief architects of the Title III of the USA PATRIOT Act, also known as the International Money Laundering Abatement and Financial Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001.

Chertoff was then nominated to the Third Circuit U.S Court of Appeals in June 2003. Though there is no formal career path for federal judges, it is common for appellate judges to have served as district judges prior to appointments, according to the Administrative Office of the United States Courts.

Despite having never served in the judiciary, Chertoff was made a federal judge whose jurisdiction includes Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and the Virgin Islands.

After 19 months, President Bush nominated Chertoff to the position of Secretary of Homeland Security.

Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a government advocacy watchdog agency, has noticed Chertoff's advancement from Assistant Attorney General of the Department of Justice to Secretary of Homeland Security nominee over the past four years.

"It's an exceptional rise to power," said Fitton.


much more at link
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/309109.shtml
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 06:39 PM
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53. Chertoff's a pure turd of the BFEE.
He passed the "loyalty" test. Chertoff's loyal to BFEE, not US Constitution. After using his office as US Attorney to shred the Constitution, he led Smirko's New Jersey campaign in 2000. A fine turd.



A Legal Storm Trooper

Chertoff No Friend of Immigrants


By TOM BARRY

Silver City, New Mexico

Michael Chertoff, who replaced Tom Ridge as the administration's new chief of the homeland security department, has been praised by the president as a "brilliant thinker" and a tough prosecutor.

But his record on immigration cases as an appeals court judge and head of the Justice Department's criminal division under Attorney General John Ashcroft shows an anti-immigrant bias that has many human rights advocates worried.

As Homeland Security director, Chertoff is now in charge of determining the color of the day's terror alert and overseeing what the administration has described as the "home front" in its war against terrorism.

Like other recent appointments, Chertoff's prime qualification for the job is that he has proved himself to be a Bush loyalist. Chertoff, who helped write the U.S. Patriot Act, has little to show in the way of actual achievements in directing criminal prosecutions against any of the many hundreds of suspected terrorists detained by the Justice Department. Nonetheless, following the pattern set by the promotions of Alberto Gonzales and Condoleezza Rice to attorney general and secretary of state, Chertoff has fallen upwards in the second Bush administration.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/barry04012005.html

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 06:54 PM
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54. Ashcroft's Top Gremlin
An attorney who follows the courts penned that the ultimate goal of the neocon turdballs is to destroy the Federal judiciary:



Michael Chertoff: Ashcroft's Top Gremlin

Spreading Mischief from DoJ to the Federal Bench


By ELAINE CASSEL
June 11, 2003

I have been watching John Ashcroft so long that it is getting to be a little boring. Promising to use all available means to "fight terrorism," prosecuting every violation of law "to the fullest extent of the law," desperately wanting the death penalty for every possible offense, and, according to his remarks last week before the Senate Judiciary committee, wanting laws changed to impose the death penalty for even more offenses. Ashcroft changes law and procedure by signing Executive Orders, and yes, he can get away with that unless a court stops him. So far, no court has. Some congressional members, damn few, express mild dismay at his tactics, such as locking up resident aliens after 9/11 and holding some of them for months without access to family or lawyers (or charges), then deporting many on the most technical visa violations (some of them the fault of INS, over which he has authority). It never ends-the Ashcroft watch. It only gets worse, and more frightening.

But now I have a new gremlin to watch, someone who is as intent on undermining the law and Constitution as Ashcroft. I am referring to the man behind the criminal prosecution of terrorists, Michael Chertoff. Chertoff, former chief of the Justice Department's criminal division, and a scary looking guy if ever there was one, has been elevated to the level of Court of Appeals judge--the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals, whose jurisdiction includes Delaware, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. What's so scary about Michael? Well, besides having no judicial experience and being a right-ring radical who does not believe in the Constitution and wants to rewrite federal law and rules of procedure on an ad hoc, case by case basis, as it suits him, nothing I guess.

A good place to look for Chertoff's legal philosophy is in the prosecution of Zacarias Moussaoui , now taking place in the Eastern District of Virginia. Chertoff is not the prosecutor of course, Paul McNulty of the Eastern District is. But Chertoff is McNulty's boss and he is calling the shots. So Chertoff argued the government's case in the super secret hearing before the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals last week. The government is trying to block trial judge Leonie Brinkema's ruling that Moussaoui and his lawyers have access to the government's star witnesses against him. The government has refused and appealed. Judge Brinkema, who still believes in the Constitution, rightly ruled that to deny Moussaoui that access is a blatant violation of the Sixth Amendment right to confront witnesses.

Brinkema indicates that she will not be a party to making exceptions to the Constitution on a case-by-case basis. She, in effect, suggests that maybe Justice better take Moussaoui to Guantanamo and try him there in secret, in the military tribunals they set up. Easy there to not only try him, but convict him, and execute him . So why is the government insisting on keeping him in federal court?

I have the answer, and it lies in Chertoff. Chertoff's goal, I believe, and the goal of Ashcroft and Bush in supporting this prosecution in federal court, is to subject federal trials, as they see fit, to ad hoc exemptions of whatever laws (be they constitutional, criminal code, or rules of procedure) that will suit their purposes. Their grand scheme is to ultimately cripple and dismantle the federal courts as we know them, one brick at a time.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/cassel06112003.html



If the judiciary is completely bought-and-sold by BushCo -- the BFEE -- investigation, indictment and prosecution of the traitors becomes nearly impossible.

Now that doesn't mean we let up on them, though. Let's see what else we can unearth...
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:12 PM
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55. Like Cockroaches
These people seem to be everywhere. And what, I have to ask, was the real reason they delayed getting help to NO? To see how far they could go, how much Americans would swallow and walk on by?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:13 PM
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56. Compared to Chertoff, Ming the Merciless seams like a nice guy.
One of these co-authored the USA PATRIOT Act...



Separated at birth? Speak of the devil. Birthed by separation?

He sounds like a pure neocon, willing to do whatever it takes to protect the usual suspects...



'Let's Not Let Them Get Johnnie Cochran on the Phone'

by Nat Hentoff
The Village Voice
June 27th, 2003

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You decide, from what follows, whether Michael Chertoff is fit to be a federal appellate judge. Worth keeping in mind is what Democratic congresswoman Linda Sánchez of California said during John Ashcroft's June 5 testimony before the House Judiciary Committee. She skeptically asked Ashcroft to comment on a pledge she says Chertoff made during the roundup of immigrants that "every one of the detainees has the right to counsel, and every one of the detainees has the right to make phone calls to attorneys."
 
The attorney general did not respond to her request for an answer.
 
In his book After, Steve Brill, based on his sources, reports that in the strategy sessions at the Justice Department, Chertoff, agreeing that the detainees should be held for long periods of questioning, said that even if some got a hearing, "the hearings could not only be done in secret, but also could be delayed, and that even after the hearings were held and they were ordered deported , there was nothing in the law that said they absolutely had to be deported immediately. They could be held still longer."
 
As for the detainees' right to contact lawyers, Chertoff and the others in the room, reports Brill, knew that under INS rules, the prisoners "were entitled to call a lawyer from jail, but the lists the INS provided of available lawyers invariably had phone numbers that were not in service." (Emphasis added.)
 
Brill adds that "according to one person who says he was there, someone in the room remarked that the government should not try too hard to make sure these people could contact lawyers. 'Let's not make it so they can get Johnnie Cochran on the phone,' another lawyer added."

CONTINUED...

http://www.masnet.org/articleinterest.asp?id=213



Interesting Wikipedia factoid: Bill Bradley asked Clinton to keep Chertoff on as US Attorney for New Jersey in 1993, the only one retained by the new administration.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Chertoff
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:16 PM
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57. Yes, Chertoff is Russian for Devil.
Edited on Fri Sep-16-05 07:24 PM by Independent_Liberal
It was mentioned on this site.

www.oilempire.us
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:34 PM
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59. Kerry will take care of that.
I'm sure of it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:48 PM
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60. Hate him all you want, but you wouldn't know HALF of what you know about
BushInc if it wasn't for his relentlessness.

You would choose to give all benefit of the doubt to someone who SUPPORTED Reagan/Bush on IranContra before you would cut Kerry some slack for almost singlehandedly working to expose IranContra and BCCI while the entire powerstructure in DC worked against him.

But, YOU think he deserves to be kicked at every opportunity while you have nothing to say against any Dem who stood by and chose to NOT HELP OR SUPPORT Kerry in his work.

Not one President. Not one Governor. Not one Senator. Few Congress members.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:59 PM
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61. It was a positive post.
Edited on Fri Sep-16-05 08:07 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
I just posted what you've been saying for years.

Nobody knows the BFEE like Kerry.

Kerry will take care of it.

Count on it.










Edit to add: Just because it hasn't happened in the years that you've been talking about it doesn't mean that it isn't going to happen. Eventually.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 08:08 PM
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62. If Kerry was in the Oval Office he would open those books. Few Dems would.
Mike Webb was counting on it, too, wasn't he?

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 08:17 PM
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63. I voted for the guy.
It'd be infinately better than this bullshit.

But woefully short of what should be.

Note: Webb is excellent.

Second note: Kerry will expose the BFEE. We'll celebrate the 20th year anniversary of when he's gonna do that soon. :toast:

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:40 AM
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68. If if was a skiff
Kerry would expose the BFEE.

:eyes:

Get over it. As soon as the CIA got involved Kerry got silent.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 08:26 PM
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64. How Chertoff ties to BCCI and 911
Now we're getting someplace.

Here we go: "Bernie Kerik's looking good now."



Serious Questions for Michael Chertoff; Bernie Kerik’s Not Looking So Bad Now

By Allan P. Duncan
January 30, 2005

EXCERPT...

Operation Diamondback dealt with much more than what I have presented in regards to Dr. Elamir and his brother. The case also involved other Middle Eastern men operating in Jersey City with ties to Dr. Elamir and his brother. Three of these men attempted to secure components for nuclear Dirty Bombs and also wanted to secure Plutonium. They also tried to buy 500 Stinger Missiles. In one instance one of the men who was named as a member of the Pakistani ISI, pointed towards the World Trade Center and stated “Those towers are coming down.” The conversation was recorded by the FBI’s Terrorism Task Force and yet nothing was done with the information as we found out the hard way on 9-11. (1)

The suspects named in Operation Diamondback are now known to have had ties to AQ Khan’s nuclear weapons network operating out of Pakistan. This info was not known during the operation by the ATF and FBI Agents who worked on the case. Dateline NBC revealed this information on January 14, 2005. ATF Agent Dick Stoltz who supervised Operation Diamondback had this to say:

“In the summer of 1999, a group of illegal weapons dealers were meeting at a warehouse in Florida, their conversations recorded by federal investigators. One of the men, from Pakistan, was seeking technology for nuclear weapons. Who did he say he was working for?

Dick Stoltz: “Dr. Abdul Khan.”

Chris Hansen: “A.Q. Khan.”

Dick Stoltz: “A.Q. Khan.”

Former federal undercover agent Dick Stoltz was posing as a black market arms dealer.

Hansen: “Did you realize what you had at the time?”

Stoltz: “No. We didn't.”

But now he does -- because A.Q. Khan is considered, by some, to be the most dangerous man in the world. Why? Because Dr. Khan has peddled nuclear weapons technology to some of the countries the United States considers most dangerous, and some accepted his offers.”


Further on:

“Undercover federal agent Dick Stoltz says there's evidence Khan's operatives were at work here in the U.S., like a man who asked if Stoltz could supply heavy water, an ingredient used to make plutonium for nuclear bombs.

Stoltz: “He said that Dr. Khan was handling the negotiations behind the scene, as far as-- the heavy water.”


CONTINUED...

http://www.opednews.com/duncan_013005_chertoff_questions.htm



A guy must have some kind of security clearance, to be an untouchable traitor. So, yeh. It seems some very high-ups involved in covering up AQ Khan's actions. No wonder the BFEE burned Valerie Plame.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 08:37 PM
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65. Chertoff knows all the right people.
From Mr. Duncan's analysis:



When the attacks on 9-11 occurred, Michael Chertoff was placed in charge of the investigation. On Oct. 25, 2001, CBS reported that the Feds had launched Operation Green Quest in an attempt to stop the financing of terrorism. Here’s what Dr. Magdy Elamir’s former attorney had to say on the subject:

"The lifeblood of terrorism is money, and if we cut the money we cut the blood supply," said assistant attorney general Michael Chertoff, the head of the Justice Department's criminal division. (7)

The next day, on October 26, 2001, Michael Chertoff testified before Congress and had this to say:

“As an integral part of this national effort, the Department of Justice and the FBI have established an interagency Financial Review Group to coordinate the investigation of the financial aspects surrounding the terrorist events of September 11th and beyond. All members of this Committee recognize the importance of understanding the financial components of terrorist and criminal organizations. These financial links will be critical to the larger criminal investigation, while also providing a trail to the sources of funding for these heinous crimes. The importance of "following the money," in this instance, as well as in the investigation of all criminal enterprises, cannot be overstated.

The members of this Committee are also well aware that money laundering constitutes a threat to the safety of our communities, to the integrity of our financial institutions and to our national security.” (8)

On March 25, 2002, CNN reported:

“Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff is the Dick Cheney of the Justice Department. Brainy, intense and well connected, the former federal prosecutor can usually be found at Attorney General John Ashcroft's elbow as the department's top counterterrorism tactician. And last week Chertoff vanished to an undisclosed location.

With no deputies along and no publicity, Chertoff was on a stealthy swing through France, Belgium and the Netherlands. His mission: sell Western European governments on a new Bush Administration plan to post U.S. Justice Department prosecutors overseas in unprecedented numbers. "The sinews that hold a terrorist network together are money, communications and transportation," Chertoff told TIME before his trip. To help sever those sinews, Chertoff wants to have American prosecutors stationed in key capitals, where they can work behind the scenes with their counterparts to overcome the legal and cultural obstacles to shipping evidence to the U.S. for use in court.” (9)


I find it very interesting that Michael Chertoff, the man tapped to cut off the flow of finances to known terrorists, had in fact represented a man from 1998-2000 who allegedly had ties to Osama Bin Laden and may have sent millions of dollars to him.

I also find it interesting, that while Michael Chertoff served as Assistant United States Attorney and then United States Attorney for New Jersey from 1987 to 1994, that terrorist acts, including the first World Trade Center bombing, were perpetrated under his watch and were fueled from a mosque in Jersey City that was never shut down and still exists today. Chertoff’s former client, Dr. Magdy Elamir, is known to have supported the mosque financially while having suspected ties to Osama Bin Laden. Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the 1993 bombing, just happens to be the nephew of the 9-11 mastermind, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

If you read my entire four part article you will discover a wealth of information about terrorist activities in the North Jersey area from before the 1993 bombing through 9-11 with a lot of evidence that many of the 9-11 hijackers spent time in North Jersey before the attacks.

CONTINUED...

http://www.opednews.com/duncan_013005_chertoff_questions.htm



Gee. What an interesting series of coincidences. Petrobillions. Terror. Neocons. Ashcroft's right hand turdball. Nice.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 08:52 AM
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66. Chertoff was there to BLOCK real investigations and focus on minor terror
links unassociated with the BFEE. All the BCCI characters would escape pursuit because they were all linked to the Bushes and their cronies.

If Chertoff was serious about examining the terror issue from the financial angle, he would have asked Kerry's office for assistance and consultation, since there was noone who understood that issue more than Kerry - any REAL patriot concerned with doing the best job possible to keep the citizens safe would have put partisanship aside and consulted Kerry.

Just like if Bush cared about this nation being well-served, he would have retained the best FEMA director in history - James Lee Witt. But, his partisanship and ego only allowed him to put those political operatives loyal to him in place to enrich the Bush family fortunes and those of their longtime cronies.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:34 PM
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67. Operation DIAMONDBACK
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 12:35 PM by Octafish
The turd is a regular BFEE fire extinguisher. An excellent example of what you describe, blm:



Security Risk?

by: Melissa Johnson and Sander Hicks, News Reporter and Special to the Star - January 20, 2005

Federal Appeals Court Judge Michael Chertoff’s ties to the financiers of the Sept. 11 attacks may prevent his confirmation as Homeland Security Chief.

According to a June 20, 2000 article in the The Record of Bergen County, New Jersey, Chertoff defended accused terrorist financier Dr. Magdy Elamir.

Elamir’s HMO was sued by the State of New Jersey to recoup $16.7 million in losses. At least $5.7 million went “to unknown parties... by means of wire transfers to bank accounts where the beneficial owner of the account is unknown,” according to the article.

Foreign intelligence reports given to then chairman of the House International Relations Committee Ben Gilman,
R-New York, in 1998 accused Magdy Elamir of having “had financial ties with Osama bin Laden for years,” according to an Aug. 2, 2002 Dateline NBC broadcast.

In 1999, Magdy Elamir and brother Mohamed were named suspects in Operation Diamondback, an FBI/ATF undercover infiltration of Pakistani arms merchants who sought to arm Osama bin Laden with conventional and nuclear weapons, according to independent researcher and former New Jersey police officer Allan Duncan and taped transcripts with FBI informant Randy Glass.

BIG SNIP...

“By the time Operation Diamondback culminated in arrests in the summer of 2001, Michael Chertoff was the Assistant Attorney General in charge of the criminal division and Operation Diamondback would have fallen under his prevue since it was a criminal case and not a counterterrorism case,” Duncan said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.oilempire.us/chertoff.html



BFEE S.O.P. -- Employ and apply legal representation that isn't loyal to the client or the country -- only to the BFEE. Remember "Smear Boat" John O'Neill also represented Bill White, James R Bath's one-time business partner. White was amazed at how the judge never ruled for him -- despite the evidence and his lawyer's counsel.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3571293

Thanks for reminding us about the road map, blm. It isn't ancient history as long as the perps can be caught, indicted and put behind bars.

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