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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 12:47 PM
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National Review In A Snit Over Bush's Latest New Orleans Speech
In a piece entitled "How Did Bush Do?" on National Review Online today, T.J. Walker let's loose with the following:

"Appeal to conservatives. Zero. Bush ignored the concepts of individual accountability and responsibility in his speech. In the Bush world, his new moral relativism makes no distinctions between those who bought flood insurance and those who didn't; those who choose to live in safe mountains high above sea level and those who build below sea level in flood zones predicted by every expert to be washed away. Bush's message was redistributionist, collectivist, and nannist. Individuals bear no responsibility for their misfortunes or for their own recovery. Any conservative with third grade math skills or beyond could smell trillions of dollars of budget deficit flowing out of Bush's mouth."

Of course, one could point out to Mr. Walker that when the trillions of dollars in new debt were flowing from the mouth of The Napster and into the pockets of corporations such as Halliburton and whatever entities Poppy Bush and the boys at Carlyle had invested in lately, we never heard a peep from so-called conservatives about things redistributionist, collectivist, or even nannist. Which fits neatly into my long-standing suspicion that it was never about the spending or the borrowing, only who it was that was receiving the loot. George W. Bush never met a dime he wouldn't spend in a heartbeat, so why are "conservatives" only starting to bitch now?

George W.'s facile little attempt at triangulation here might alienate the right, but does anyone really believe he is going to win any points with liberals? That would be my question for the day.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/walker200509160841.asp
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 12:51 PM
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1. Win points with liberals? How? By lying and saying the work was going
to be contracted out to locals when the truth is the exact opposite? By piling tax breaks and credits on religious institutions by letting the take credit for donated money and gifts? (That's fraud it seems to me.)

If that baboon made any points with anyone I'd really like to see who it was. And if they have a brainwave pattern.
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 12:51 PM
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2. "going to win any points with liberals?"
Nope. Only republicans believe Bush. Democrats acting like they believe bush is a good ploy though. It should send freeps over the edge. They hate liberals as much as they do the thought of giving to the poor.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 12:52 PM
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3. They know him for what he is
It's rather amusing, in a sick way....little Porgie is just too clever by half, and no one is buying it, not even his buddies.

He will never get those fake numbers up again, because people are paying attention--seeing death and destruction of your fellow citizens has a way of doing that to one. So all that is left for Porgie is to shovel cash to his interests, as fast as he can, before his time runs out.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 12:54 PM
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4. "We are all Keynesians, now." - Richard Nixon
"Because, that's where the money is" - Willie Sutton
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 12:55 PM
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5. 'true conservatives" and 'true liberals' will hate this approach equally
Edited on Fri Sep-16-05 12:56 PM by wtmusic
because there is nothing particularly conservative OR liberal about it--he spends tons of deficit money and it all goes to big business.

tanking...
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 05:51 PM
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10. As Shrub's approval numbers fall ...
... more and more of the doctinaire right are discovering that perhaps the Little President isn't really a true conservative after all.

This has got to be one of the things that truly frightens Rove and the rest of Bush's political handlers. If it becomes a widely accepted fact that Bush will never again be a popular president, and that the terrible consequences of his administration are a result of White House incompetence, his conservative base will flee.

After all, if there is one thing that truly distinguishes the American "conservative" movement, it is an inability to accept blame for its failures.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 11:58 PM
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12. The RICH conservative base will hold on tight
'cause they're saving too damn much money in taxes. The middle/lower income conservatives who are sending their kids to Iraq and whose payroll taxes foot the bill for this incompetent administration could actually come around.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 12:59 PM
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6. ha ha ha hahahahaha ha hah ah aha a
gosh what kind of speech DID you want?

Let me give it a stab:

You poor poooor fuckers. The concepts of individual accountability and responsibility is lost on you ignernt welfare parasites's. In "my" world, if you bought flood insurance then good fer you! and those of you who didn't, just suck it up, it's all your fault you're losers anyway. Those who choose to live in safe mountains high above sea level, like those in Idaho, are the ones who deserve federal assistance! And those who build below sea level in flood zones predicted by every expert to be washed away deserve to bear the responsibility for their misfortunes and for their own recovery.


Is there ANY speech anyone could have given that would have made that jerkazoid happy? I'll bet there's one that would have been liberally sprinkled with phrases such as "final solution", and "labor and re-education camps" and "gays, olive skinned furriners, jews, catholics and all other non-aryans", etc.

Yee haw. Republicans and neocons never ever fail to disappoint us.



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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 01:48 PM
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7. these laissez-faire right wingers don't understand power
Their "ideal" society of a wealthy elite governing over impoverished, disenfranchised, ignorant masses will only work with a government of dictatorial force.

It took Pinochet to implement the Chicago School's economic "free enterprise" policies.

Their so-called "economic freedom" requires extinguishing political liberty.

BTW, the coming economic bankruptcy of the US will be a good excuse to restrict moving currency abroad, giving us what are in effect emigration restrictions. Sounds paranoid, but reality is becoming a paranoid fantasy these days.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 01:56 PM
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8. That's pretty humorous
Walker apparently still thinks that what Stupidhead says has any bearing at all on what he does. I'll bet he claps real hard while reading Peter Pan, too.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 01:56 PM
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9. "Bush's message was redistributionist, collectivist, and nannist."
This is about what I expect over there at Doughy Pantload Central.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 06:09 PM
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11. T.J. Walker is no conservative.
He's a left-of-center media trainer who used to get work as a pundit during the Clinton years. The freepers went after him then, painting him as someone who peddled illegal porn in an effort to harm him. He fought them off. He's based in NYC, and is a pretty good trainer for anyone needing some media presence.
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