George, stop lying about what you knew before Katrina hit --->>>

[Stephanie]

Hey George - There is video of you being briefed on the severity of the approaching storm on Sunday August 28. Your own WH released the photo. I have seen video excerpts of this Sunday briefing on CNN hosted by Paula Zahn tonight, and last night on Ted Koppel hosted Primetime.

The video must have been released to the press by the WH. I want to see the ENTIRE FOOTAGE. I want to know EXACTLY WHAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW AND WHEN HE KNEW IT.


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Sun Aug-28-05

U.S. President George W. Bush is handed a map by Deputy Chief of Staff Joe Hagin (R) during a video teleconference with federal and state emergency management organizations on hurricane Katrina from his Crawford, Texas ranch on August 28, 2005. Bush on Monday approved major disaster declarations for the states of Louisiana and Mississippi, clearing the way for the use of federal money to help respond to Hurricane Katrina, the White House said. (Paul Morse/The White House/Reuters)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050829/photos_ts/mdf47252
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AP - Fri Sep 16, 2:52 PM ET

Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center, checks on the progress of Hurricane Ophelia on a monitor Thursday, Sept. 15, 2005, in Miami. The National Weather Service and the National Hurricane Center forecast the path of Hurricane Katrina and the potential for devastation with remarkable accuracy calling into question claims by President Bush and others in his administration that Katrina was a catastrophe that no one envisioned. (AP Photo/Alan Diaz)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050916/480/flad10309161850
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For example, Bush told ABC on Sep. 1 that “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees.” In its storm warnings, the hurricane center never used the word “breached.” But a day before Katrina came ashore Aug. 29, the agency warned in capital letters: “SOME LEVEES IN THE GREATER NEW ORLEANS AREA COULD BE OVERTOPPED.”

National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield also gave daily pre-storm videoconference briefings to federal officials in Washington, warning them of a nightmare scenario of New Orleans’ levees not holding, winds smashing windows in high-rise buildings and flooding wiping out large swaths of the Gulf Coast.

A photo on the White House Web site shows Bush in Crawford, Texas, watching Mayfield give a briefing on Aug. 28, a day before Katrina smashed ashore with 145-mph winds.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9369041/

[oasis]

1. Typical Bush response after briefing:"Yup, I'll get my best people on it"

:dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: "You rang, Mr. President?"

[Stephanie]

20. Meanwhile, let me eat cake!

[Hissyspit]

2. Apparently, I, others at DU, and anyone watching CNN knew about the levee

breach before the President of the United States* did.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

3. "a catastrophe that no one envisioned"

was the Bush administration RESPONSE to the storm. The naturally caused catastrophe was followed by the human-caused catastrophe.

You know, books will be written and this will always be a part of the Bush legacy, no matter how they huff and puff and try to spin it away.

[stevedeshazer]

4. So in the first photo, is the guy on the TeeVee screen Max Mayfield?

It looks like him...just clarifying. :)

[Stephanie]

7. I'm trying to verify that. I think it is.

I remember on Sunday afternoon we were all freaked out because the storm had been upgraded to Category FIVE! And the weather report was like nothing you ever saw - no buildings will remain, no living creatures will survive.

I think I recall that it is Mayfield in the video conference, but not 100% positive.

[stevedeshazer]

21. I think you're right

We were doing the same that weekend, watching the horrifying weather reports. I'll never forget those as long as I live.

It sure looks like Mayfield is the same guy in the pic.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. he is not lying. He was not paying attention.

I seem to recall a memo about some bad people wanting to bad things against us, maybe even on our soil! Yes, I know, I know. that Goat book was riveting and for all we know, he never got to the surprise ending at page 26, but he was really into it for the first 7 pages.

Also recall that the WH staff had to concoct a DVD of a collection of stuff JUST TO GET HIS BRAIN IN RESPONSE MODE. This man is not residing in, leasing space, or even visiting our universe. More and more, I am convinced that he is mentally ill.

[Stephanie]

9. & they were afraid to tell him that his VACATION was ending two days early

as per Newsweek - not that hundreds were killed, a city destroyed - no. bad news is his vacation is ending early.

[jackstraw45]

6. Bush*:"Somebody help me, I can't stop lying!"

"Somebody help me, I can't stop lying!"

[rzemanfl]

8. And I can't button this damn blue shirt. n/t

[wakeme2008]

10. IMHO,, the first photo is NOT from Kartrina

If you blow the weatherman and map up what I see is two land masses below and to the right that look like the Bahamas and a land mass that looks like Florida. IF this was Kartrina it was before it hit FLORIDA,,, but not as it got near NOLA.

[Stephanie]

12. No, it's from Katrina. There is video of it.

On that day they released only a still photo. A little earlier in the day they released a ten minute pre-taped statement filmed in the Crawford compound about Iraq, with a few words about Katrina.

After the photo above, Sunday afternoon, Bush retired. The next morning he flew to Arizona, where the first thing he did on getting off the plane was give John McCain a cake.

[RepublicanElephant]

11. don't worry...

...dubya says he wants answers... he intends to get to the bottom of this screw-up!

:eyes:

[Stephanie]

13. he's going to lead the investigation himself

and leave no stone unturned!

[gulfcoastliberal]

14. He was still on his bender. He forgot there was a hurricane when he

woke up the next day and had to be reminded by DVD footage of the hurricane the next week.

[hilary155]

15. hey

Hey,

I see a lot of people on the "left" (if that is what you call it) getting off on GWBush F*&k-ups. I see people chasing down and making a big deal of really inane things. There is a TON of REAL stuff going on that affects our nation a great deal more than all the little sound byte screw ups. Focus on what matter or shut the F^&k up.

America is falling to tyranny. And you people think catching Bush-ism is some type of game.

[Name removed]

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[Bluebear]

17. This is not "catching Bush-ism", this is gross dereliction of duty.

[Name removed]

18. Deleted message

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[Stephanie]

22. read this >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4490806

DoYouEverWonder

Sun Aug-28-05 10:49 PM
Original message

OMG, I've never read a Hurricane Advisory like this one

WWUS74 KLIX 282139
NPWLIX

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...EXTREMELY DANGEROUS HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE
MISSISSIPPI RIVER DELTA...
...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.

AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.

AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WATCH IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR
HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE
POSSIBLE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 TO 36 HOURS.

LAZ038-040-050-056>070-MSZ080>082-290300-
ASSUMPTION-HANCOCK-HARRISON-JACKSON-LIVINGSTON-LOWER JEFFERSON-
LOWER LAFOURCHE-LOWER PLAQUEMINES-LOWER ST. BERNARD-LOWER TERREBONNE-
ORLEANS-ST. CHARLES-ST. JAMES-ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST-ST. TAMMANY-
TANGIPAHOA-UPPER JEFFERSON-UPPER LAFOURCHE-UPPER PLAQUEMINES-
UPPER ST. BERNARD-UPPER TERREBONNE-
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS IN EFFECT...

HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE AREA. TROPICAL STORM
FORCE WINDS ARE CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THE COASTAL MARSHES AND WILL
PERSIST FOR THE NEXT 26 TO 28 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS WILL
ONSET AROUND MIDNIGHT NEAR THE COAST AND BY 3 AM CLOSER TO THE NEW
ORLEANS METRO AREA AND PERSIST FOR 9 TO 15 HOURS. MAXIMUM WIND GUSTS
AROUND 175 MPH ARE LIKELY IN THE WARNED AREA BY DAYBREAK MONDAY.

DO NOT VENTURE OUTDOORS ONCE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ONSET!

$$

LAZ034>037-039-046>049-MSZ068>071-077-290300-
AMITE-ASCENSION-EAST BATON ROUGE-EAST FELICIANA-IBERVILLE-
PEARL RIVER-PIKE-POINTE COUPEE-ST. HELENA-WALTHALL-WASHINGTON-
WEST BATON ROUGE-WEST FELICIANA-WILKINSON-
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS IN EFFECT...

HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE AREA. TROPICAL STORM
FORCE WINDS ARE CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THE COASTAL MARSHES AND WILL
SREAD NORTHWESTWARD INTO THE GREATER BATON ROUGE AREA AND
SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI LATER THIS EVENING. TROPICAL STORM FORCE
WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO ONSET AROUND 9 PM TONIGHT AND PERSIST
FOR 22 TO 26 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS WILL ONSET AROUND
DAYBREAK AND PERSIST FOR ABOUT 5 TO 10 HOURS. MAXIMUM WIND
GUSTS OF 80 TO 90 MPH ARE POSSIBLE IN EAST-CENTRAL LOUISIANA
AND SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI.

DO NOT VENTURE OUTDOORS ONCE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ONSET

<link below>

God help those poor people trapped in the Superdome and everyone else who got left behind.

http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/raw/ww/wwus74.klix.npw.lix.txt

[Stephanie]

19. Here is the weather report from 4 pm Sunday Aug 29 >>>

This is around the same time Bush was being briefed by the hurricane expert in the photo above.


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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4490806

DoYouEverWonder

Sun Aug-28-05 10:49 PM
Original message

OMG, I've never read a Hurricane Advisory like this one

WWUS74 KLIX 282139
NPWLIX

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...EXTREMELY DANGEROUS HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE
MISSISSIPPI RIVER DELTA...
...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.

AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.

AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WATCH IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR
HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE
POSSIBLE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 TO 36 HOURS.

LAZ038-040-050-056>070-MSZ080>082-290300-
ASSUMPTION-HANCOCK-HARRISON-JACKSON-LIVINGSTON-LOWER JEFFERSON-
LOWER LAFOURCHE-LOWER PLAQUEMINES-LOWER ST. BERNARD-LOWER TERREBONNE-
ORLEANS-ST. CHARLES-ST. JAMES-ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST-ST. TAMMANY-
TANGIPAHOA-UPPER JEFFERSON-UPPER LAFOURCHE-UPPER PLAQUEMINES-
UPPER ST. BERNARD-UPPER TERREBONNE-
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS IN EFFECT...

HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE AREA. TROPICAL STORM
FORCE WINDS ARE CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THE COASTAL MARSHES AND WILL
PERSIST FOR THE NEXT 26 TO 28 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS WILL
ONSET AROUND MIDNIGHT NEAR THE COAST AND BY 3 AM CLOSER TO THE NEW
ORLEANS METRO AREA AND PERSIST FOR 9 TO 15 HOURS. MAXIMUM WIND GUSTS
AROUND 175 MPH ARE LIKELY IN THE WARNED AREA BY DAYBREAK MONDAY.

DO NOT VENTURE OUTDOORS ONCE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ONSET!

$$

LAZ034>037-039-046>049-MSZ068>071-077-290300-
AMITE-ASCENSION-EAST BATON ROUGE-EAST FELICIANA-IBERVILLE-
PEARL RIVER-PIKE-POINTE COUPEE-ST. HELENA-WALTHALL-WASHINGTON-
WEST BATON ROUGE-WEST FELICIANA-WILKINSON-
413 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS IN EFFECT...

HURRICANE KATRINA CONTINUES TO APPROACH THE AREA. TROPICAL STORM
FORCE WINDS ARE CURRENTLY MOVING INTO THE COASTAL MARSHES AND WILL
SREAD NORTHWESTWARD INTO THE GREATER BATON ROUGE AREA AND
SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI LATER THIS EVENING. TROPICAL STORM FORCE
WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO ONSET AROUND 9 PM TONIGHT AND PERSIST
FOR 22 TO 26 HOURS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS WILL ONSET AROUND
DAYBREAK AND PERSIST FOR ABOUT 5 TO 10 HOURS. MAXIMUM WIND
GUSTS OF 80 TO 90 MPH ARE POSSIBLE IN EAST-CENTRAL LOUISIANA
AND SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI.

DO NOT VENTURE OUTDOORS ONCE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ONSET

<link below>

God help those poor people trapped in the Superdome and everyone else who got left behind.

http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/raw/ww/wwus74.klix.npw.lix.txt

[Generic Other]

23. More evidence that contradicts official accounts

Here is what I remember of Sunday, August 28

I happened to be transcribing highlights of Bradshow that day for the All Cindy threads.

flyarm posted this for CPH who reported phone problems that morning:
It seems cell phone lines are being jammed and communications are getting tough..( thats the reason they asked me to write you as they can't get calls out)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4482860

"Storm last night cut out connections."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4484668&mesg_id=4484668

I posted this comment after I heard a very crackly phone transmission from Bush in Crawford Sunday morning about Katrina. CNN aired it. Later that morning, he spoke from Crawford and CNN aired the speech. This time, he delivered it in front of the "blue velvet curtain fake WH set" at Crawford So, CNN aired TWO distinctly different messages that morning an audio and a later video. The first urged people to evacuate. The second one was where he said they'd have to wait until the storm passed in order to see what the government would need to do.

Steph, I think you posted the pic of Mayfiled and Bush in the conf. room that day. I saved a copy of it at the time, but not the post.

Here's something I found on the All Cindy thread on Mondy, August 29:

Update on Bush Events Monday & Tuesday

Monday Evening, August 29, 2005 6:00 PM - 9:00 PM

The President will be staying overnight at the Hotel Del Coronado on Monday night, prior to giving a speech commemorating VJ Day at Naval Station North Island Tuesday morning.

Tuesday, August 30; 6:00 AM to 8:30 AM

North Island Naval Air Station, Main Gate, 4th St. and Alameda Boulevard,Coronado

Gates will open at 6:00 AM. for the 10,000 "invited guests" and the event starts at 8:00 AM.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494714

Presidential pics 8/29/05...... Hurricane?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4502870&mesg_id=4502870