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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:17 PM
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"One nation, under women, with liberty and justice for all"
We've been "under" the so-called "Father" for long enough. It's time for a change.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:25 PM
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1. It's about time that women were on top
sorry, couldn't resist :evilgrin:

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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:29 PM
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2. yep
The whole God thing has a lot of sexual implications.

And the whole Strict Father thing that Republicans are about. Bondage.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:51 PM
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4. Oh, well, of course I'd considered the gender-politics of my joke
and came to the same conclusion :P

Seriously though, they want complete and total control and they keep on breeding new generations who react to that complete control with a desire for complete control - its a viscious cycle.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:36 PM
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3. One Nation Under Godess, with liberty and Justice for All
NT
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 06:54 PM
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5. Why do we have a Pledge?
How about "One nation with liberty and justice for all"

Why do we need to be "under" anything? Well maybe nowadays Homeland Security wants us to be "One nation, under the bed cowering, with liberty and justice for all"
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:12 PM
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6. I'd be happy with that...
"One nation with liberty and justice for all"
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:15 PM
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7. Do they even teach that in history classes?
Why the "Under God" was added to that pledge?

And again, why do we need children to say a pledge?


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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:25 PM
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8. I doubt it
I would love it if students in grade school learned that the writer of the pledge was a socialist.

" Lost in the public dispute is any understanding of what its author, Francis Bellamy, was trying to accomplish—or its relevance for today. Bellamy, a Baptist minister, wrote the pledge in 1892 during the Gilded Age, when reformers were outraged by the behavior of corporate robber barons who were exploiting workers, gouging consumers and corrupting politics with their money. Bellamy was a leading Christian socialist who hoped that the pledge, and especially the line "one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all," would promote a more egalitarian vision.

Bellamy's view that unbridled capitalism, materialism and individualism betrayed America's promise was widely shared in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Many American radicals and progressive reformers proudly asserted their patriotism. To them, the U.S. stood for basic democratic values: economic and social equality, mass participation in politics, free speech and civil liberties, elimination of the second-class citizenship of women and racial minorities, a welcome mat for the world's oppressed people.

Most Americans are unaware that much of our patriotic culture—including many of the symbols and songs that have become increasingly popular since Sept. 11—were created by writers of decidedly left-wing sympathies.

Consider Emma Lazarus' words, written in 1883 and inscribed on the Statue of Liberty: "Give me your tired, your poor / Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." She was a well-respected poet, a strong supporter of Henry George's "socialistic" single-tax program and a friend of William Morris, a leading British socialist. Her welcome to the "wretched refuse" of the Earth was meant to project an inclusive and egalitarian definition of the American dream.

The words to "America the Beautiful" were written in 1893 by Katherine Lee Bates, a professor of English at Wellesley College. Bates was a poet and a lesbian whose book "America the Beautiful and Other Poems" expressed outrage over U.S. imperialism in the Philippines. She was part of progressive reform circles in the Boston area concerned about labor rights, urban slums and women's suffrage. The poem's final line—"and crown thy good with brotherhood, from sea to shining sea"—is an appeal for social justice.

Many Americans consider Woody Guthrie's song "This Land Is Your Land," penned in 1940, to be our unofficial national anthem. Guthrie was inspired to write it as an answer to Irving Berlin's popular "God Bless America," which he thought failed to recognize that America belonged to "the people." The lyrics reflect Guthrie's fusion of patriotism and support for the underdog. He celebrates the nation's natural beauty and bounty but criticizes the country for its failure to share its riches, reflected in the song's last and least-known verse: "One bright sunny morning in the shadow of the steeple / By the relief office I saw my people. / As they stood hungry I stood there wondering / If this land was made for you and me?" "

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/pledge.htm


Another famous socialist, Helen Keller, helped found the ACLU. They should teach that in schools, also.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:30 PM
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10. I learned the pledge w/o under God...was in school when change made
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:28 PM
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9. And we have a winner!
Edited on Wed Sep-14-05 09:54 PM by cynatnite
A matriarchal society is what we need. Women can't do any worse than the men have.


edited for a big blunder
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:34 PM
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11. I assume you meant
A "matriarchal society is what we need". (We already have the patriarchal one).



Actually - a lot of people would be happy with an equal society.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:53 PM
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12. oops...you're right n/t
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:58 PM
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13. Okay, can it with the sexist claptrap....
Edited on Wed Sep-14-05 10:00 PM by chaska
It's wrong when men dish it up, and it's likewise wrong when women dish it.

And NO loyalty oaths of any kind.

Edit: The problem is not men, it's bad men ... and women.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:06 PM
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14. I think most people don't have a clue how much sexist "claptrap"
we all put up with every day of our lives.

So "can" the pledge - that would be a start. Or at least "can" the God part.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:16 PM
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15. CAN THE CLAPTRAP.
That's a new one. For the Sexist bullfuckingshit.

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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:31 PM
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16. "Under Nature"
"A part of the Universe"

Just think of the possibilities.




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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:40 PM
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17. "One nation, United, with liberty and justice for all..."
"....and plenty of women contributing valuable skills:
being able to think/do MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME
LISTENING/COMMUNICATING
NOT ALWAYS HAVING TO BE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get the killers and bullies out of power. They are destroying the planet. Which we are part of.
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