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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:01 PM
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Rove Blew it - Again.
Why was this not done as an official address to Congress? :shrug: Everything he asked for has to be done by Congress. They would have been on camera and forced to clap - or not.:evilgrin: This means did he really really really mean the speech, if he wasn't going to put republicans on the spot to support it. Just like his Social Security fiasco.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:14 PM
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1. It was a very poor presentation.
The goal was to have a Reagan-type speech. He was supposed to appeal to images that have been planted in the viewing public's brain from years of viewing television. Reagan played the cowboy image that most people at that time were familiar with from countless meaningless John Wayne movies.

Bush needed to appeal to a few simple emotions. Like him or not, most could agree that his "bullhorn speech" connected with a large portion of the public after 9-11. This one fell flat. It had far too much information -- exactly as you note, it would have been better suited for congress. As it is, it exposed him as incapable of leading the country out of the mess he has helped create.
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:18 PM
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2. How can you incite emotions, without using emotions. He was
not monotone, but dull.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:20 PM
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5. And always smiles at inappropriate moments (eom)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:20 PM
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7. "dull"
You are being kinder than I am able to be. I thought that there was a smirk pulling at his clown face several times. I think he knows he is lying through his teeth, and is a tad bit giddy thinking he is fooling people.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:19 PM
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3. Did they have him drugged up again for this one?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:26 PM
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18. They would need
to drug the public to convince them it was a serious speech.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:20 PM
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6. Was stunned that the imagery
was completely at odds with the message. Finally everyone has a reason that Bush is not Commander in Chief. He is the classical photo op president without substance. Reagan had Michael Deaver and Bush is relying on who? Not that I particularly care, but the Bush White House has gone to hell in a handbasket when previously they were a tightly controlled secret cabal. Now the professional disarray is out there for everyone to see!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:22 PM
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11. I agree.
The finely-tuned engine isn't running so well right now.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:31 PM
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23. Even Brian Williams, NBC commentator, said the background was
a beauty spot and not really representative of how the speech should have been backgrounded.

Brian Williams was clearly on a rubble-filled, unlit street.

Just more manipulation by the Gang of Thieves...

He got out of town, back to the safety of lil' ol' Washington, on U. S. 1 - pretty damn fast. If there had been any residents left, they might have run him out of town on a rail -- if there really IS a rail!
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:44 PM
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28. It's weird to give a speech and talk about "Armies of Compassion"
and there are - gasp - no people anywhere in sight!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:21 PM
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:24 PM
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14. I was honest.
I noted his bullhorn speech won wide approval. This was hardly that type of moment. Perhaps you disagree.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:41 PM
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:42 PM
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26. Did you?
Huh?
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:36 PM
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24. Nope... His Speech WAS that Bad
Way off the mark!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:42 PM
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:46 PM
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29. You are pretty focused
on that, aren't you? Why?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:47 PM
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30. What's your point, 'Lee?' You were on Kerry on that SUV thread.
Now you are here pointing out the obvious, that on this Dem board, the worst president in U.S. history is largely disapproved of. What are you trying to prove, eh? :shrug:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:23 PM
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13. I just read that
Maureen Dowd told bush to "quit haunting New Orleans, looking for your bullhorn moment..it's too late."
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:19 PM
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4. kidney stones have migrated to the photo-op center of his brain
Please KKKarl, eat more meat.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:20 PM
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8. This has Karen Hughes stamped all over it.
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 09:21 PM by Cleita
I don't think Rove would have pulled out all the stops that this one did.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:23 PM
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12. Interesting viewpoint. Can you explain a bit more?
What stops? Where did Bush go that you thought went outside his usual vein? You have me thinking.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:27 PM
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19. I have a co-worker who thinks that Hughes is actually the evil genius
behind shrub, not Rove.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:22 PM
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10. It's NOT Policy, it's Politics
this is just for the rubes. This will not fly in congress.

Seriously, he was just looking for a little hug, since he just discovered people hate him

He didn't mean it. It was a bunch of crazy promises which will not go anywhere, but he will get his bounce.


:puke:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:24 PM
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15. He knew Congress wouldn't want him to put them

on the spot.

Can you imagine him giving that speech in front of Sheila Jackson Lee or Maxine!
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:27 PM
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20. LOL! So he wimped out even though he just turned republicans
into liberals in front of the entire nation. Now he has congress critters he can call out (if he is so inclined) before 2006 if this doesn't get done. You can't make this stuff up...
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:25 PM
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16. He went all the way down there for this?
I don't think it worked. The desolate scene and background were depressing and not uplifting.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:31 PM
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22. The people of Mississippi and Alabama can't be too happy either.
He mentioned yes, but he was standing in an EMPTY city. Somebody had a real wire loose to send him down there to make THAT speech.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:25 PM
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17. Those kidney stones must be really bugging him. nt
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:31 PM
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21. Yep, it's gotta be the stones.
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