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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:20 AM
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Mea Culpa... I voted for George Ryan
I am ashamed to say that, when I lived in Illinois, I voted for this guy... for Illinois secretary of state. I was favorably impressed by how easy it was to get a driver's license there and voted to retain him. I should have known better. Even when Republicans are competent, they are likely to be corrupt:

http://www.ksdk.com/news/illinois_article.aspx?storyid=84943


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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:26 AM
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1. A Lot Of Democrats Voted For Him in '98
Gays and many others didn't like the Democratic candidate Glenn Poshard. He seemed like a good old man...my wife couldn't vote for Poshard and voted third party...I voted Poshard.

Ironically, information about Ryan's role in the drivers license scandal was known before that election and withheld until after Ryan won.

The silly thing about Ryan is what a good Democrat he turned into. He went to Cuba and visited Castro, raised the state minimum wage and suspended the death penatly.

Bottom line is this crook and his zeal for power and cash corrupted one of the most critical offices to the safety of all residents in this state. His corruption directly led to the deaths of several people who were killed in traffic accidents by those who bought their licenses for a political bribe. Then, Ryan fought to cover up and stonewall the investigation. Hope he gets what he deserves.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:33 AM
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2. Ugh. I know the Ryan family. His brother Tom was a pharmacist
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 11:34 AM by in_cog_ni_to
in a medical building I worked in. My friend had a business and it was in one of Ryan's sons buildings...they own real estate here too. His wife is one of my husband's patients. My son has a friend and his MOM dated George Ryan's son (she thinks the family is just peachy keen, of course :eyes:) They're from Kankakee. My friend who had the business in one of Ryan's buildings, started a Synthetic engine oil business with her brother. She was campaigning for Ryan because he PROMISED HER AND HER BROTHER that they would get ALL the State business for synthetic engine oil. State Police cars, State official's cars, etc... Did that ever happen? LOL! Hell NO! She and her brother fell for their bullshit, hook line and sinker. They never got a state contract. The Ryan family has been all too powerful in this state and my county and it's high time they're gone. I wonder if his son was involved in any dirty deals?
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:34 AM
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3. I'll always think well of him....
he may be a crook, and if so, he should go to jail, but, as I wrote in my newspaper column back in Jan. 2003, "Ryan WIll Be Counted A Hero."

www.cumberlink.com/articles/2003/01/16/editorial/rich_lewis/lewis01.txt
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:37 AM
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4. For that, he deserves kudos. IF you're talking about the death penalty?
Your link didn't work. ;)
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:49 AM
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7. I know, the newspaper's site is down this morning....
here's the column:

Ryan will be counted a hero

By Rich Lewis January 16, 2003

Bill Clinton infuriated the nation as he left office in January 2001 by pardoning 140 people, some of whom, such as financier Marc Rich, obviously were rewarded for making fat political contributions or paying the right people to lobby on their behalf.

Clinton had, indeed, brought disgrace upon a power that should be reserved for making important statements about justice and healing — and not to pay off privileged cronies.

In other words, the power and its variants should be used in exactly the way that outgoing Illinois Gov. George Ryan used it last week.

Just two days before his term expired, Ryan announced he was granting clemency to 167 inmates who were facing execution. They would, instead, serve life sentences without the possibility of parole.

In a lengthy and emotional speech, Ryan correctly called the death penalty issue "one of the great civil rights struggles of our time."

His own change of heart was dramatic. When sworn into office four years earlier, he had been "a firm believer in the... death penalty" because he believed it was administered "in a just and fair manner."

But it had become clear to him that the system of capital punishment "is haunted by the demon of error."

He recounted the story of Anthony Porter, freed from jail just 48 hours before he was to be ritually killed by the state for a crime he did not commit. A team of students, teachers and lawyers from Northwestern University had proven Porter's innocence — one of 17 such cases nationally in recent years.

In the end, Ryan said, the system is "immoral" and he would no longer be content to "tinker with the machinery of death."

Instead, he would simply stop the 167 killings over which he had power.

Ryan acknowledged that his decision would draw "ridicule, scorn and anger from many who oppose this decision." And it has. But it was a public act of moral courage rarely seen these days.

The truth is, as the Washington Post recently reported, the death penalty is in decline. Thirty-eight states — including Pennsylvania — have it on the books, but only 13 used it in 2002, fewer than in any year since 1993.

Of the 71 convicts killed last year, 33 died in Texas alone. Only three executions took place outside the South — in California, Ohio and Missouri.

As the Post wrote, capital punishment "should have been banned long ago," but its "continued marginalization" to just a few states suggests it gradually may disappear. Ryan's defiance will be assailed as an outrageous act of ego — how dare one man put his convictions ahead of the will of the people? — but in the long run it will be regarded as a watershed moment in the struggle to end this barbaric practice.

Ryan eventually will be deemed a hero, as will all who stand against the death penalty while it is still "unpopular" to do so.

As for Pennsylvania, I am ashamed that my home state is among the death penalty states. Three convicts have been executed here since 1995, and 244 are now on death row.

On Tuesday Gov.-elect Ed Rendell said he has no plans to review the death-penalty system here. He said he has seen "no evidence" it is flawed.

That conclusion is wrong both philosophically and in fact.

Philosophically, it reminds me of a visit I made to the doctor many years ago. He asked whether I had any illnesses or chronic conditions. I said no.

Then he asked, "Do you smoke?" and when I answered yes, he said, "Then you are sick."

What he meant, of course, was that smoking in itself is a sickness, whether or not I chose to call it such.

The death penalty is just like that — it is flawed in its very nature, evil because of what it is — not because of how it's used.

But Rendell is wrong to believe it is even being used here without problems.

On Tuesday a federal appeals court ruled that George Banks should be removed from Pennsylvania's death row because he had received an unfair sentencing hearing.

The problem was with the jury instructions given in the 1980s, when Banks, who murdered 13 people, was sentenced.

The flawed instructions were used in about 30 cases and may have led to the imposition of the death penalty in some cases where jury members did not unanimously agree, which is required by law.

It's a small mistake — if anything that could result in unjustified state-sanctioned murder can be called "small" — but it's just another example of how the system is "haunted by the demon of error."
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:53 AM
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9. that link is working now...
n/t
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:05 PM
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15. flowomo
Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
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Thank you.


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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:54 PM
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16. this is my column....
I wrote it and have reprint permissions from The Sentinel.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:44 AM
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6. Hero? Hardly
He was shamed into suspending the dealth penalty by the work of some very dedicated Northwestern University students. The original moritorium was only temporary as he "investigated" if there had been wrongful deaths committed by the state; not that he himself thought the concept was morally wrong. He never has really been clear on that. I think he was more concerned about the legal problems that these wrongful deaths had created. Then, when he found it was getting some popular publicity, then he became a "true believer".

Incognito...I've heard many stories about the Ryan family. They controlled everything in Kankakee County. I suspect we'll be getting to know the family again...via court transcripts in the months ahead.

Cheers...
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:52 AM
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8. The motive and "true" meaning are irrelevant....
Ryan captured national headlines with that move.... and a hell of a lot of others with a lot more reason to block state-sanctioned murder, including George Bush, did nothing. He did the right thing.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:03 PM
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11. Right Thing Yes, Hero No
Again, his "mea culpa" was due to the work of students who found several cases of death row inmates who were wrongly convicted...Ryan was shamed to put the moritorium in place. Yep, it got national headlines, but it also keep the news of his scandals that resulted in the death of a family of 4 from moving forward.

This wasn't the actions of a man of principal, this was politically expedient.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:02 PM
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13. The death penalty issue is a major one.
The Democrats haven't had the guts to do what Ryan did. They cannot really cut down someone who has acted against the death penalty when they lack the courage to stop killing America's own citizens. There's mroe to being a Democrat than just registering. One needs to oppose killing.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:16 PM
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14. And It Costs Elections...
Pick your poison, my friend.

First, Ryan never ran on eliminating the death penalty...it wasn't even a campaign issue.

Several years earlier the state executed John Wayne Gacy...a true monster to society. We can discuss the merits of putting this monster to death or not and the right of the state to determine life or death, but this is not the issue of this thread.

In many areas, some form of capital punishment is accepted and popular with a majority of the voting electorate. It's not the hair-trigger crap like in Texas, but in extreme cases like a Gacy or BCCI or whatever the Kansas killer...true social psycopaths who are beyond rehabilitation and are a true threat in an open society.

Now...be assured the Repugnicans will not be swayed on this issue. It's as bedrock as they come...and it would be a shame to lose a House race or a seat to a wingnut...a vote against continuing this evil invasion, the plundering of the economy and all else the boooosh regime is pillaging upon us, based on an issue that best be addressed on a state basis, not on a national one.

Cheers...
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:40 AM
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5. At least he had the courage to put a moratorium on the...
executing people on death row in Illinois. He had to be aware that this made him a lot of enemies, but he still did it. I've often wondered whether the corruption charges would ever have been filed if he hadn't done this; was this punishment by his new enemies? (I don't know the timeline on this because I'm not from Illinois, so this may be totally off-base.)
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:01 PM
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10. I voted for him, too.
I forget precisely why I didn't like Poshard but as I joked at the time, if you have to choose between two republicans, choose the one who admits it.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:41 PM
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12. There were a LOT of Dems who voted for Ryan over Poshard.
Poshard was anti choice, and it really hurt him with the female voters and the dedicated progressives. I was looking at those election returns just recently and you would be horrified if you knew how many Dems crossed over in that one race.

Frankly, if I'm running vote projections on any given race, I use Poshard as the low mark for Dem support. If you want to now how many "ham sandwich" Dems there are (people who'd vote for a ham sandwich if it had a D next to it) Poshard's vote totals are the ones to look at.

I wouldn't beat myself up over much on that one vote for Ryan if I was you, Lucky...



Laura
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