usually I agree with the top 10 conservative idiots

[davidinalameda]

but I have voice my concern about one of them--Charles Grissom

the band director from Texas who used the Nazi song in a half time show on the Jewish New Year.

I'm not quite sure if this is in the same league as Rush and Ahnuld or even Ed Meese, who appears to be ready for the retirement home.

This could have been a error of judgment or just plain stupidity. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm sure there are others out there who are far more deserving of this honor than Mr. Grisson

[Selwynn]

1. I agree - it was moronic, but I'm not sure it was malicious (nt)

[sangh0]

2. Why Dems lose

Because we spend too much time worrying about whether or not we did the right thing, and in the process we weaken our message.

You never hear the Repukes asking each other "Gee, do you think maybe it was wrong to go after Clinton for this?"

[Selwynn]

5. It's also why we're better than Republicans

I don't agree with your premise that its why we lose, but even if it was, having a conscience is a good thing.

We are seeing RIGHT NOW what goverment looks like when it is run by UNAPOLOGETIC people who don't GIVE A DAMN and don't care whether they were wrong or not. This is what it looks like. It's a shame your so eager to encourage that attitude for our party.

There are more important thigns than winning - especially if in winning you become everything that you hate. The purpose of winning is to continue to stand for what is right with authority. If you sacrifice everything that is right on the way to winning, what difference does winning make?

Our greatest STRENGTH is that we CARE about the conseqences of our decisions.

[sangh0]

8. A good example of why Dems lose

You might be having a moral stuggle with this, but I see no problem whatsoever with pointing out what a great, big, conservative IDIOT this moran was for flying a Nazi flag, and I don't have to "sacrifice everything that is right" or even gaze at my navel to do so.

[youngred]

10. So what?

I happen to think that kind of questioning benefits us in being right. It's fine to be an ideological whore who sees the world in black and white, right and wrong. But I'd rather look for shades of grey before denouncing someone.

That is most assuredly not the case here, but the point about message remains the same

[sangh0]

12. The important point is

as you say "That is most assuredly not the case here"

Bush could rape a child on network TV, and you can be sure there'll be someone asking "Is it right to attack Bush* for this? Maybe it's just a mistake in judgement?"

Basically, you're arguing that I'm the one pushing an extreme position. To me it seems the opposite, and it's the people who think that EVERY criticism MUST BE questioned who are the extremists.

We got a Nazi song
We got a Nazi flag

This ain't rocket science!

[youngred]

15. Please

I'm not saying you're pushing an extreme opinion (but why do you think that?). BTW your example is a mite extreme, even and especially many conservatives would attack him should that happen, being ludicrous doesn't make a point

I'm just saying I personally find it better that we question and think about things before rushing into partisan games on an issue. Thinking before action.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. If the display seemed to glorify the crusades on Christmas day

would people still feel the same?

This could have been a error of judgment or just plain stupidity. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Hence the name Top 10 Conservative Idiots

[bloom]

4. I think the nazi flags put it over the top and deservedly on the list

One might MISTAKE playing a song the Nazis liked or something. Nobody mistakes the flag. I think he deserves the shame.

[Selwynn]

7. On second reflection

The title is "conservative idiots" - don't know if the guy was conservative, but this was definately indescribably idiotic.

What kind of person in their right mind things that busting out a Nazi flag -- ever -- is gonna be a good call?

[sangh0]

9. Give a third try, selwynn

and this time ask yourself "Do I really think it was a LIBERAL that flew that Nazi flag?"

[SlavesandBulldozers]

6. no, actually

the band organizer was so stupid he thought that a marching nazi parade was going to be a big hit. That's the same kind of conservative ignorance that has Arnie saying Hitler was a good organizer. Hell, i don't know why the band leader stopped there, they could have had a halftime book-burning. . . but alas I guess the crowd just wasn't illuminated enough to get any of it after all.

[bambo53]

11. It's so stupid it's hilarious

Remember the Mel Brooks movie "Springtime for Hitler"? I still laugh till I cry over that movie.
It's unfortunate that we get so caught up in PC that we forget to laugh.

[jmowreader]

14. The Producers--excellent movie!

Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder, who are both as Jewish as they come, walking down the street wearing Nazi armbands. In New York!

Quick question: who do you think was funnier, LSD (the burnt-out hippie who played Hitler) or Franz Liebchen, the Nazi who ran on stage to protest how LSD played his hero?

"The Fuehrer was good! The Fuehrer was kind!"

"Don't be stupid, be a smartie. Come and join the Nazi Party!"

"Churchill! Churchill was no painter! Hitler, now he was a painter. He could paint a whole apartment in one afternoon! Two coats!"

Now, that movie was the mark of a twisted mind.

(Ever notice there are always two people in any Mel Brooks movie--Brooks and Hitler?)

[youngred]

16. Brooks and Hitler?

Yes I see so much Hitler in Blazing Saddles, Young Frankenstein and History of the World Part I (sans the last 15 seconds).

And yes, The Producers is a work of comedic masterpiece, and the play's not half bad either

[Ohio Dem]

13. I heard the opponent high school

was from one of Texas's largest Jewish communities. I don't know if that is true, but if it is it makes me question that assclown's motives even more.

[coda]

17. Yep.

I'd give him the benefit of the doubt also.

Sounds kind of artsy(in a band director kind of way:-) ) to me. Visions of WWII through music.


Obviously people didn't get it, but when viewed in context....


" The show also includes the flags and music of France, Britain, Japan and the United States. The flags were raised in intervals that corresponded with the music of the nations. "


...how could anyone mistake one part of a larger program as sympathizing with Nazis? Looking further, I didn't glean any comments of outrage over Japan's flag and music being played.


Mark Briskman, regional director for the Anti-Defamation League, said his organization received many calls and e-mails expressing shock "that in 2003, this type of insensitivity would occur."

"This can serve as an educational tool that there are certain tools and certain symbols that still carry ... an amount of hurt," Briskman said. "It was a mistake, and they've apologized for it, and we basically accept their apology."


:eyes: Anyone remember the last time somebody apologized for being oversensitive? If anyone is owed an apology, it's band members and the coaches that had crap hurled at them.


Teaching music is Grissoms life's work, but in an attempt to share some of that, Grissom clearly had no idea that a football crowd in Dallas, Texas would get misunderstand a program that was clearly defined as "Visions of WWII" as seen through music and not in any way a nod to Nazis.

Obviously the Dallas Football Crowd®™, aren't the only ones who don't get it.

The F***ing crowd threw crap at kids (kids, damn it!) in the band and coaches, because this Dallas Football Crowd®™ was too stupid to appreciate the difference between a Nazi parade and a clearly defined music program. But hey, let's scapegoat the band director.

Great 'mercans, all. :shrug: