Pledge ruling...oh bother

[LuckyTheDog]

While I agree with this ruling, I also know that it will give the anti-judicialist camp something to rant about. It'll be painful to listen to their shrill denunciations:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/14/D8CK7FLO8.html

Of course, they all will ignore the fact that the phrase "under God" was added to the pledge in the 50s and was not part of the original text.

[longship]

1. Well, join the flamefest.

We have to deal with this. Please don't take a position that Dems need to sign on to some dumb "Save the Pledge" amendment. We have to protect our Constitution no matter what the attack.

[LuckyTheDog]

2. Here's how to "save" the Pledge

We should revert to the original wording. Problem solved.

[longship]

3. This one. I agree.

"I pledge allegience to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty, equality, and justice for all."
Ralph Bellamy, 1892

[sui generis]

4. EXACTLY

But then this isn't really about patriotism or about anything other than in-your-face religion or they would have voluntarily changed it out of sheer respect a long long time ago and it wouldn't even be an issue.

[0rganism]

6. Problem NOT solved, since that IS the problem

At heart, it is not a question of having a pledge of allegiance in the public schools, but rather of having a reference to divinity in that pledge. So the electoral liability of "removing GAWD from our public schools" is necessarily weighed against the Jeffersonian notion of church-state separation by any politician, no matter how secular their personal lives.

Sadly, the vast majority of people in this country are all for having a theistic injection into as many public services and facilities as possible.

[damntexdem]

5. I for one am glad.

And I hope that it does go to the SCOTUS.

I would love for school children to be asked to pledge:
'I pledge allegiance to my flag, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' When it comes time to say the Pledge in whatever venue, that IS the version that I recite -- the original one.

[TahitiNut]

7. Children, who cannot even sign a contract, should not be coerced

... into reciting a pledge of any kind, let alone one that cites a religious belief. Get the coerced pledge out of public schools completely!!

[Tactical Progressive]

8. A nation of no religion

I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one nation, of no religion, with liberty and justice for all.


America is a nation of no religion and I think that needs to be affirmed. It is a nation which respects any religion, or none, of its citizens.
Which is different thing entirely.

[MsTryska]

9. haha - i posted the same thing here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4770712&mesg_id=4770712



and yeah - they're gonna be soem major "activist judge!" screaming going on.



what's truly ironic is if we jsut went back to the Original Pledge as the socialist who wrote it had envisioned, we wouldn't be having these sorts of cases.