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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:42 AM
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!! Flood Experts Warned Dennis Hastert(R)That Fema Would Fail Floods
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 12:42 AM by Tinoire
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BREAKING NEWS:
FLOOD EXPERTS WARNED SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE DENNIS HASTERT(R)THAT FEMA WOULD FAIL IN FLOOD DISASTER WHILE UNDER DEPT OF HOMELAND SECURITY

I just found a January 2005 smoking gun letter from flood experts known as the Association of State Floodplain Managers written to Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert warning that FEMA had been dangerously weakened by being made part of the Department of Homeland Security.

http://www.floods.org

>Dedicated to reducing flood losses in the nation.<

"The Association of State Floodplain Managers is an organization of nearly 7,000
professionals involved in floodplain management, flood hazard mitigation, the National
Flood Insurance Program, flood preparedness, warning and recovery and the multi-objective
management of our nation's floodplains and waterways. ASFPM is a respected
voice in floodplain management practice and policy in the United States. It represents the
flood hazard specialists of local, state and federal government, the private sector, the
research community, the insurance industry, and the professional disciplines of
engineering, planning, hydrologic forecasting, emergency response, water resources, and
others."

http://www.floods.org/PDF/ASFPM_Letter_FEMAinDHS_House_Jan05.pdf

The letter reminds Hastert(R) that the General Accounting Office had warned that FEMA would be weakened under DHS back in September, 2003.

The letter also reminds Hastert that the House Judiciary Committee and House Transportation and Infrastructure Committees had agreed with the importance of FEMA staying independent of DHS to remain effective and recommended FEMA therefore be kept out of DHS.

The ASFPM letter describes exactly how FEMA was dismantled and buried under DHS:

"Since FEMA has become part of the Department of Homeland Security, it has been a
struggle. Funds have been raided, staff have been transferred into other DHS functions
without being replaced, slowdowns because of added layers of bureaucracy for nearly all
functions have dramatically increased, and there is the constant threat of reprogramming
appropriated funds."

"If FEMA is pulled apart, doesn’t have a direct link
to the President, and cannot communicate effectively with Congress, all of the progress
made over the last 15 years could be for naught."

THIS MEANS THAT THE GOP 'LEADERSHIP' IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MUCH OF THE LACK OF DISASTER PREPAREDNESS AND LOSS OF LIFE DUE TO STORM KATRINA BECAUSE THEY TOOK APART FEMA AND DIDN'T LISTEN TO WARNINGS OF THE CONSEQUENCES.

TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW.
--------------------------

(full transcript of letter to Dennis Hastert from pdf)


ASSOCIATION OF STATE FLOODPLAIN MANAGERS, INC.
2809 Fish Hatchery Road Madison, Wisconsin 53713
Ph: 608-274-0123
Fax: 608-274-0696
Website: www.floods.org
Email: asfpm@floods.org

Dedicated to reducing flood losses in the nation.

Chair
Chad Berginnis, CFM
Supervisor
Ohio DNR - Division Of Water
1939 Fountain Square, Bldg. E-3
Columbus, OH 43224
614-265-6715
Fax 614-447-9503
chad.berginnis@dnr.state.oh.us

Vice Chair
Pam Pogue, CFM
NFIP State Coordinator
Rhode Isl. Emerg Mgmt Agency
645 New London Ave.
Cranston, RI 02920
401-946-9996
Fax 401-944-1891
pam.pogue@ri.ngb.army.mil

Secretary
Rhonda Montgomery, CFM
NFIP State Coordinator
Kansas Dept. of Ag.- DWR
109 SW 9 th St., 2 nd Floor
Topeka, KS 66612
785-296-4622
Fax 785-296-4835
rmontgomery@kda.state.ks.us

Treasurer
William Nechamen, CFM
NFIP State Coordinator
New York State DEC
625 Broadway, 4th Floor
Albany, NY 12233
518-402-8146
Fax 518-402-9029
wsnecham@gw.dec.state.ny.us

Executive Director
Larry A. Larson, P.E., CFM
Executive Director
2809 Fish Hatchery Road
Madison, WI 53713
608-274-0123
Fax 608-274-0696
larry@floods.org


January 6, 2005
The Honorable Dennis Hastert, Speaker
United States House of Representatives
H 232 Capitol
Washington, DC 20515

RE: House Reorganization of Authorizing Committees involving FEMA programs
Dear Mr. Speaker:

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is one of the 22 departments and
agencies that were combined to create the Department of Homeland Security (DHS),
where the primary mission is to protect the nation against terrorism. The effectiveness of
FEMA's all hazards programs is increasingly threatened with regard to natural disasters.

As you are well aware, the Congress is in the process of reorganizing itself to better
consider homeland security issues. The Department of Homeland Security is now 2 years
old. As the organization of the DHS itself and Congressional reorganization are
considered, the Association of State Floodplain Managers (ASFPM) urges you to make
sure that natural hazards programs retain their integrity and, therefore, their effectiveness.

The Association of State Floodplain Managers is an organization of nearly 7,000
professionals involved in floodplain management, flood hazard mitigation, the National
Flood Insurance Program, flood preparedness, warning and recovery and the multi-objective
management of our nation's floodplains and waterways. ASFPM is a respected
voice in floodplain management practice and policy in the United States. It represents the
flood hazard specialists of local, state and federal government, the private sector, the
research community, the insurance industry, and the professional disciplines of
engineering, planning, hydrologic forecasting, emergency response, water resources, and
others.

FEMA, since its creation, had matured into an organization that became recognized for
effectiveness in carrying out its mission – preparing for, responding to, recovering from,
and mitigating against all hazards. Natural disasters are the most frequent and,
cumulatively, most costly disasters, including terrorist events. FEMA had established a
reputation for nimble responsiveness. This was closely related to the agency's capacity for
flexibility and especially well coordinated, genuine give-and-take partnerships with states
and localities. In addition to supporting responsiveness, these factors also allowed FEMA
to develop well conceived programs promoting hazard mitigation. Such programs sought
to permanently break the cycle, after a disaster event, of damage/rebuild/damage since
much of the recovery and repair costs were borne by taxpayers. After the terrorist attacks
on September 11 th and FEMA’s inclusion into the Department of Homeland Security, this
began to change.

----------------------------------
Page Two

The ASFPM has been concerned from the beginning that inclusion of FEMA in DHS
might not bode well for the progress the nation has made in reducing the nation’s risk to
natural hazards. We fully recognize the need for our national emphasis on terrorism;
however, the effectiveness of natural hazards programs and the all-hazards concept must
not be sacrificed in the process. Due to the sheer number magnitude of impact of natural
disasters, FEMA's work is more heavily focused on these events.

The ASFPM is not the only organization that has these concerns. The General Accounting
Office, in its September 2003 report, said the following:
Moreover, the placement of FEMA within DHS represents a substantially changed
environment in which FEMA will conduct its missions in the future, and missions
that focus on reducing the impacts of natural hazards, such as hazard mitigation
and flood insurance, may receive decreased emphasis. Sustained attention to
these programs will be needed to ensure they maintain or improve their
effectiveness in protecting the nation against, and reducing federal costs
associated with, natural disasters.

It should not be surprising that there is concern about FEMA’s organizational structure or
its loss of focus on a multi-hazard mission – it is merely a continuation of the debate that
began in Congress when DHS was created. The House Judiciary Committee and the
House Transportation and Infrastructure Committees had misgivings about the inclusion
of FEMA in DHS and both recommended that FEMA remain an independent agency to
preserve the traditional mission of FEMA. Also, a Brookings Institution analysis in 2002
raised concern that much of the progress FEMA has made over two decades could be
reversed.

Since FEMA has become part of the Department of Homeland Security, it has been a
struggle. Funds have been raided, staff have been transferred into other DHS functions
without being replaced, slowdowns because of added layers of bureaucracy for nearly all
functions have dramatically increased, and there is the constant threat of reprogramming
appropriated funds. Strongly felt worries about such matters led the ASFPM Board of
Directors, in August 2004, to pass a resolution recognizing FEMA’s accomplishments and
its challenges. The resolution calls for FEMA to be removed from the Department of
Homeland Security and for its ability to report directly to the President to be restored.
The Board, made up of state and local officials, felt strongly that FEMA doesn’t have to
be part of a larger agency to share its expertise and utilize its network of state and local
officials for all hazards management. If FEMA is pulled apart, doesn’t have a direct link
to the President, and cannot communicate effectively with Congress, all of the progress
made over the last 15 years could be for naught.

The Association of State Floodplain Managers recommends that
1) Congressional
reorganization for homeland security reflect attention to the importance of natural disaster
programs and policies and that
2) the Congress undertake an evaluation of the structure of
DHS and FEMA as it affects retention of an effective capacity for natural hazards
response and mitigation programs.
----------------------------------------------------------------

Page Three

Natural disasters impact Americans every single day. In 2004, 35 states had Presidentially
declared disasters – all as a result of natural hazards. Please do not allow the agency that
is in the forefront of dealing with these hazards to be made less effective or pulled apart
altogether. Please make certain that the Congressional structure reflects appropriate
attention to the frequency and the magnitude of impact of natural disasters. If you have
any questions or comments, do not hesitate to contact Larry Larson, ASFPM Executive
Director, or myself.

Respectfully,
Chad Berginnis, CFM
Chair
===

A friend, JohnOneillsMemory did this research and asks that we propagate this far and wide!
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:44 AM
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1. Recommended NT
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:45 AM
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2. What a find. Thanks for the letter. n/t
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:48 AM
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3. Wow! Get this plastered everywhere and email every journalist!
Great work!:thumbsup:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:51 AM
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4. but he just gave dixon illinois 2.5 million
from the road fund bill to build a riverfront walk on the rock river. actually denny has no power what so ever. he was chosen because he didn`t screw around on his wife and he was dumb enough to think he mattered. delay and rove pull his strings and that sums denny up...well by all accounts he was a decent guy when he was a teacher and wrestling coach...
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:21 AM
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22. And that's why I voted for him originally -
because he wasn't part of the established machine. It was refreshing to have someone who had actually lived life as an average joe, teaching school and being part of the community.

What is that quote about power corrupting absolutely? That's Denny's story unfortunately.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:53 AM
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5. .....
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:53 AM
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6. .....
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:56 AM
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7. 2006: Get Republicans Out. No more speaker Hastert.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 01:02 AM
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8. As long as we
are able to ban the vote stealing machines before 2006, Then we can get rid of hastert.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 01:06 AM
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9. Recommended! ...and sent to Keith Olberman (Countdown on MSNBC)
Ahhhh...I've been feeling so depressed. DOING something about all this, even if it is just forwarding this letter, HELPS!
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 01:43 AM
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11. I know! Have been mailing this left & right- Conyers, Mckinney, WHR.. n/t
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 02:17 AM
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13. How did you find it? And when?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 02:42 AM
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15. A friend who's an excellent researcher
His name is at the foot of the original post... He specifically asked me to post it here knowing people here would care and would know what to do with it. He sent it to me minutes before I posted it.
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no_arbusto Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 01:34 AM
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10. Close to home
I personally know, or have dealt with, most of the CFMs in this country. The ones I know personally are almost ALL Democrats.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 01:58 AM
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12. Smirking Gun -LIHOP- Money Earmarked for Evacuation -Never Happened
So many indications that the nightmare could have been avoided or at least lessened. They knew, it has happened before, and all of those people and animals have suffered and died because of a few lying, heartless, demons.

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Money Earmarked for Evacuation Redirected (read the whole article)


September 17, 2005 1:36 PM EDT


As far back as eight years ago, Congress ordered the Federal Emergency Management Agency to develop a plan for evacuating New Orleans during a massive hurricane, but the money instead went to studying the causeway bridge that spans the city's Lake Pontchartrain, officials say.



http://start.earthlink.net/article/nat?guid=20050917/432b94c0_3ca6_1552620050917-242948916

The outcome provides one more example of the government's failure to prepare for a massive but foreseeable catastrophe, said the lawmaker who helped secure the money for FEMA to develop the evacuation plan.



"They never used it for the intended purpose," said former Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La. "The whole intent was to give them resources so they could plan an evacuation of New Orleans that anticipated that a very large number of people would never leave."



In Hurricane Katrina's aftermath, attention has focused on the inability of local and federal officials to evacuate or prepare for the large number of poor people, many of them minorities, who had no access to transportation and remained behind.



That possibility was one of the concerns that led Congress in 1997 to set aside $500,000 for FEMA to create "a comprehensive analysis and plan of all evacuation alternatives for the New Orleans metropolitan area."

(snip)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 02:34 AM
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14. Another smoking gun. The drowning of New Orleans was deliberate.
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 02:36 AM by Nothing Without Hope
And re those school busses that WOlf Blitzer is always talking about as "proof" that Nagin and Blanco were responsible for not getting the people out of New Orleans in time? Guess what, another smoking gun: FEMA REFUSED TO LET THEM USE THE SCHOOL BUSSES BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT AIR-CONDITIONED. (!!!! :wtf: ) FEMA PROMISED HUNDREDS OF BUSSES TO TRANSPORT THE PEOPLE BUT THEY NEVER ARRIVED.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1788866
thread title: Blanco says feds pledged buses

There are more smoking guns. We need to collect them into a smoking gun thread.

RECOMMENDED. We need to push all the smoking guns, and this is definitely one of them. Thank you for posting this!
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 02:42 AM
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16. Wow, another smoking gun!!!
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 04:56 AM
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17. excellent
yes, lets get this out there...
thanx tinoire
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 05:06 AM
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18. Terrific find
They were warned. They should all be thrown out of office.
To think that his first response was that NOLA should not be rebuilt.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 05:18 AM
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19. Kick!
:kick:
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 05:35 AM
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20. Prima Facie or Prima Fascist! Keep this kicked!
the killers cannot continue.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:18 AM
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21. Not surprising - help our District vote for Hastert's opposition in 06
http://www.zamoraforcongress.org/

Rubin Zamora is running against Mr. Hastert and his machine here in Illinois' 14th District - please support his candidacy in any way you can.

BTW, I am not on Mr. Zamora's payroll or authorized to speak for him. I just know that it is time for the Hastert machine to wind down and go away.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:40 AM
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23. Kicked and nominated. n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 08:57 AM
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24. AND DON'T FORGET ABOUT HASTERT'S TURKISH BRIBES!!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:12 AM
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25. And Denny is on vacation!
Er, I mean "leading".

Speaker Hastert Heads to Scotland for G8 Meetings; Will Attend the G8 Speaker's Conference and Lead the International Community in a Prayer Service for Hurricane Katrina Victims

WASHINGTON, Sept. 16 /U.S. Newswire/ -- House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) will attend a summit of parliamentary leaders from the G8 countries in Glasgow, Scotland, over the weekend.

On Friday, September 16, Speaker Hastert will lead his fellow Speakers in a service of Prayer and Remembrance in recognizing the victims of Hurricane Katrina, heeding President Bush's call for a National Day of Prayer and Remembrance here in the United States.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=53475
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:58 AM
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26. There is no gettin rid of Denny boy.
Hastert is a HUGE cash cow for the Chicago suburb repubs. We are talkin BIG $$$



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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:13 AM
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27. Kick...and did anybody email CNN?
I think there is a email address specifically for news items, but all I can find on the CNN site is their feedback address (feedback@cnn.com). If anybody could post the news address it would be appreciated.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 03:10 PM
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28. FEMA was designed to protect the government from the American people
Don't think this Downing Street-type memo on FEMA weakness shows incompetence.

The people who died from FEMA's absence in Storm Katrina were killed by The Reagan Revolution against the American people who want peace, not permanent war.

History:
It's important to remember that FEMA wasn't designed to protect the American people. REAGAN AND OLIVER NORTH DESIGNED IT TO PROTECT THE GOVERNMENT FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. We are a militarily occupied nation just like Iraq.

FEMA was designed under California governor and then president Reagan to protect the government FROM 'WE THE PEOPLE.' FEMA was a police-state plan to round up anti-war protesters and "militant negroes" in a time of war as if they were enemies of the state exactly like the Japanese-Americans interned in camps in 1942.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAR402B.html

>snip<

FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies, the bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic. Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.

General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis."



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http://waynemadsenreport.com/

>snip<

A little history on FEMA: " When Ronald Reagan took
over the presidency in 1981 he named his old
California National Guard chief, retired General Louis
Giuffrida as his emergency czar. Giuffrida had a
tainted image as California's National Guard
commander. He drew up lists of 'militant negroes' who
were to be rounded up in emergencies. He designed
'Operation Cable Splicer,' which kept track of
political dissidents in California, especially
anti-Vietnam War protestors. When Giuffrida took over
at FEMA, he began to embark on similar projects. FEMA
began to store some 12,000 names it had obtained from
the FBI's domestic intelligence files. FBI Director
William Webster was so outraged at this interference
in FBI matters he forced FEMA to turn the list back to
the FBI. FEMA's surveillance lists may have included
at least 100,000 U.S.A. citizens that were assumed to
be potential threats to security. These included the
names of survivalists and tax protestors." -- Wayne
Madsen, Handbook of Personal Data Protection, Stockton
Press (NY) and Macmillan (London), 1992.
--------------------------------------------------

http://www.sanderhicks.com/fema.html

>snip<

FEMA's precursor was the California Specialized
Training Institute, a counterterrorism training center
started by then-Governor Ronald Reagan in 1971. Reagan
inaugurated the idea of utilizing the military and law
enforcement to combat dissent. He hired retired
National Guard General Louis O. Giuffrida to design
Operation Cable Splicer. The Cable Splicer plans were
martial law proposals to legitimize the arrest and
detention of anti-Vietnam war activists and other
political dissidents. At the Army War College in 1970,
Guiffrida had written a proposal that advocated the
roundup and transfer to relocation camps of at least
21 million "American Negroes" in the event of a
national uprising.

In 1983, at the annual meeting of the Academy of
Criminal Justice Sciences, FEMA's General Frank S.
Salcedo recommended expanding FEMA's power even
further. As he saw it at least 100,000 U.S. citizens,
from survivalists to tax protesters, were serious
threats to civil security. Salcedo saw FEMA's new
frontier as the protection of industrial and
government leaders from assassination, and the
protection of civil and military installations from
sabotage or attack. Notable for stations such as this
one, Salcedo warned against dissident groups gaining
access to U.S. opinion or a global audience in times
of crisis.

FEMA and the Department of Defense began a continuing
tradition of biannual joint exercises to test civilian
mobilization, civil security emergency and
counterterrorism plans. The Rex-84 Alpha Explan
(Readiness Exercise 1984, Exercise Plan), showed that
FEMA lead 34 other federal agencies, including CIA,
FBI, and US Treasury, in a massive civil readiness
exercise. It was conducted in coordination with "Night
Train 84", a worldwide military command post exercise,
based on multi-emergency scenarios operating both
abroad and at home.

The exercises envisioned that the previously mentioned
100,000 U.S. citizens, labelled "national security
threats" would be rounded up and thrown into
concentration camps.

>snip<

more...
---------------------------------------

JACK ANDERSON
1984 United Feature Syndicate, Inc.
weekly special


DRAFT LEGISLATION WOULD SUSPEND CONSTITUTION IN AN
EMERGENCY

WASHINGTON-Attorney General William French Smith
recently voiced his alarm at Federal Emergency
Management Agency Director Louis Giuffrida's proposal
to crown himself the nation's "emergency czar" in the
event of war or natural disaster.

Smith's legal and constitutional sensibillities were
offended by the thought of the civil defense agency
usurping the powers of Cabinet-level departments,
emergency or not.

But the attorney general will be positively stunned
when he learns of Giuffrida.s latest plan. It would
suspend the Constitution and give the president as
much arbitrary power as Hitler or Stalin ever
exercised.

This blueprint for autocracy is in the form of
"standby" legislation drafted by FEMA's eager
empire-builders. That means it won't be submitted to
Congress in advance--when its drastic provisions would
certainly spark debate and draw opposition from
conservatives and civil libertarians alike.

Instead, it is intended to be held on "standby" until
an emergency arises. Then a panicky Congress will
presumably be ready to abdicate its responsibilities
under the Constitution and vote for a dictatorship.

Our associates Donald Goldberg and Indy Badhwar have
seen the draft legislation, which would be titled
disingenously the Defense Resources Act. Here are some
of the specific outrages:

-Private property would be effectively abolished. Real
estate and personal belongings "that shall be deemed
necessary for national defense purposes" would be
confiscated by the government. And there'd be no
haggling or taking it to court.

"Upon or after filing the condemnation petition," the
standby legislation reads, "immediate possession may
be taken and the property may be occupied." There goes
your house. There goes your car. There goes the
neighborhood.

-The bureaucrats at FEMA want to nationalize the means
of production. If a factory owner proves reluctant to
turn out what the bureaucrats dictate, the president
"may take immeidate possession of such plant, mine or
facility and operate it for the production of such
materials or services as may be necessary."

-Just to be fair, FEMA proposes nationalizing labor as
well. The government would be empowered to set limits
on the number of employees in any type of work, and in
fact restrict workers to "activities essential to the
national health, safety or interest."

And if anyone lies to a federal bureaucrat about the
availability of manpower, it'll rate either a $10,000
fine or a one-year hitch in the gulag. The right to
strike will, of course, be revoked. Violators will be
declared felons in the same class as those who try to
overthrow the government.
---------------------------------------------

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/FEMA_WC_JVW.ht...

>snip<

Meanwhile, in cooperation with the Pentagon and
various federal and local police agencies, CSD engaged
in a series of national training exercises -- "Proud
Saber/Rex-82, "Pre-Nest," and "Rex-84/Night Train,"
etc. -- in preparation for a suspension of the
constitution in case of massive domestic political
turmoil. The exercises envisioned "at least 100,000"
U.S. citizens, identified as "national security
threats" being rounded up and thrown into
concentration camps for unspecified periods.

Simultaneously, FEMA was opening files on the U.S.
activists who would comprise those interned whenever
the exercise plans were put into "real world"
practice. This last placed FEMA in direct conflict
with the FBI, precipitating a power struggle in which
Bureau Director William Sessions ultimately prevailed,
compelling Giuffrida to turn over the more than 12,000
political dossiers his agency had already assembled.

--------------------------------------------

Do you really need anymore information than this to see that 'We the People' are considered enemies of the state?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 03:22 PM
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29. There's much more
CIA whistleblower warned in 1987 of FEMA and Central American wars

"Reuters: Cheney slips up in Austin 9/10/05. Calls Katrina "an exercise.""

"I think we are in fact on our way to getting on top of the whole Katrina exercise," he said, but added, "we've got a lot of work ahead of us obviously."


Excercise Mr Cheney? Just what are you trying to tell us? Taken in conjunction with the 3/3/2005: Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005' that's to take effect 1 Ocotber 2005 & the very sudden, convenient Supreme Court Ruling on Eminent Domain, one must really wonder just how much you slipped up there.
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buzzsaw_23 Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:16 PM
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34. It's all connected
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 11:17 PM by buzzsaw_23
Go Here: The Revolving Door of Corporate Corruption in New Orleans Reconstruction 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4815690

A few months after Allbaugh was hired by Halliburton, the company retained another high-level Bush appointee, Kirk Van Tine.

Van Tine registered as a lobbyist for Halliburton six months after resigning as deputy transportation secretary, a position he held from December 2003 to December 2004.

On Friday, Kellogg Brown & Root received $29.8 million in Pentagon contracts to begin rebuilding Navy bases in Louisiana and Mississippi. Norcross said the work was covered under a contract that the company negotiated before Allbaugh was hired.

Halliburton continues to be a source of income for Cheney, who served as its chief executive officer from 1995 until 2000 when he joined the Republican ticket for the White House. According to tax filings released in April, Cheney's income included $194,852 in deferred pay from the company, which has also won billion-dollar government contracts in Iraq.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9282533


New Bridge Strategies, LLC is a unique company that was created specifically with the aim of assisting clients to evaluate and take advantage of business opportunities in the Middle East following the conclusion of the U.S.-led war in Iraq. Its activities will seek to expedite the creation of free and fair markets and new economic growth in Iraq, consistent with the policies of the United States Government. The opportunities evolving in Iraq today are of such an unprecedented nature and scope that companies seeking to work in that environment must have the very best advice and guidance available. The New Bridge Strategies team has been carefully constructed to fill that need



Although New Bridge Strategies is a new company, the principals of our company are seasoned veterans in dealing with foreign countries and commerce. A listing of people who make New Bridge Strategies your bridge to success in Iraq is below.

Joe M. Allbaugh, Chairman and Director
Joe M. Allbaugh is the CEO of The Allbaugh Company, LLC, a Washington, D.C.-based corporate strategy and counsel firm. A native of Oklahoma, Joe served as the Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) under President George Bush until March 2003. Prior to moving to Washington, D.C., he was Chief of Staff to then-Governor Bush of Texas and was the National Campaign Manager for the Bush-Cheney 2000 presidential campaign

http://www.newbridgestrategies.com/index.asp

So let's just change the company name to the whole multi-tentacles octopus and take that one paragraph sales pitch and cross out all the Iraqs and substitute New Orleans and see how it makes us feel:

The Allbaugh Company-New Bridge Strategies, LLC-Blackwell Fairbanks is a unique company that was created specifically with the aim of assisting clients to evaluate and take advantage of business opportunities in the Middle East American Southeast following the conclusion of the U.S.-led war in Iraq Hurricane Katrina. Its activities will seek to expedite the creation of free and fair markets and new economic growth in Iraq New Orleans, consistent with the policies of the Bush Administration. The opportunities evolving in Iraq New Orleans today are of such an unprecedented nature and scope that no other existing firm has the necessary skills and experience to be effective both in Washington, D.C. and on the ground in Iraq New Orleans.


http://www.kathryncramer.com/kathryn_cramer/2005/09/private_contrac.html


The problem goes back to when the powers, beauties, and deep knowledges of the age-old women's traditions were supplanted by military-caste mystiques & the accumulation of heavy metals

From d.a. levy
"Really"
                     the police try to protect
                     the banks - and everything else
                     is secondary"

nominated
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 05:49 PM
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30. "New Orleans electricity turned ON for Bush, OFF when he leaves."

Here's evidence the electricity is being kept off in New Orleans
on purpose, just like in Iraq. Note the 'I hate to
imply something bad about the emperor'-tone of the
MSNBC corporate spokesmodel when he writes "I
am duty-bound to report..." Oh, brave fellow,
sacrificing the king's favor to bring us a scrap of
truth from the great table of lies.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8045532

"I am duty-bound to report the talk of the New Orleans
warehouse district last night: there was rejoicing
(well, there would have been without the curfew, but
the few people I saw on the streets were excited) when
the power came back on for blocks on end. Kevin
Tibbles was positively jubilant on the live update
edition of Nightly News that we fed to the West Coast.
The mini-mart, long ago cleaned out by looters, was
nonetheless bathed in light, including the empty,
roped-off gas pumps. The motorcade route through the
district was partially lit no more than 30 minutes
before POTUS drove through.

And yet last night, no more than an hour after the
President departed, the lights went out. The entire
area was plunged into total darkness again, to audible
groans. It's enough to make some of the folks here who
witnessed it... jump to certain conclusions.

It is impossible to over-emphasize the extent to which
this area is under government occupation, and portions
of it under government-enforced lockdown. Police cars
rule the streets. They (along with Humvees,
ambulances, fire apparatus, FEMA trucks and all
official-looking SUVs) are generally not stopped at
checkpoints and roadblocks. All other vehicles are
subject to long lines and snap judgments and must
PROVE they have vital business inside the vast
roped-off regions here. If we did not have the
services of an off-duty law enforcement officer, we
could not do our jobs in the course of a work day and
get back in time to put together the broadcast and get
on the air. As we are about to do."
---------

keep this kicked
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:08 PM
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31. Excellent work!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:13 PM
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32. The Great Big REPUBLICAN COVER UP!!!
Homeland Security has been a dismal failure and Byrd predicted this!!!
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:34 PM
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33. Kick!
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:24 PM
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35. Denny boy, you've got some serious explaining to do.
First Turkeygate, now this.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:12 AM
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36. kick to everyone you know and the media
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:47 AM
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37. This is very scary.
How can they continue to get away with shit like this??? Or is it finally catching up to them and we all have to suffer. This is unreal! I am deeply disturbed by this.

Kicked, recommended and sent far and wide.

Thanks for posting.

Peace
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:56 AM
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38. Great post, Tinoire!
Thanks for the information.

So good to see you! :-) :hug: :loveya:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x4026770

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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:18 PM
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39. kick the war criminal club into the hague
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