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Vox_Reason Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:35 PM
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Why... Those crazy Swedish socialists!!
Child-centered maternity leave?? What will they come up with next? UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE???!?!?

http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2091&date=20050915&PHPSESSID=893bb50a0b6ce116738f56df15e60d13
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:37 PM
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1. Commie Pinko freaks!
This is just so disgusting how evil and godless Europe has become. :sarcasm:
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:38 PM
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2. They're GODLESS too!
Don't forget to add that to their list of EVILS!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:44 PM
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4. ah-but they value care of the young and support families!

......ublished: 15th September 2005 15:46 CET
Longer parental leave proposed

Parents should be able to take out fifteen months parental leave, of which five months should be reserved for each parent.

This is the proposal from the Karl-Petter Thorwaldsson, who has carried out a government inquiry into the issue, and who presented his findings on Thursday.

In addition, he suggests that mothers should get 30 days paid leave before they are expected to give birth, and that both parents should be able to take 30 days off after their child is born.

"I am very pleased with the proposals that I have put forward," said Thorwaldsson.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:56 PM
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10. And apparently, being godless, they've figured out a way to have THREE
parents!

Parents should be able to take out fifteen months parental leave, of which five months should be reserved for each parent.

So, 15 months with 5 months for each parent equals THREE PARENTS!

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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 08:12 PM
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11. I think they mean each MUST take 5 of the 15...
the other can take 10 months...they're strong on PATERNAL bonding also....
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:46 PM
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5. Dogs and cats living together
they're all goin to hell. lol.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:41 PM
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3. Anybody know if they have citizenship for direct descendents?
I wanna go home! :cry:
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Another Bill C. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:50 PM
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7. Only if a parent
is Swedish. They do allow dual citizenship, though. Naturalization requires a 5-year residency for non-Scandinavians.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:55 PM
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8. Damn. It was my Mor-Mor. n/t
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 08:19 PM
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12. My father is almost a pure Swede
  • But his dad married my grandma, Doris, who was about half swedish.

  • His great grandparents went thru Ellis Island early on. In fact, his great-grandmother (my great-great-grandmother) ran a "house of ill repute" in NYC. (Good for her - I just get the biggest kick out of that. Gives a hint as to why I'm such a strong woman.)

  • His great-grandfather divorced her (and her children destroyed all pictures of her) and then married a lady (my step-great-great-grandmother) who, so I'm told, was the first lady cab driver in NYC.

  • I have all the documents, somewhere. My second cousin (or maybe she's my first cousin one removed? She's my father's Uncle's daughter - okay I'm getting confused just writing this! :eyes: ) has been researching this.

    Anyway, my point is, I can relate to your statement, "I want to go home!"

    (On my mother's side - I'm pretty much a European mix - German, English, Scottish, even some Canadian thrown in there.)

    -Cindy in Fort Lauderdale

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    Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 10:43 PM
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    13. My grandmother's family came from Sweden in the late 19th century
    My great aunts, Annette and Ellen Turngren wrote several novels based on family experiences in Sweden and as immigrants to the States. I'm also a Euro-mix of just about the same combo, but I've always "felt" Swedish due to those stories and my mom's stories about my grandmother.

    Nice to meet a "fellow" Swede-at-heart. :)

    Betty in San Francisco
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    tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:47 PM
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    6. yep very nice
    but somebody has to pay for it

    the Swedes have forgotten thet 1996, they couldn't pay the interests on their international debt. They were practically a banana republic.
    They had to fire about 30% of their civil servants and cut heavily in healthcare, social security etc...

    All this because not even 60% taxes on a normal income were enough to pay for all the social services...

    I know, I lived there and was laid off. So I moved.

    OK they have made a comeback (due to the EU and speculation on the Euro). But it sounds like the social-democratic politics of "paying off" everything won't pay off again in the long run.

    France and Germany have learned the lesson. It's possible to have a very decent social service without ruining the country even if there is still a long way to go...
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    tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 07:56 PM
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    9. Swedish economy by their own central bank :
    "The danger with today’s relatively benign situation is that we forget considerable, underlying growth problems in the Swedish economy. In the really long-term perspective, seen over the past three decades, Sweden has still lost ground in terms of GDP per capita. For example, in order to catch up with the United States in terms of GDP per capita over ten years, Sweden would need 2.5 percentage points higher productivity growth than that of the United States (with today’s figures more than 4 per cent productivity growth per year), which is an unattainably high figure. With a more realistic productivity advantage of a half percentage point per year compared with the US, it would take more than half a century to catch up," said Mr Bergström.

    "In the years ahead there are also dark clouds on the horizon. One such cloud is the labour supply. Despite high growth Swedish employment is low, not least due to the high frequency of sick leave. The problems will be aggravated when the population ages and the dependency burden for the economically active population rises sharply. Today, there are 0.29 persons over 65 years of age for every member of the economically active population ; by 2030 this is estimated to have risen to 0.42. If we are to be able to meet this challenge employment must increase, by way of reduced sick leave, perhaps also a higher retirement age and earlier entry to working life. Moreover, we have an unutilised labour reserve in the form of the unemployed and the immigrant population, for whom the employment rate averages 30 per cent lower than for native Swedes," said Mr Bergström.

    "Another source of concern is the weak capital formation in Sweden. The input of real capital per hour worked is crucial for productivity. Investment in new capital also brings with it new technology. At the same time as Sweden lost ground in terms of GDP per capita at the beginning of the 1970s, the proportion of our available resources that was invested in capital formation (net investment as a proportion of net domestic product) fell from around 15 per cent to 5 per cent. Capital formation has never recovered since. This means that the rate of technological renewal in the business sector and the rest of the economy is being held back, as are improvements in the country’s infrastructure. Weak capital formation, and thereby slow technological renewal, dampens long-term productivity growth. By the same token we can see that in industries and during periods where capital formation has been high, productivity growth has also held up. Examples of this are the IT investment at the end of the 1990s and the less publicised strong productivity growth and competitiveness of Swedish basic industries through increased capital intensity," said Mr Bergström.

    http://www.riksbank.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=13388
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