Is it a requirement for W and Jeb!'s kids to get arrested?

[salin]

No child in my extended family, in any generation (eg my parents, my generation, and the next generation) has been arrested. I used to think that was the norm. Perhaps in bushworld it is a rite of passage - a requirement that they must get one arrest under their belt? Granted the twins stuck to simple underage drinking offenses, which aren't nearly as "interesting" as the line of arrests being piled up by Jeb!'s kids. What is it with this family?

Not one or two get arrested - but 100% of them. Does sorta beg the question as to what is going on in that extended family...

[YDogg]

1. Story Link Here

Gov. Bush's Son Arrested in Texas
John Ellis Bush faces charges of public intoxication and resisting arrest.

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050917/NEWS/509170415/1004

[GalleryGod]

2. Apparently,So.

Jeb's got that "Media Stonewall" down pat, Don't He? Heh-Heh:puke:

[YDogg]

5. Screw "It's a private matter." ...

... the kid is an adult. It's not up to jeb to decide it's a private matter ...

[salin]

9. only public in part because Jeb! has pushed

draconian sentencing laws (emph on lockup as opposed to treatment for first time offenders) - but then wants special treatment for his own... and because it isn't one way-ward child - it is three apparently screwed up children. At somepoint it has to point back to the parents. I can understand that one messed up kid might point to causes other than parents (medical conditions, etc.) but THREE?

[BlueEyedSon]

3. "The Aristocrats!"

[moobu2]

4. The arrogant elitist ruling class “above the law” attitude

They were raised in.

[salin]

7. even so - not one has avoided getting arrested?

I think it is more than "above the law" - I think there is something seriously warping going on in that family. Over self-indulgence of the parents - leading to no parental supervision?

[jokerman93]

6. Tribal rite of passage? n/t

[salin]

11. perhaps the game

is a rite of passage to do something that forces the parent to pay attention for more then a passing second?

[jokerman93]

39. Chimperor Anthropology?

So by extension, a Bushchild who succeeds at "getting" this attention, by persisting in their criminality eventually earns a place at the main table. <grin> Could be part of a paper called "The Ethnology of a Global Crime Family".
:yoiks:

(Just love that old Upsidedown game.) :-)

[salin]

40. only one problem - with these rules, Niel would be at the head

of the table - and they pretty much try to hide him.

[jokerman93]

42. maybe we have it backward

Maybe the way it works is the more competent and powerful tend to prefer relative anonymity so they can ply their mojo unhindered by public scrutiny. That is to say, It's a ruse! :-)

[salin]

43. one thing is for sure the whole family believes in getting rich off

of public dollars but doesn't believe that the taxpayers who fund their projects/businesses etc., should dictate (per laws) anything about how they live.

[mzteris]

8. it's a Bush FAMILY VALUE......... n/t

[Horse with no Name]

10. Well having been a young adult once

I can admit to doing stupid things.
Drinking was one of them. Drinking in Austin for the young Bush's has proven to be dangerous--there is some type of radar out for them. I know alot of kids who have drank there and never got busted.
We have our share of Dems whose kids have gotten into trouble...Al Gore's son, a vast array of the Kennedy kids, etc.
I think we are concentrating too much on this story.
Just my .02--FWIW.

[salin]

13. not that someone gets caught - but every one of them?

Starting to wonder if there isn't a little bit of attention seeking? Force dad to acknowledge one's existence (other than for family photoops)?

The point isn't the arrest - it is the oddness that each one of them gets arrested - and not to mention how both of the dad's have passed tougher and tougher laws - but the kids seem not to suffer the same consequences as other kids, say picked up for the same offenses. Granted we don't know how this one will be treated by the courts.

[Horse with no Name]

15. What I think?

I think Austin is pissed off over George Bush and that if they know the Bush kids are in town...if they drink...they are going to nail them.

[salin]

16. might explain Jenna and this one

but I believe one of Barb's citations was out east, and Jebbies other two were in Florida. This explanation can only account for 40% of the 100% rate of W and Jeb!s kids arrests.

[moobu2]

20. LOL wrong

[moobu2]

18. There’s something wrong with them in particular.

Besides, THEY claim to have a handle on “family values” . Something’s wrong when virtually every member of the family has been arrested not to mention the fact that none of them have had to pay for the wrong doing like everyone else would have too.

It's fair game.

[salin]

21. maybe the only one that I am not aware of with a problem is Jeb

Laura vehicular manslaughter (though I don't know that she was arrested as it was deemed an accident)

W duis

Colomba smuggling to avoid paying duties on purchases brought into the country

and then each of the kids.

[moobu2]

23. Jeb has just avoided being caught (thus far)

They're all a bunch of sociopaths I think.

[0007]

12. This is rush's side kick


Noelle Bush

[salin]

14. On the one hand I feel very sorry for her

but on the other - due to Jeb's laws most first time offenders do TIME not rehab. How did she get rehab not time?

[moobu2]

24. while Noel was in rehab she was busted for crack

possession and only got 10 more day's added to her stay there...What do you think would happen to you, if you got busted for crack?

They have a get out of jail free card.

[0007]

30. I bet the rules of that rehab center,

has some strong wording about one being caught with drugs....and I bet it isn't an extra ten day stay.

[Burning Water]

17. They do seem

to have a little problem with alcohol, don't they? Still lots of families do. My own brother recently had a trial on DUI (Like Debra Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond, he fell asleep at the wheel with the keys in the car, although the engine wasn't running. He was acquitted on that one. Not that he hadn't done it, the police screwed up. He has another one coming up.

Although I have no sympathy with the * family, the children are not to blame for the parent's evil policies, nor are the parent responsible for the adult children's behavior. Besides, how many of us never had a problem with drink, or drugs, or something else, and have just been fortunate enough not to be caught??

[salin]

19. difference is the percentage of this generation of bush's with

a record. Did all the kids in your family end up with arrests? Did your parents pass laws that are more and more harsh for first time offenders and then somehow help your brother get off without the same penalities? That is where it gets noteworthy, imo.

[Burning Water]

25. Everything you say

makes sense. However, there is undoubtedly a lot of public interest in the Bush kids. Other public families have the same problems, Almost any Hollywood family seems to have high levels of it. So do a lot of political families, on both sides of the ideological divide.

My point is: the kids are not responsible for the parents policies, and I don't think particularly that we should begrudge them a lenient judge. I'd certainly like one if I had made a mistake and had to appear in court.

[salin]

26. while the kids are not responsible for the parent's policies

the implementation of those policies should be considered. Jeb pushed sentencing laws in Florida that would require jail time for each first time offender rather than a treatment option - required. But to my knowledge his daughter recieved treatment - but no jail time? I would wish for them the same lienency that is allowed for other people but only that.

When laws are applied equally - and if some of those laws have moved to the point that the punishment is disproportional to the crime, it is only then that those who create the policies whose families are equally touched, will then reconsider the policies.

[Burning Water]

31. Not to be flip,

or anything like that, I heard from some conservative types much the same arguments when Clinton was going through his legal troubles. "He was for all these sexual harassment laws, why shouldn't he be subject to them?". I suppose it makes as much, or as little, sense from either perspective.

However, in this imperfect world, the powerful will always catch a better break that the average joe or jane. That's what we're fighting against, isn't it? But I don't object to the Bush kid's good fortune, as such. I object to a system that allows it to happen. To personalize people's misfortunes, to indulge in schadenfruede (damn, I hope I spelled that right), is, well, distasteful to me. Just a personal quirk.

[salin]

35. frankly, I would agree

per subject to laws. I presume that those same folks know something about how hard it is for those laws to actually lead to action? Had a friend in the 90s (pre publicity around monica) who worked in the field of having to try to track down possible harassment - very difficult work - and though she was sympathetic in nature - found it near impossible - per the laws - to prove situations to where action could be taken. Seems that the republican GOP in congress kept passing laws that moved the burden of proof completely to the person making the claim of harrassment to the point of making it near impossible. So to that argument by conservatives, per their complaint of Clinton - point out that it is their own congressional leadership that made this the case.

Again I am not making light of this one young man's situation. I am making comment per the unanimous condition of all of these offspring, and that this is not necessarily common - and then add the policies of the parents, and then the unanimous situation of laws not being applied in the same way (though not yet unanimous, as we don't yet know what will happen in this situation) that makes this noteworthy.

[BuelahWitch]

37. Who says Clinton sexually harassed anyone?

Paula Jones? HA! Monica? Certainly not. Saying Bill Clinton was a sexual harasser is BS of the first degree.

[Burning Water]

38. You'll note that

I did not make the claim. But it has been made. You can discount the testimony of those that did, but it did go to court.

All I did was point out that the argument is the same in both cases. Logic is logic, no matter which side it helps, or hurts.

[salin]

41. but there are realities beyond "logic"

see my note above. The realities make these noncomparable. Indeed one could make the case that what Clinton had to deal with (per hearing after hearing, eventual disbarment and censure) is far more than almost ever happens with those laws due to GOP legislation making those harassment laws almost impossible to lead to charges.

[Burning Water]

44. Realities beyond logic, huh??

OK, why should I doubt you. I don't deal with them, though.

As I said, my only concern is that the kids not be tarred with the parent's brush.

[salin]

45. post 33

as how this complaint (per Clinton comparison) falls apart. I even start with an agreement with the appliance of the laws - just that those particular laws were compromised severely (in terms of prosicution) due to GOP led legislation as I describe in the other post.

[moobu2]

27. Using influence for lenient sentences for your kids

Teaches them nothing besides how to use influence to avoid doing time for wrong doing. Our current president is a good example.

[Burning Water]

33. I agree n/t

[leftofthedial]

22. they are criminals

criminals get arrested

they are amoral sociopaths

amoral sociopaths have no regard for others or for the law

the sick thing (other than the degenerate bushes) is the freeper-dittohead contingent springing to their defense (they were al framed by liberals; some relative of a former Dem politician was almost as bad, etc.)

[KansDem]

28. Getting arrested use to result in embarrassment and shame.

At least when I was growing up. The only people I ever knew who were arrested were a couple of friends for DUI. To be arrested was a big "no-no" and the sign of something wrong, either with the family of the arrestee or with the arrestee himself.

Now consider the Bushes:
GW Bush arrested four times: disturbing the peace, stealing, DUI, coke possession;

Noel Bush: drugs (more than once);

Jenna Bush: drinking;

John Ellis Bush: drinking and resisting arrest, planking a girl in a parking lot;

Others:
Columba Bush (Jeb's wife): caught trying to smuggle new clothing and jewelry into the USA from Europe http://www.sptimes.com/News/62299/State/Gov_Bush_says_his_wif.shtml

Bush Family: obtaining an illegal abortion for George W's girlfriend Robin in 1971.

This is no doubt a family for whom rules and laws don't apply. To paraphrase Leona Helmsley: "Only the little people have to obey the law"

[moobu2]

29. Noelle Bush, the governor's daughter,

" was arrested in January 2002 and was accused of trying to pass a fraudulent prescription at a Tallahassee pharmacy to obtain the anti-anxiety drug Xanax. She completed a drug rehabilitation program in August 2003 and a judge dismissed the drug charges against her.

Noelle Bush was sent to jail twice for violating rules during her rehab stint. She was jailed for three days in July 2002 after being caught with prescription pills and served 10 days a month later after being accused of having a small rock of crack cocaine in her shoe."

Wonder where Noel is now?

[Neocondriac]

32. Inherent

recklessness. Elite criminals are just that way. The arresting officer is getting a 'good talking to' today .Trust me.!

[salin]

36. given the firing of the lawyer

who unknowingly outed Karl Rove's illegal behavior per residency, you are most likely correct!

[YOY]

34. Apparently it is also part of 'hitting rock bottom'

in the even of becoming born-again freak.

Most f***-ups take this path of self righteousness.