MIchael Moore is advertising Wesley Clark's....

[Bread and Circus]

New Hampshire Town Hall Meeting
on his home page of his website.

Anyone care to comment?

[gully]

1. link?

thanks...

[Bread and Circus]

3. Here ya go...

www.michaelmoore.com

It is near the bottom.

[gully]

14. Thanks.

I know he encouraged Clark to run. Me thinks he wants redemption for election 2000? ;)

[rhite5]

45. Clarifying misconceptions ....

Just to clarify several people's misconception here ......

It is true Michael Moore strongly supported Nader in 2000 and he could safely vote for Nader without hurting Gore because he lives in New York, a safe (blue) state where everyone knew Gore would win handily. In the final week/days before the 2000 election when he saw how close Bush and Gore were in the polls in some states, he tried to get Nader to stop campaigning in the close states and even flew to Florida where Nader was speaking to plead with him in person. He was not successful, but he tried hard.

Read his book, Stupid White Men, for the whole story.

I live in a state that could have gone either way. I wanted to vote for Nader, but I did not dare do so. My state barely got into the Gore column after recounts.

[sasquatch]

2. Micheal shoud know better!!

just my opinion

[vincentwithak]

4. Moore must be desperate...

Saddening isn't it? Who'd of thought we'd ever see the day when Moore would 'support' a Republican. I thought he wanted Bush out of office. Sigh. Another one bites the dust.

[Name removed]

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[jiacinto]

6. Well

If he truly never wanted Bush in office he wouldn't have supported Nader.

[Bread and Circus]

12. Maybe he's making an atonement...

for his sins.

I just find it interesting that's all.

I have mixed feelings about Mike but frankly
you gotta hand it to the guy for his Academy
Award Speech.

[Name removed]

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[eleny]

10. Nope

[gully]

11. Welcome to DU

Vincentwithak. :toast:

[Bread and Circus]

16. Now, I wonder why the response got deleted...

but not the post calling Clark a Republican.

I thought calling the Democratic Candidates Republicans
was against the rules in the GD forum...

Here's a test:

Kucinich is a Republican.....

[gully]

21. Because it's against the user rules to call someone a freeper

I found out the hard way... ;)

"Kucinich is a Republican" LOL

[Bread and Circus]

25. Yeah, I was just trying to make a funny....

Kucinich is no Republican, and we need to
get that cleared up right now!:evilgrin:

[roughsatori]

35. We all know Kucinich is not a Repuke, so when you say that of him

it is not provocative. However outside of Clark's supporters there are many of us who question the timing and depth of Clark's conversion to the Democratic party. That is why it is a hot topic and angers his followers.

[Rowdyboy]

44. Pardon me...

I've voted for every Democrat since 1972 and I do not appreciate anyone telling me that my candidate deserves different treatment because YOU don't think he's Democratic enough. I really avoid stooping to rudeness because its counter productive but you tempt me mightily. Thank God I am a patient man. Lets just see what our party chooses to do. I have a good feeling that I'll be much happier next fall than you will.

[Pastiche423]

48. You know what I don't appreciate?

People telling me that my opinion, that opinion that was formed during the same time that yours was, is rude. (Although you said it to another poster, mine is the same as the poster.)

I was politically naive once. I got taken a time or two, but I learned from it.

I wasn't taken this time. I smelled a scam from the git go. clark is as much a Dem as I am a man.

[BeatleBoot]

27. He supported Bush...

When he denounced Gore in Florida.

So if he's supporting Clark, then that means he's done a 180

[rhite5]

47. No, MM did not denounce Gore in Florida

See my post #45 He did just the opposite in Florida in the final days before the election.

[maha]

36. Clark is more liberal than Dean,

so it's not surprising Moore would support Clark.

[TLM]

43. More liberal my ass... I don't remember Dean bombing any TV stations...

Extra! July/August 1999 Legitimate Targets? How U.S. Media Supported War Crimes in Yugoslavia - By Jim Naureckas
NATO justified the bombing of the Belgrade TV station, saying it was a legitimate military target. "We've struck at his TV stations and transmitters because they're as much a part of his military machine prolonging and promoting this conflict as his army and security forces," U.S. General Wesley Clark explained--"his," of course, referring to Yugoslavian President Slobodan Milosevic. It wasn't Milosevic, however, who was killed when the Belgrade studios were bombed on April 23, but rather 20 journalists, technicians and other civilians.



And refresh my memory... when was Dean working as a lobbyist for Henry Kissinger?

[IranianDemocrat]

38. Clark is such a republican....

He's pro choice, pro aff action, anti bush tax cut, anti iraq war, pro UN, anti-PNAC(even spoke out SPECIFICALLY against PNAC), pro environment, even said he's a democrat...

Hell, what a republican...

[TLM]

46. The only thing democratic about Clark is his script....

"He's pro choice, pro aff action, anti bush tax cut,"

He says he is, and since he has no record of policy and has never held office, all we have to go on is what he says.

However when his audience is republican, he says something completly different.



"anti iraq war,"

No he isn't. He's been riding the fence, and admitted it.


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030922-105420-9821r.htm

Since entering the race, Mr. Clark has made a series of gaffes.
He waffled last week over whether he would have voted for the resolution to launch war against Iraq. Eventually, he settled on saying, "I don't know whether I would have or not. I've said it both ways."


(CNN 1/21/03) "I probably wouldn't have made the moves that got us to this point. But just assuming that we're here at this point, then I think that the president is going to have to move ahead, despite the fact that the allies have reservations." As he later elaborated

(CNN, 2/5/03): "The credibility of the United States is on the line, and Saddam Hussein has these weapons and so, you know, we're going to go ahead and do this and the rest of the world's got to get with us.... The U.N. has got to come in and belly up to the bar on this. But the president of the United States has put his credibility on the line, too. And so this is the time that these nations around the world, and the United Nations, are going to have to look at this evidence and decide who they line up with."



"pro UN, anti-PNAC(even spoke out SPECIFICALLY against PNAC),"

He also spoke out specifically in favor of the folks from PNAC saying they were his friends and he would like to work with them again.

So which speaking out do we beleive?


" pro environment, even said he's a democrat..."

But saying is all he's ever done... and what he said changed depending on who his audience was. And it seems as though I'm not the first one to notice.

"I find him to be a guy who's very clever at determining which way the wind's blowing," said Gen. Paul Funk, who was General Clark's boss in the early 1990's. "Who knows, maybe in the political world that's a good thing."

***

"The general said Clark "needs to win, right down to the core of his fiber," which tends to make him "highly manipulative."

"There are an awful lot of people," added another retired four-star, who also requested anonymity, "who believe Wes will tell anybody what they want to hear and tell somebody the exact opposite five minutes later. The people who have worked closely with him are the least complimentary, because he can be very abrasive, very domineering."

[newyawker99]

50. Hi vincentwithak!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Donna Zen]

8. MM

is paying attention.

[DrWeird]

9. some people at DU just don't like Moore

because they're just anti-semitic. They should be ashamed.

[KittyWampus]

13. Moore Is Jewish?

Or are you making a funny?

[DrWeird]

15. He's Michael Moore isn't he?

Moors are muslim, muslims come from arabia, arabic people are semitic, therefore:

If you don't like Michael Moore your anti-semitic. Just like if you don't like Joe Leiberman.

[charlie]

17. Hee

:thumbsup:

[JasonBerry]

19. OKAY....

You didn't select "DrWeird" for nothing, huh?
:)

[JasonBerry]

18. Don't get it....

Don't like Michael Moore and you're anti-semitic? Are you saying that because Moore seems to be boosting Clark and Clark's father was a jew? That really didn't make any sense. I'm lost.

[DrWeird]

23. OK, here's how it goes.

I like Michael Moore, and I'm a holier-than-thou psychotic little shit. Therefore, if you don't like Michael Moore, than the reason you don't like him, regardless of any actual valid reasons, is because you're an anti-semite.

[KittyWampus]

24. Dr. Weird Was Just Being Weird

Ala Monty Python "How do you know she's a witch" logic.

[KC21304]

26. Jews are not the only Semite people. n/t

[JasonBerry]

28. Yes, I see...my post #19 shows up BEFORE #18

I get it ...

[maha]

37. I thought he was Catholic.

[charlie]

41. He is

DW is lampooning someone here who divebombs into every Lieberman thread and calls everybody anti-Semitic.

[HardWiredDemocrat]

20. Nader-ites

A repentant Nader-ite is better than a zealous one trying to get him to do it to us again.

[Bread and Circus]

22. Actually, I think it was just a great Town Hall session...

and bound to make a lot of converts if they
were to watch.

I think that's why Moore did it. Maybe Moore
is being swayed to support Clark.

[Dr Fate]

29. I am glad Moore supports the removal of Bush

...he is a bestselling author and movie director- we need him on our side.

[pansypoo53219]

30. uh oh

last time he was a big Nadar pusher. where is this gonna go?

[fujiyama]

31. He's probably unrepentant...

for his Nader vote and for those of us that saw how foolish it was voting for Nader, it's frustrating to hear anyone trying to defend their vote.

Some of us realized that Bush would be worse than anything we'd seen before for it was all indicated by his record in Texas and the previous actions of congressional republicans. I'm sorry, but saying "we didn't expect it to be this bad" doesn't cut it.

That said, I'm glad Moore realizes that now is not the time to play games and this election is more than building a third party, for the future of this nation is at stake. For any chance of beating Bush, I'd say the best thing to do is let those that despise Bush join the campaign to get rid of him. I'm willing to ignore who they supported in '00, regardless of whether it was Nader or Bush.

I hope people understand that thi race will not be abour pandering. I hope most Greens realize that not voting for the democratic party out of spite will get this nation no where. The issues they cherish may not be pervectly embodied by democrats, but that is irrelevent in the current system for a second term will make any progress near impossible. Likewise, I hope dems will not simply dismiss all greens as fanatics or fools, or feel so bitter for their Nader vote, that they'd stop working with them. Spite is foolish.

Let's take a look at the right wing -- there are many factions, the isolationist, the PNAC crowd, the religious right , and the wealthy corporate/libertarian crowd (the latter two kind of overlapping all of these groups I'd say). Somehow, they've been able to stick together for the most part. Bush has given each group enough to keep them happy. For example the free trade libertarian crowd has been very upset with the president over his stel tarrifs, and farm subsidies package, but when the time comes I'm sure they'll back him. Same goes with the RR. Obviously they would have preferred Bush to have more activelly backed that judge in Al. over the 10 commandments issue, but they won't sit at home, because he didn't. They also probably dispise the fact that this administration favors free trade with China, even though their treatment of Christians is poor, and they force abortions.

No nominee will have a "pure" liberal record. Russ Fiengold comes close, but he voted for Ashcroft and with that we can see he wasn't perfect. Even Wellstone voted for the patriot act. You get my point. No one's perfect...but we can and should do a better job of sticking by our candidates.

[jiacinto]

32. I can't respect for Moore for it

And don't take anything he says seriously.

[dobak]

33. Read Moore's new book

He devotes an entire chapter to Wesley Clark

[TLM]

49. Hey funny book... but have you seen the 2001 version?

"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there."


"We were really helped when President Ronald Reagan came in. I remember non-commissioned officers who were going to retire and they re-enlisted because they believed in President Reagan."

"That's the kind of President Ronald Reagan was. He helped our country win the Cold War. He put it behind us in a way no one ever believed would be possible. He was truly a great American leader. And those of us in the Armed Forces loved him, respected him, and tremendously admired him for his great leadership."

"President George Bush had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship."

[FDRrocks]

34. Mike loves Nader!

He is the incarnate of Satan. A powerful man who supported Bush in 2000 under the guise of the Green Party!

He should go to hell immediately. Him and Ralph! They are both republicans. What a bunch of turncoats.

Ralph stole the election for Republicans in 2000! There was no voting irregularities in other states and our system is fine now!

(A seatbelt has saved my life.)

[dobak]

39. how do you really feel

Moore has admitted that supporting Nader was not the best thing to do.

I think he has realized the error and is trying to make up for it

[FDRrocks]

42. Well.

First off, I admire Moores work, but I don't take his support as anything huge.

I don't feel it was any mistake for Moore to support Nader in 2k. I know he was disturbed by Nader campaigning in swing states. After 8 years of a Democratic, media labeled 'liberal' rule, how could anyone who watched 2 seconds of the lies GWB spewed in the debates think the turnout could be this? I don't think Ralph lost the election, I've read here that there was irregularities in other states in 2000. I think the right wing would've called them out if needed. Beyond that votes did not matter, the Supreme Court selected the man.

I am a Green (grew up mostly during Clinton) and have re-registered to vote for Dennis in the primaries, and just about any single Democrat in the general election. I am still skeptical about your candidate.

I think Clinton moved to the center enough during his reign that the distinction b/t the economic policies of the two parties was hard to tell (I think Nader was strong on his opinions).

Anywho, I was glad a man like Nader exists when I got half my car up on an embankment, hit a telephone pole, rolled twice, and was able to walk away. I also think that if the Democrats would champion a majority of the issues the Green party base supports, they would have no reason to exist. Well, they would exist, being as they are a global party, but they would be as well off as say... the Communist party.

[LibertyorDeath]

40. That because Clark's got the best chance of defeating the Idiot King in 04

All those people against defeating the Idiot King in 04 line up here
to vote republican....

I could give a shit a this point who the Dem's run if they can read & write & speak extemporaneously then thats our man or woman but for the
love of god once there is a clear front runner it would be in our
own best interest if you hate these corporate criminal fucks the way
I do to stop all the infighting & get behind the Candidate.

The alternative is 4 more years of the Idiot King & his Medieval Administration.

[Rowdyboy]

51. I love to see "progressives" squirm

when Moore's support of Clark comes up. Michael Moore is a good guy. He, like all of us, has made a few bad decisions in the past. Now he's trying to rectify them.

What's the problem? Only a few weeks ago Moore was universally adored here for "Bowling For Columbine". No he's dogshit because he thinks Wes Clark can whip Bush*'s ass. Whats up with that?

[charlie]

52. How's that?

I've seen few progressives here excoriate Moore for encouraging Clark to run. Certainly haven't seen anyone likening him to dogshit.

[DiverDave]

53. Clark just dont

Pass the smell test with me.
Flame away! Wait!! let me put on the Nomex.
Matter of fact I haven't decided who to support yet, but johnny come lately gets my spidey senses tingling.

[Rowdyboy]

54. I've seen several people

who seem amazed that Moore could be so "disloyal" as to say kind things about anyone connected to the military. And I have read denunciations of Moore for merely considering Clark. That is proof positive that I spend way too much time on this board engaging in mental masturbation. I need to get a life.