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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 04:58 PM
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Why aren't the media asking over and over: "HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY?"
How can you jump into an unbudgeted $300 billion war and an unbudgeted $200 billion natural disaster and NOT RAISE FUCKING TAXES??

I swear to Christ, these people don't even know how to add.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 05:00 PM
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1. "Cut unnecessary spending"
You mean they haven't done that already? That with the debt and all, there's still unnecessary spending????
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 05:01 PM
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2. According to Delay "No pork here!"
nothing left to trim. Just Leeaaan bacon here.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 05:02 PM
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3. Press Briefing today
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050916-6.html

Q Al, where's the money coming from for this?

DIRECTOR HUBBARD: Where's the money coming from? It's coming from the American taxpayer.

Q Right, but you're already spending more than you take in, so how much more is there to --

DIRECTOR HUBBARD: Well, if you want to know the --

Q Are we going to have to borrow it, or are you going to raise taxes? I mean, if it's coming from the taxpayer that suggests maybe you're going to have to raise taxes.

DIRECTOR HUBBARD: The most important thing that we need to do is make sure that this economy remains very, very strong. A strong economy is what will provide the resources for the rebuilding for the disaster as a result of the Katrina storm. We're fortunate that the economy is very, very strong now; it will continue to be strong. But the last thing in the world we need to do is raise taxes and retard economic growth.

Q So where does the money come from? Obviously, you've got to borrow it or offsets in the budget, what?

DIRECTOR HUBBARD: Well, again, the money is going to come from the federal government, it's going to come from the federal taxpayer. This President is committed to, as you know, cutting the deficit in half. This in no way will adversely impact his commitment to cut the deficit in half by 2009. At the same time, unfortunately, because of the biggest national disaster I think we've ever faced, we're going to have to spend significant amounts of money on a one-time basis. And that's what's important: it's one time, it's not recurring. But the President is committed, and I know the American people are committed to doing everything that's necessary, but no more than is necessary, and doing it in a very prudent way.

Q -- significant amount? How much?

DIRECTOR HUBBARD: Pardon me?

Q How much? Do you have a ballpark figure for how much this is all going to cost the American taxpayer?

MR. McCLELLAN: Are you talking about the overall costs?

Q Yes.

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, one, I think -- and we talked about it the last couple of days, in terms of the longer-term recovery and reconstruction efforts, and the President made very clear last night that we're going to do what it takes to meet the needs of the people who have been affected by this and to meet the needs of the region. But as we do, we need to work with state and local officials to make sure it's done in a well thought out, well planned way. And that's why he emphasized we're going to make sure that the money is spent wisely and it's going to what it's supposed to go for.

But in terms of the longer-term reconstruction needs, I think that we're still assessing what those needs are. It's not clear exactly what those longer-term needs are going to be. And so it would be speculating at this point and we're not going to get into speculating about it.

Q Is the $200 billion figure --

MR. McCLELLAN: I mean, it's speculating about it, and we're not going to get into speculating about it. What we are going to do is make sure that the needs of the people are met.

Q So there were no internal initial investments for how much this will cost? None?

MR. McCLELLAN: For the longer-term? I think that's something that's still being assessed --

DIRECTOR HUBBARD: Right. I mean, you know, you've got --

MR. McCLELLAN: -- as our OMB Director has said over the last couple weeks, too.

Q Allan, can I just clear this up? So the money will be borrowed, so it will add to the deficit, right?

DIRECTOR HUBBARD: Well, there's no question that this -- the recovery will be paid for by the federal taxpayer and it will add to the deficit. That's right.

Q Do you have scores for these --

MR. McCLELLAN: But as he emphasized, it's a one-time cost here that you're talking about.

DIRECTOR HUBBARD: Right.

Q Do you have scores for the initiative you announced last night?

DIRECTOR HUBBARD: Yes, we do.

Q Can we --

DIRECTOR HUBBARD: Sure. For the incentives, the faster write-offs, et cetera -- again, these are approximate costs -- and, by the way, I hope that we're understating them, because if business responds even more quickly than we anticipate, it will cost a little more. But we're talking about around $2 billion for those initiatives.

Q Over what period?

Q Is that --

DIRECTOR HUBBARD: Yes, that's that for the Gulf opportunity zone.

MR. ALLEN: And about $2 billion for the education initiative, that's the focus of that one. The Homesteading Act, we are analyzing that, because this is housing stock that already exists in HUD and other agencies, we don't have a number that I can give you on that definitively at this point.

Q Claude, what is the percentage of housing stock in the New Orleans area?

MR. ALLEN: We found of about 4,000 units that are available throughout the region, about a thousand of them -- just HUD stock -- are in the New Orleans area alone. There are other -- we've done an inventory of vacant buildings, vacant lots, vacant facilities, and that does not include the additional vacancies that exist.

Q Who is going to measure sweat equity?

MR. ALLEN: Well, that is something we work with the state and local government about. Certainly, in partnership with organizations, as the President mentioned last night, like Habitat for Humanity, they have standards that they use to work with individuals who are trying to get home ownership. We will work with organizations, hope to partner additionally with organizations like that, that are willing to go in and help provide the assistance.

We're also looking to work with nonprofit organizations other than Habitat that currently help provide, whether there's low income mortgages and other assistance. So it will be a public/private partnership that we're seeking to work in this area.

Q Claude, do you -- can you name any specific programs that will be cut or eliminated already in order to make room without adding too much to the deficit in order to pay for Katrina relief?


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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 05:14 PM
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9. Where in the hell is that 2009 figure from?
Cut what deficit? 2004's? 2005's?

Surely he doesn't mean cutting the entire NATIONAL DEBT in half. I mean, I know these guys hate science and all...but that's fucking mathematically impossible at this rate.

What discernable effort has this administration made to cut deficits? Anything? Anyone know?
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 05:37 PM
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13. AP: Sept 9, 2005 - Analysis sees deficits growing under Bush
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/12606196.htm

WASHINGTON - Even before the cost of Hurricane Katrina is added to the federal ledger, a Congressional Budget Office study commissioned by Democrats predicts President Bush will fail to keep his promise to cut the deficit in half by the time he leaves office.


<snip>

The study predicts that the $331 billion budget deficit projected for the current budget year would rise to $370 billion by 2009, the year Bush has promised to cut the deficit to at least $260 billion. Bush promised to cut the deficit in half from a projection in February 2004 of a $521 billion deficit for 2009.

By 2015, the deficit would hit $640 billion under CBO's study.

"Under CBO's new analysis of the Bush Administration's policies, every vital sign of the budget grows decidedly worse over the next ten years," said Spratt. "These new deficit figures show that the budget has deteriorated dramatically on this administration's watch."

In response, the White House asked for congressional action instead of rhetoric.

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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 05:02 PM
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4. You know...Medicare, Medicaid,Educational Funding, First-Responders
UNNECESSARY spending!!
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 05:03 PM
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5. Or how come in order to pay for it we are going to cut more
services that usually benefit the poor and not cancel the tax relief for the very rich? Has not Bush just discovered, according to his speech yesterday, the horror of poverty?
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 05:04 PM
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6. Because they already know how - Greenspan's printing press.
More money for everyone.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 05:07 PM
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7. Ah, the poor of America will pay to build luxury housing in NOLA.
And let's not forget all those franchise one is exactly like another stores squeezing out the famous mom and pop stores of New Orleans. George wants to attract business from all over. COME AND GET IT, BOYS!
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 05:08 PM
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8. Exactly....
Iraq, Katrina, Ophelia, etc. + tax cuts? Fuzzy math - it doesn't add up.
Our deficits are going to be frightful!!! Excuse me, even more frightful!!!

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 05:15 PM
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10. well, if the Dems let him get away with it then they definitely
do not deserve our votes. Here is a very bright line that they do need to draw and stick to.
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 05:35 PM
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12. You are probably getting better coverage in Canada.
I was up there at the beginning of the year, your coverage of U.S. events far exceeds even the best of what American news offers.

It's sad.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 06:08 PM
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15. Hi david789!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 06:39 PM
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16. My uninformed opinion
Since we don't really have an accurate price tag for the damage in the Gulf Coast yet, it's hard to assess the appropriateness of Bush's promise of $200 billion (or whatever it is). It's probably in the right ballpark though. The real qualms are these:

1. That this is an empty promise which won't be followed through on.
2. That much of the aid will be squandered in the same fashion that spending in Iraq is. (Lost to corruption, profits for friends of the White House, etc.)
3. That the promise is an unfunded mandate. The dumbass is running a $400 billion budget defecit, wants to spend tens of billions more, but is unwilling to raise taxes. Where's the money coming from?

Welcome to DU. :hi:
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 06:06 PM
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14. They are! They also need to start driving Bush's Levee cuts.
What he wisely invested that money in and the return on that investment vs the cost of rebuilding NOLA because of that investment. The Iraq WMD's should be center stage with all spotlights on it.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 06:41 PM
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17. They have already said they are going to borrow it,
with no raise in taxes and the tax cuts are still in the works.

China SOOOO owns us!!!
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