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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:10 PM
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Neocons stopped surveillance of Atta in order to create 2nd Pearl Harbor?
Someone ordered the Pentagon to destroy its classified info on Atta?

Senate Testimony: Agent To Reveal Neo-Con Coverup of Atta ID Wed. Sept 21 9:30 AM!

If the surveillance of Atta continued, the neo-cons would have seen that the four hijackers they were watching had all bought tickets for the morning of September 11 on different flights.

If true, the neo-cons would thus have known the exact time and date of the 9-11 Attack by Atta and the Gang.
...
There seems to have been a neo-con cell in the Pentagon which prevented Clinton and Clarke from knowing that al-Queda was on American soil.

-- Sherlock Google at Daily Kos, 17 Sept 2005


Is this how PNAC got its "second Pearl Harbor" (a/k/a 911)?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:17 PM
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1. Great info..too bad this thread is going to be tossed into the attic of
9/11 Forum.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:18 PM
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2. "Mission accomplished!"
Our own little chimpy actually accomplished something in his otherwise worthless life.

Gyre
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:26 PM
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3. This comment is interesting
After the info was destroyed, then Able Danger itself was disbanded in Feb. 2001 by Bush and Cheney, officially ending it in May 2001.

-- Feb 2001? This must have been one of the first things Bushco did after taking office on Jan 20. Seems a bit fishy to me!
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:28 PM
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4. Take it to the LIHOP / MIHOP room.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:29 PM
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5. Recommend for Greatest Page (need 3 more) - eom
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:30 PM
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6. Are we sure this was not leaked by Rovbots to keep us busy on
things other than the wrong war, Katrina response, lack of elite sacrifice, corporate benefited diminishing of governance at all levels, transparency in elections, etc.

just asking?

Where does this come from? And like the "quiet little quotes on Diebold Machines from newly ex-conservatives" can we verify the source as not intentionally misleading?

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:30 PM
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7. Check this out:
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 11:35 PM by babylonsister
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4806632

understandinglife (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-17-05 07:04 PM
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"Senate Testimony: Agent To Reveal Neo-Con Coverup of Atta ID Next Week"
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 07:05 PM by understandinglife

I follow all of this closely, as some of you know.

In this case, I'm just going to suggest you read the thread at dKos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/17/14243/4608

Edited to add text:

If anyone thinks that business-as-usual is going to continue in "America," they are incorrect.

The 'revolution' will indeed be televised, blogged and podcast, and I hope none of you are planning for a comfy 'holiday season.'

more..


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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 02:15 PM
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12. Thanks for the dailykos link!! n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:59 AM
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8. Where was Atta in mid December of 2000?

Was he in the US?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:19 PM
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9. This is treason
I know the Right bandies the term a little, but this is what treason looks like... Hey Annnie Coulter are you taking notes, and my dear will you know rewerite your books telling us why the RIght hates America?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:19 PM
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10. typo alert. there's a question mark in your thread title.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:30 PM
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11. This is Plame/Able Danger related....
If we are still interested in the Plame investigations, then this thread is relevant to GD
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:42 PM
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13. DO THE MATH
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 07:44 PM by seemslikeadream
BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER


http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.



MUST READ - RE: ABLE DANGER INFO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4447706

Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481


Able Danger: Short Time-line
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4441903

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524



Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005


Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims — that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 — will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


more
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166800,00.html


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1727804&mesg_id=1727804




Condi in Middle of Able Danger ‘Cover Up’"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger “will shake the country to its roots."

...

If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Span’s Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? That’s the big question right now, we have to ask that. I don’t know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, “I’m a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger.” That’s what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, I’m talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


more...

http://www.theinternationalpost.com/z30082005.html

Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4500623


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/security_attacks_pentagon_dc


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1744982&mesg_id=1744982


Weldon: Atta Papers Destroyed on Orders
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1784181
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:56 PM
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14. Zelikow Schoomaker Franks Franklin
Schoomaker, who worked under neo-con Tommy Franks in Tampa, retired in December of 2000. The indicted Larry Franklin was another neo-con in the Clinton Administration.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 08:03 PM
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15. Larry Franklin
Larry Franklin (leak classified info to AIPAC) indictment unsealed today


Pentagon Analyst Indicted in Info Leak

By MARK SHERMAN
The Associated Press
Monday, June 13, 2005; 5:56 PM


A Pentagon analyst has been indicted on charges that he leaked classified military information to employees of a pro-Israel lobbying organization and an Israeli official, federal authorities said Monday.

The six-count indictment charges that Lawrence A. Franklin conspired to disclose national defense and classified information to people not entitled to receive it, including information about potential attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq.

None of the charges involves espionage. An FBI agent's affidavit that accompanied the criminal complaint against Franklin last month did not suggest that the disclosure endangered U.S. troops, but it said intelligence sources could have been compromised.

Franklin, a 58-year-old Air Force Reserve colonel who once worked for the Pentagon's No. 3 official, pleaded innocent to all counts Monday at a hearing in federal court in Alexandria, Va.

<snip>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

The government indicted two more people today in the case of Larry Franklin. He is the former defense analyst accused of leaking classified information. According to the indictments, Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman, two former employees of a pro-Israeli lobbying group, were allegedly part of the plot. The charges were no surprise, but as NPR's Larry Abramson reports, they provide new details about how the three men allegedly conspired to influence US foreign policy.

http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/transcripts/2005/aug/050804.abramson







Analyst Charged With Passing Iran Info: Franklin Turned Self InTo FBI
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Former CIA official looks to leak the truth
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=886884
New Israeli spy probe has a 30-year history, insiders say
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FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=802725&mesg_id=802725

Israeli spy nest in the U.S. - Ashcroft says: ’Don’t arrest them!’
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Ashcroft Nixes Arrests in Israeli Spy Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=796806

Secrets: Classified Info: Springing a Leak
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x803017

FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802725

Spy Case Renews Debate Over Pro-Israel Lobby's Ties to Pentagon Cons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=804314

Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=783161

Pro-Israel Lobby Has Strong VoiceAIPAC Is Embroiled in Investigation
of Pe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=803035

Defense, Cheney Iran Specialists Questioned in (Israeli Spy) Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801031

Leak Inquiry Includes Iran Experts in Administration (WaPo)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801678

White House Learned of Spy Probe in 2001
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=800454

LAT: Israel Has Long Spied on US,Say Officials(but CIA, Mossad "intimate")
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798631


Wider FBI Probe Of Pentagon Leaks Includes Chalabi - WaPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798333

Serving Two Flags The Bush Neo-Cons and Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=799167

Israeli political advisor may have received U.S. secrets
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795817




Pentagon leaks connected to battle over Iran policy (this is big!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=797846

Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=796889

Alleged Pentagon Leak to Iraqi Is Under Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798060

Spy probe scans neo-cons' Israel ties (long article from Asia Times)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794029

AIPAC hires lawyers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794332

IAEA: No proof of secret Iran plan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=793930

WP: Spy Probe Expands/Linked to NSC Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795385

Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795432

U.S. Spy Probe Focuses on Two Lobbyists -Guardian
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794973



DO THE MATH
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