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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:46 PM
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My friend's trip into NOLA today (photo heavy)
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 11:14 PM by Autumn Colors
He's from Mississippi and I know him from another forum. He gave me permission to re-post his journal entry from that site over here. He talks about a slimy film that he's never seen before growing on everything (not just "regular mold" - even on the second floor where water never reached. The first 3 photos show that film. In the first one, look at the very bottom of the dresser -- like it's growing from the floor up to the wood. Who knows what kind of stuff is growing down there. No one's ever thrown all of these chemicals, fuels, drugs, body parts all together in one mix. We may end up with something no one's seen before.

I should also tell you that he's 20 years old and before the hurricane, seemed (to me anyway) to take very little interest in politics. He likes making and editing videos for entertainment. Now, he says he wants to use his camera to spread information about what happened down there. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think I may have just witnessed the birth of a new Democratic voter in MS.

He writes:

"I just got back home from New Orleans.

Leaving my town was a little rough. I got to see some of the towns close to mine and the damage done there. It was basically the same amount. Power lines down, roofs blown away, that sort of thing. Although I wasn't prepared to see what I was about to see.

Before I go on, here's a small background of my childhood. I actually grew up in New Orleans. I lived there for about eight years before I moved to Mississippi after my parents split up. My real childhood home is New Orleans. My mother's entire family lives there. My father's family lives there. As I said yesterday, I was going back with my Aunt and Uncle to try to salvage anything in the house that we could.

Going farther and farther down the interstate we could see nothing but broken trees. Almost every tree on the way to LA was snapped in half. Going across the bridge into New Orleans was horrible. Parts of other bridges were visible, buckled up and fallen into the water. Power lines going across the lake were broken. It was pretty bad.

Once we actually got into the city, things were starting to look a lot worse. Everything is dead. It was a real ghost town. There wasn't a green plant in site. Trees, bushes, grass, everything. Dead. The entire city is under Martial Law. The National Guard was everywhere. Every time you turned around, there was a guy with an M-16 or Shotgun standing right there.

Just today, the city had started a new order. For anyone to be able to get back into the city, they had to have a special business owner or contractors pass to get back in. Although my uncle owns a car parts and repair shop, we didn't have the pass. After about an hour though, we found some back roads to get back into the part of the city where the shop is, and also his house close by.

I saw cars that had floated away, houses that left the foundations and floated into the middle of the street. I had never seen anything like this before. Inside the shop, there was mud everywhere. Everything was so wet and dirty. We couldn't really get much out of there, so we just left it.

Then came what I wasn't ready for. The last time I had seen the inside of my Aunt and Uncle's house was when I came back from Toronto, since I flew out of the New Orleans airport. When we opened the front door of the house, a smell hit my face that I had never smelled before. This was the most horrible smell ever. There was at least 3 to 5 inches of mud caked in the floor. Objects in the house were moved because they floated in the water. Chairs, desks, the fridge, the piano, couches, everything. There was mold everywhere. The air was so thick and moldy. In some rooms, my eyes even began to burn and water. Anything that was lower than 5 feet in the house was completely unsalvageable. Anything higher than that was already starting to ruin because of the mold. There was a thick slimy film in some places that I had never seen before. The house was completely ruined. It was like a bad dream. I remember so many things from my childhood from that house, and everything was completely destroyed. We got what we could, TV's and VCR's and such that were over the water level and we tried to clean up the best that we could. We left the city without thought of ever coming back.

I have a few hundred pictures of the city that I took today, which I'll be uploading to a directory on the webserver in a little bit. There's just too many to upload individually, so it will be in a directory listing. Also, I have a lot of pictures of the inside of the house, and I do believe that these are some of the VERY few that are out right now, as I am sure I'm one of the very few people that were allowed (sort of) to go back into the city and actually take pictures of things.

Bottom line: New Orleans is completely destroyed. No satellite pictures can begin to describe what I've seen today. And in just a little while, you'll be able to witness these images yourselves."









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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:53 PM
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1. Great post....but
the poster's "bottom line: New Orleans is completely destroyed" is not true. Many areas in NO are completely destroyed. Other areas are relatively okay, and this Feb. 28 will be the best Mardi Gras ever.
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:58 PM
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6. Well...
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 11:28 PM by Autumn Colors
It's mostly teens on that forum. I'm sort of the resident old fogey. This obviously made a big impression on this kid.

And frankly, with all of the bacteria growing all over where ANY flood waters reached, I certainly would never want to move back there. I just know that the "official" gov't line will be the area is safe, the air is safe ... but then I just think back to all the people in downtown Manhattan who returned when it was pronounced "safe" and the subsequent reports of health problems. The buildings may be architecturally sound, but would you really want to LIVE there, unsure of how safe it is - especially for families with kids? I can just see some little toddler crawling around - with the way they put things in their mouths all the time. No way.

I think in a way, the city really is destroyed.
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:06 PM
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11. you might be right....
i don't really know about the toxic mold, air pollution, etc...But I do have lots of friends in NO who will be moving back fairly soon (I'm in Baton Rouge).
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:53 PM
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2. Wow
Fascinating and terribly sad account/pics.

And god, what IS up with the film stuff? You're right, we could end up with some really weird stuff out of this, stuff never seen before.

:scared:
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:53 PM
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for want of a nail
:cry:
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:53 PM
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3. the truth seeps out
Rebuilding NO. That's what we hear about. But there were at least two stories posted here by credible scientific sources that said it's a fool's errand. This place is contaminated and will be uninhabitable for a decade.

I cringed when I read your friend's description of going in the structure.

It was heartbreaking to see this home...destroyed.




Cher
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:57 PM
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4. Thanks for posting this.
It's one person's truth. Gather all the individual truths and experiences together, and we'll know what the reality is. (Because we know we're not going to get it from the government or the corporate media.)
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:57 PM
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5. Does mold grow that much, that fast?
Even with temps in the mid-90s with humidity to match?

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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:04 PM
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9. Here are more photos
That show mold growing on the ceiling and walls ABOVE where the flooding stopped.







And a sign they saw while driving by

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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:10 PM
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14. wow, the water really seems to be a nutricious "soup" ... for molds
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 11:11 PM by Bozita
I can't think of anything that's not in that mix.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:58 PM
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27. holy shit.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:19 AM
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32. Good Lord...
(well it seems a really good Lord could have stopped this from happening, but that is another issue)
this set of pictures is even stranger, seeing such abundant mold where the water didn't even get to.

I didn't read all the mold links below...but am wondering if it's mold that can make eyes burn and water so quickly. And slime?

What...a wretched loss. The loss of life is, of course, far worse then loss of things...but so many lost all their things. The things of day to day life, things we take for granted.
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 04:34 AM
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46. I've seen that kind of mold before
the "film" and the other stuff growing in the ceiling and walls - in other places that have flooded in Louisiana.

Louisiana is very, very humid most of the time. Usually well over 80% humidity, particularly this time of year. There is mold in most houses - and with the conditions that have resulted from the hurricane and subsequent flood, it's taking off. Imagine the humidity where the water is standing - and the high temperatures. Mold heaven.

Most people in Louisiana keep mold down by having the air conditioner running almost year round. Even on coolish days, when the temperature might be low enough to have the windows open, you will find moisture beading on your varnished furniture if it's humid enough. A lot of the running of air conditioners is done simply to keep the humidity inside to decent levels.

Mold marks and spots were part and parcel of houses in the days prior to air conditioning. Not like this - this is because of very unusual circumstances, a lot of standing water, high temperatures, high humidity.

The "roots" of mold can be in many places in wallboard, but not develop to the "blooming" phase where it is visible until the conditions are right. Similar mold infestations occurred in the late 1970's, when there was some major flooding in South Louisiana.

I doubt it's anything "new" - just mold gone wild after being incubated for three weeks in conditions that constitute Mold Heaven - hot, humid and nobody cleaning it up when it first starts to appear, or running an air conditioner to keep the indoor humidity down.

Gonna be a hell of a clean up. All wallboard is going to have to go in that house.
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 04:17 PM
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60. Well the new owners (if any) will have to do it
His aunt and uncle left before the hurricane and went to a state that wasn't hit. They picked up my Mississippi friend on their way driving back to LA. His aunt and uncle have already said they won't be going back there again.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:05 PM
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10. Yes. Had a mold issue a few years ago. It is a nasty force not to be
messed with.

And it eats drywall like there is no tomorrow.

Makes you sick as well, although everyone will tell you there is no scientific proof of that yet.

The worst is that I suspect mold is easy to deal with compared to some of what is there.

Anyone and everyone going in there should have proper equipment -- and I bet very few of them will.

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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 06:23 AM
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48. Yes, mold can make people very sick.
I'm sensitive to it - ended up with a sort of chronic pneumonia for five years when I lived in a house that turned out to be full of black mold in the basement, in places we couldn't see it. Some folks don't seem to be affected by it, but if you are sensitive to mold, it can be a horrific health hazard.
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:14 AM
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56. No way, its been proven that Black mold causes critical illness.
It is a powerful enough mold that once you have a visible bloom of it in your house it is almost certain that health inspectors will condemn the entire house.

Up here in NY I can take you to three different houses within a few miles of mine that are contaminated with black mold and condemned,

Black mold can kill. Other molds are harder to track as the catalyst for lung infections et al, but I was told by several different mycologists just to think of certain types of mold spores as "the B-52s of allergens".

I must say that it is impossible to identify the types of mold present in the pics, most molds like many mushrooms must be identified via the spore under a microscope.

Scary sad stuff....
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 06:36 PM
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62. FO finished a lawsuit a year ago and while I think most "sane" people
KNOW that mold causes health issues. It's amazing the Etimologists that will get on the stand and say it's all in your head. "proof" is a funny thing.

AND we had air readings off of the charts. Some of the highest seen by our testing co -- which is one of the oldest around.

BTW, don't know what your relationship is to mold but we used one of the best Enviro Health Scientists in the country and he is a nice guy as well. If he would ever be useful to you, PM me for info.
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 08:25 PM
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Ahhh got you...
Jeeze I can't believe how easy it is still in this day and age to warp the truth.

I'm good on the mold now, we had a bloom in the basement of a place that I lived in about 4 years ago, was essentially harmless (as things go though, who knows).

I used to be a serious fungaphile about 10 years ago... thats how I got to know some mycologists. Always had a soft spot for certain slime molds they did. Me... I just wanted gourmet edibles (for the most part).

If I ever get another bloom I'll come and search you out, thanks much for the offer!
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 08:25 PM
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64. Ahhh got you...
Jeeze I can't believe how easy it is still in this day and age to warp the truth.

I'm good on the mold now, we had a bloom in the basement of a place that I lived in about 4 years ago, was essentially harmless (as things go though, who knows).

I used to be a serious fungaphile about 10 years ago... thats how I got to know some mycologists. Always had a soft spot for certain slime molds they did. Me... I just wanted gourmet edibles (for the most part).

If I ever get another bloom I'll come and search you out, thanks much for the offer!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:22 PM
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18. Warm and humid.........that's just like the incubators we used in the lab
to grow fungi for study. They LOVE warm and muggy.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 01:08 AM
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42. It's warm (98.6F) and humid in our lungs, isn't it?
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 06:29 AM
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49. Yes it is -
and lots of people have fungus infestations of their lungs and sinuses. It's one of the causes of chronic sinusitis and chronic bronchitis. It can also be a cause of asthma.

Some people get fungal infections of the sinuses so bad their noses and sometimes large portions of their faces have to be amputated. These infections can eat into blood vessels and cause stroke. There was one man in particular whose entire face, from his eyebrow line to his lower jaw, had to be amputated, including his eyes. He was given one of the first full facial prostheses to try to make his life a bit more endurable. He'd had multiple strokes because of the fungal infection.

We have fungi of all types in and on our bodies. Sometimes we get infected with fungi that is bad news. And many people are badly affected by this kind of mold shown in the photos.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:21 AM
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57. People with normally functioning immune systems will not develop
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 11:26 AM by kestrel91316
infections with these environmental fungi. They are what is known as opportunists when they DO infect us. They are not your normal pathogens. A planet full of these "germs" is why God gave us immune systems.

Fungal spores ARE a problem for asthmatics.

Rip out the moldy sheetrock and carpeting. Get a dehumdifier and a HEPA air filter. Invest in a few bottles of bleach. And don't be paranoid, just use common sense.


on edit: DEhumidifier, lol
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 04:14 PM
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59. He already said they're not going back
They took what they could from the house and are not returning to live in New Orleans. They've moved out of the hurricane damaged states (they just picked my Mississippi friend up on the way).
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RazzleCat Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:41 AM
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54. Yes, mold will grow that fast
I did disaster recovery for 10 years, with in 24 hours you can have some serious mold growth. Mold also comes in every color of the rainbow. But I too would worry about whats growing from the toxic mix it was created from.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:01 PM
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7. Very disturbing pictures. It makes me wonder if the areas of the city
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 11:07 PM by BrklynLiberal
that were not flooded are truly safe since they have to be within transmittable range of whatever toxicity is affecting the areas that were flooded.

How safe can the air and water be in areas that are anywhere near the flooded areas that are filled with chemical toxins and fungus, mold and bacteria..that may be both water- and air-borne?

FEMA and the EPA lied about the air quality after <u-no-what> so why wouldn't they lie about what is happening in New Orleans?..especially if they have Bush cronies coming in to build big money-making condos and McMansions that they will want to sell to gullible suckers.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:04 PM
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8. Thanks for sharing that
Please share the addy when more photos are posted. The more eyes that see it, the better.

Please give your friend a cyber hug from me.
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:08 PM
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12. Thanks
The ones here, I saved and uploaded to my own webspace. I'll grab some more and upload them. Many are blurry because they were driving by.

Do you think it would be worth it to send any of these with a note to people like Anderson Cooper, Keith Olbermann, etc? I'm thinking mostly about the aspect of the all the mold and that film shown in the photos.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:16 PM
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15. it certainly couldn't hurt to try to get them to as many people as
possible, and as quickly as possible, before the notoriously short national attention span moves on to other things, like cheney's latest surgery or whatever.
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:22 PM
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19. If they're interested at all
I was thinking that maybe his aunt and uncle might allow him to give them the address of the house and shop if they wanted to just go inside and film in there themselves (better quality).
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:20 PM
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16. Absolutely send them to Olbermann
Although I think he is on vacation next week. Send them to Brian Williams too. And Randi Rhodes, and Mike Malloy. Send them to Robert Kennedy Jr too. Anyone with a national "show" and a web page that can display them. Send them to Oprah too.

Each one teach one - with their own eyes.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:40 AM
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38. Send the pics and your observations, please!
These people have been listening and reporting.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:09 PM
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13. Let us know (in this thread) when he posts the rest of his photos
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 11:14 PM by Hardhead
Fascinating.

It looks as though that nasty film is coating everything and giving rise to the wretched mold. I'd bet the mycologists over at the shroomery could identify that nasty shit.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:26 PM
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21. Fun!!!!! When can I get started???
I did some independent study in veterinary medical mycology in college. Culturing, isolating, and identifying fungi is FUN. Very interesting work, and there are so many genuses and species this whole swampy mess is a mycologist's DREAM!

Too bad it had to come at such a terrible price.

These houses are essentially doomed. They need to be taken down to the studs and bare foundation, and even the framing might be unsalvageable. I think we are looking at a whole lot of bulldozer work in NOLA soon.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:08 AM
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30. An amateur diagnosis
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 12:36 AM by Hardhead
Please note I am NOT a mycologist, I just play one on DU:

This photo, the white stuff near the top:


Looks like some type of Cobweb mold or Dactylium Mildew (Hypomyces sp.):


But this photo:


Looks like Black Mold, Aspergillus sp.:



"Species range in color from yellow to green to black. Aspergillus niger, as its name implies, is black; Aspergillus flavus is yellow; Aspergillus clavatus is blue-green; Aspergillus fumigatus is grayish green; and Aspergillus veriscolor exhibits a variety of colors (greenish to pinkish to yellowish). These molds, like many others, change in color and appearance according to the medium on which they occur. Several species are thermophilic (requiring high temperatures for normal development).

Some Aspergillus species are toxic. Aspergillus flavus, a yellow to yellowish green species, produces the deadly aflatoxins. A. flavus attacks cottonseed meals, peanuts and other seeds high in oil that have been stored in hot, damp environments. Of all the biologically produced toxins, the aflatoxins are the most potent hepatacarcinogens yet found. The toxicity of this species was largely unknown until, in 1960, 100,000 turkeys mysteriously died from an outbreak of this disease in Great Britain."

I'm using the Shroomery's Contamination FAQ for reference:
http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23418

I neglected to mention (as though it needs mentioning), black mold in great abundance is pretty much the death knell for any structure of wood and/or sheet rock. It's highly toxic. Even demolishing the home is hazardous. You do NOT want to breathe those spores. They are poisonous.
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:17 AM
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31. Got a guess about the stuff on the bottom?
The webby film going from the rug/floor up to the wood of the dresser? Same thing or no clue?
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:26 AM
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35. That is some chemical soup previously unknown to man
I think. Nobody really knows what that stuff is. It's everything you never wanted to come into contact with, condensed into a chemical stew that is unimaginably nasty. Fuel, sewage, dead people and animals, trash, home chemicals (including drano and bleach and other lovely stuff). I'm sure TV doesn't do it justice. By all accounts, it is putrid beyond belief. And it coats everything in the city. Even structures that only received 4 or 5 feet of flooding are probably lost.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:41 AM
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39. Probably some anaerobic swamp bacteria in the muck on the bottom,
and if the petroleum and lead and other chemicals haven't killed them, maybe even some higher life forms like rotifera, paramecia, amoebae, and even flatworms. A biologist's fantasy.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 08:23 PM
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63. You enjoy this too much, kestrel, lol
:) I understand what you feel, though. The opportunity of a scientist's lifetime. Why aren't you out there already, taking samples for analysis? :P
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:38 AM
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37. I bet there's TONS of Aspergillus of multiple species there...........
The others I have no idea. My experience is with medical pathogens. But I would love to get in there with my culture media and some lactophenol cotton blue stain for ID. I bet there are even some new and previously unknown species in there.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:46 AM
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40. Tons of Aspergillus - you're literally right
What a frightening thought. That is some of the nastiest stuff. It will be rampant there for quite some time to come. They tell you at the Shroomery; if you encounter these types of mold, avoid breathing them at all costs. They can make you seriously ill. If you brush up against a dry mold, the spores will just explode into the air. Horrible stuff.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:25 AM
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58. Well they sure will induce a cough reflex! I think if you have a healthy
immune system it's very hard, if not impossible to get an opportunistic infection with these guys. But they can wreak havoc with asthmatics.

DUST MASK TIME
HEPA FILTER TIME
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 04:26 AM
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45. Self Delete
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 04:27 AM by Vektor
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:20 PM
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17. anyone spend a significant amount of time there needs to read up (links)
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 11:24 PM by bushmeat
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:23 PM
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20. They were only there for a matter of hours today
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 11:23 PM by Autumn Colors
and wore masks (saw photos of him with a mask on) and I'm betting gloves, too.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:33 PM
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22. Pictures are sad.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:33 PM
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23. This gave me the heebie-jeebies.
I can see mold on the ceiling, but that webby stuff... :wtf:

A flood is bad enough, but the toxicity in NO is just another kick to the curb for those who have already lost everything. I'm glad to see the truth is coming out. Please post your friend's web site. I want to see all the photos.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:47 PM
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25. I looked at the photos first and was thinking what is that SNOT-like
substance.

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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:35 PM
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24. Wow. Thanks for posting. Any idea of the location? I lived in Lakeside
for a year in 1994, and I think it was completely submerged, but still don't know for certain. Pretty close to Lake Ponchartrain.
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:58 PM
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26. I'm not sure
I was talking to him more and he doesn't think his aunt and uncle would want anyone nosing around there, so I'm not going to post anything that would identify the location (info or photos). He took plenty driving around, though.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:02 AM
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28. Self Delete n/t
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 12:18 AM by Sgent
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:20 AM
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33. The main street was Canal Blvd. which went all the way to the lake...it
is parallel to Vicksberg (one street to the east of Canal Blvd.) I lived on Vicksberg. It was a nice residential area. Lakeview Presbyterian Church is on Canal Blvd not too far from where I lived. I've been to Joes several times! It was ruined, right?
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:23 AM
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34. Yikes! I just responded to your post, and you self deleted! Lol...n/t
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:03 AM
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29. Eeeeeuwwwww- uuuck!
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 12:04 AM by kineneb
My uninformed guess is that house and total contents are toast. No amount of bleach and fungus killer will ever get the place clean. The walls, timbers and foundation will have been contaminated, not to mention the ground underneath the house.

While I was attending SFSU one of the dorms had developed one of the toxic molds and had to be partially gutted and completely cleaned. The college is in South San Francisco, where it is cool most of the time and the humidity rarely gets above 60%, except if it is raining. I can't imagine what the combination of the toxic soup, heat and humidity has done to the buildings.

The comment about effects outside the flooded areas is important. Mold spores and funguses affect the rich and the poor alike. So those mansion owners may not be as lucky as they think.

edited for spelling
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:35 AM
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36. This is just heartbreaking.
:cry:
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:50 AM
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41. He says this is New Orleans East (n/t)
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GOPAgainstGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 01:12 AM
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43. Toxic Mold Can Cause Serious Brain Damage
We went through this toxic mold problem in 2001, when Houston suffered a catastrophic flood after Tropical Storm Allison stalled over the city. 22 deaths and $5 billion in damage. Some of these molds are extremely toxic and cause brain damage. They also can seriously damage a human's metabolic energy capabilities causing significant long-term disability and neurocellular death. All you can do is bulldoze the homes seriously affected. Also the insurance companies are worthless as to being fair in covering the cost of reconstruction due to toxic mold issues.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 03:53 AM
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44. Very sad to see
I have friend who is a nurse in NO she stayed behind to work at Mercy Hospital during the hurricane. I have gotten E-Mail from her, she is alright though she ended up evacuated for a while to the Superdome. My friend's home is located on highground on the Westbank so she didn't lose her home but said it is a terrible mess. I wonder if she is going to have to contend with that kind of thing, it's all just awful. :cry:
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 05:53 AM
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47. OK I'VE UPLOADED ABOUT 50 OF HIS PHOTOS
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 06:00 AM by Autumn Colors
Photos and his eyewitness account are now up on my webspace. Excuse the simple format of the webpages. I tried not to load too many photos on each page. Please feel free to link to the main page if you have a website and want to spread his story to more people. Thanks!!

http://www.michander.com/NOLA-091705/NOLA-091705.htm
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CabalPowered Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 06:41 AM
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50. Wow! I can't believe how much mold there is already..
Thanks for the photos.
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Citizen Jane Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 08:27 AM
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51. Thanks for uploading and posting the link
Only by seeing things like these will people begin to understand a small fraction of the devastation which has occurred in NOLA.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:26 AM
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53. My god.
The dead grass. The sodden, moldy games and baby bed. The "Happy Birthday" banner that survived because it was above the flood line.

Jesus.

:cry:
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:58 AM
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55. heartbreaking
This was someone's home. The rooms are decorated with care and thought. The caps on the wall. The dishes arranged in the cabinet. The books in the bookcase and the computer.

What a tragedy for your friend. I feel so badly for this family.




Cher
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:06 AM
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52. These photos are horrifyingly similar to the chernobyl photos.
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 09:07 AM by bushmeat
Everything in these people lives was left behind and is unsalvagable yet is still lying there inside their houses.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 05:42 PM
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61.  The mold spores can be spread elsewhere thru the air, also....
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/05/katrina/3357472

When Hurricane Katrina's floodwaters poured into the Gulf Coast — saturating walls, shoes, sofas, floors and roofs — billions of dormant mold spores woke up. Now, fueled by moisture and temperature, those spores are growing furiously.


While debate continues over how dangerous household molds may be, people with allergies, asthma or weakened immune systems can suffer severe respiratory problems when they breathe in spores. Some fungal organisms feed on wood for their growth, leaving a gooey, structurally unsound beam behind.

After floods, federal agencies often urge homeowners to strip homes of wet carpets and furniture and dry the building out within 48 hours to stop mold infestation — but there are no guidelines for what to do with a house that has been partly submerged for weeks.

Within days, a few spores can produce millions more, which are then carried to other locations by air currents. By the time mold is visible — which can take from a day to several weeks after germination — it often has taken root in walls and may be impossible to get out. Scientists worry many poor homeowners will spend tens of thousands of dollars attempting to get rid of mold, only to find that their efforts have failed.


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Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:15 PM
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65. Are the real Pro-Lifers going to say we need to let the mold live?
"Pro-Lifers" don't deserve the name.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:56 PM
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66. thanks for posting.... eom
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