NOLA- premeditated not criminal negligence

[FogerRox]

I got this from another post here at DU-- but I think it needs to be re-posted

from this site--
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/

[mestup]

1. I'm new here, but I believe the acronym would be LIHOP

[shance]

3. Isn't LIHOP just a softer, gentler way of describing MIHOP?

Let's get to the brass tacks of reality.

[mestup]

5. Okay. You're right. I just wasn't sure how to do the tinfoil hat icon.

...uh, and I don't see an icon for explosives.

[shance]

4. dupe

n/t

[applegrove]

2. Dupe. Search it yourself. This has been discounted. n/t

[mestup]

6. Sorry. I didn't know that. (The whole whitehouse.gov site is fake?)

[applegrove]

7. I wasn't paying so much attention to how it was discounted. But there

is much in the way of dupes floated around the web. And if NO was not mentioned by name - it could be in another document. The letter itself proves nothing in particular. So I wouldn't read anything into it.

There was somewhere someone debunking it. I skimmed over quickly and said to myself - I don't care enough to even read the debunking. You may try to search back a week or so if you are interested. Have you used the DU search?

[mestup]

8. I've been trying the DU search, but

it's not working for me. I'll try to google it.

Thanks for the heads-up anyway. I hate being duped.

[bananas]

11. Don't assume you've been duped just because he disagrees with you.

He said he didn't really read the post which supposedly "debunks" it,
so who knows what it really said?

Welcome to DU!
What brought you here?

[mestup]

16. What brought me here was confusion, what keeps me here is

smart, savvy posters like yourself.

These forums are like the Holy Grail to those of us who start to feel that something(s) just aren't adding up.

I've learned so much just by lurking here!

[bananas]

19. Thanks for the compliment

although I can certainly be an idiot at times.

The word "dupe" has been used with two different meanings here,
one is short for "duplicate", meaning that there is another thread about this somewhere. That is how the other posters meant it.
The other meaning for "dupe" is someone who has been fooled, and that is how you used the term.
So I want to make sure you understand that they weren't saying you were fooled, but that there is another thread about it. That helps keep discussion in one thread, so people don't have to read and respond to the same thing over and over.
But in this case, no one seems to know where these alleged other threads are, so it's perfectly valid to discuss it here.

[applegrove]

20. I also meant by dupe that it had been discussed and discounted by

us on the DU. And perhaps even blocked by Admin.

[bananas]

9. Not debunked.

I haven't seen any posts debunking it.

I just looked at http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1
he has several updates responding to emails he's received,
his point is still valid.

The documents speak for themselves.
He just put them on a graph.

Search is only for donors,
if someone can find a post which "debunks" it,
and which hasn't been responded to in his updates,
please post it.

[mirandapriestly]

12. this is from the Whitehouse site

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html

Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana

The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing.

The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn.

Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding.

Representing FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA [phone].

[bananas]

13. Yup, only the parishes in red. The map is correct. Not debunked.

It's easy enough to verify, thanks.

[mirandapriestly]

10. I saw that, it's very interesting, but I don't see why

he says he can't find demographic differences between the north and south, didn't a Louisiana native give us a tutorial and tell us that the north, which is the one they had a plan for, is rethug, I mean repuglican? What am I missing? It looks like LIHOP to me.

[applegrove]

15. Isn't there a special forum for LIHOP & MIHOP?

[applegrove]

14. I don't see what the significance of it is. That's why i don't care. It is

a piece of paper. Why bother. Maybe someone cut and pasted. Maybe they were fooling. They certainly like to ring people's bells? Is there a separate memo for the city?

The governor & the mayor declared states of emergency. So are you saying Bush only declared a state of emergency "inland"?.

I don't see the point. I don't see the meaning? Who cares?

[mestup]

17. If it's true, I think the meaning would be clear. MI/LIHOP

[applegrove]

18. No - if this is the only document - then someone had fun ringing bells.

Actually - Bush & Co all seemed to be in happy moods the first few days of the hurricane.

[FogerRox]

21. I have the August 29th press release, many more counties were added

FEMA 1st responders were positioned according to this map, and after the strom FEMA responders did rush into NO.

And I think this is the same press relealse that AAR has mentioned as the one that said BUSH did declare an emergency after the GOv of LA asked for it-- but before the strom hit.

Which was shown to be to be factual--- so We know Bush did declare--- if this is the wrong document--- then find the right one----

otherwise this is it-- and it takes the crime from the realm of "criminal negligence"-
John Kerrys words from last weekend---
to premeditated--- lets call it what it is-- Murder.

[FogerRox]

22. kickin