a Constitutional question

[donsu]

does the Constitution tell us what to do when a criminal gang does a coup d'etat and takes over the Congress, W.H., S.C., Justice, Military, and Election system?

[SteppingRazor]

1. No, the Declaration of Independence does. n/t

[donsu]

2. saying what?

nt

[SteppingRazor]

3. Saying this:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. "

[donsu]

7. so why aren't we doing this?

nt

[SteppingRazor]

9. Why aren't we overthrowing the government?

Hmmm... tell you what. You first. :evilgrin:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

5. Uhm, try the first two paragraphs

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

[texpatriot2004]

4. yeah, what? n/t

[fooj]

6. Here it is...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

[ToolTex]

10. I believe this is currently our only recourse.

As time passes more and more will come to believe it. As it happens, this communicating medium, first this forum will be used to find us. We, the ones they label as dangerous. Later, the forum will be disallowed and it's organizers arrested. I used to think the web would be turned off, but now I believe they will keep it for commercial use. They will probably institute something like M$ Palladium for identification and control filtering.

[ToolTex]

13. So before this communicating tool, the web, is taken from us

we need to find and secure a way to communicated and organize that the fascists can not stop.

[SteppingRazor]

8. Right. As Vash, Fooj and I have been helpful enough to point out...

The answer is simple. The Founding Fathers would want you to overthrow the government. Now get it done! :evilgrin:

[donsu]

11. what are the ways of over throwing a govt.?

violence yes, but surely there are other ways that get around rigged voting.

or is violence the only way?

[SteppingRazor]

12. If everything is as you've said...

that is, if a criminal gang controls both the seat of power and the electoral process -- then, yes, the only way to remove them is forcibly through popular revolt.

[ToolTex]

14. Sorry, Dr. Franklin, we failed to keep it!

n/t