Dean was just on CNN. He just gets better and better. His message

[lindashaw]

gets sharper, every time I hear him.

[robsul82]

1. He looked so...

...*gosh*...presidential! ;)

Later.

RJS

[gully]

2. He ROCKED!

He is not afraid to say what needs to be said. I hope his 'prediction' was right.

[Closer]

5. What was his prediction

for those of us who missed?

[lindashaw]

9. That the recall would fail.

[Ripley]

12. Recall will fail was his "prediction."

He made an excellent point about the conservative right wingers making a habit of this...impeachment, supreme court not counting votes, Texas redistricting and now recall.

[TheDonkey]

3. I was happy he didn't stumble over words much

He had control and Miles wasn't too hard on him too so he didnt have to be defensive. He did a good job, but he still seems to blink awkwardly?!

Does anyone notice this or is it just me?

[Evanstondem]

4. Probably it's just you

Since you're no fan of Dean's.

[robsul82]

7. Just you...

...stumbling over words is DEAN'S problem, considering who we're trying to oust from office here.

Later.

RJS

[AP]

16. I noticed it too. When he appeared in CA with Davis a couple weeks ago,

he was incredibly stiff and, when he spoke, he stumbled over a critical word. I can't remember the sentence. But the word he stumbled on, if he had forgotten it, would have made the sentence mean the exact opposite thing he was trying to say. I was like, "you almost forgot THAT word!! Wow, that's real sincerity you're showing there, bud!"

Does anyone have a clip of that? I'd love to see it again.

[madfloridian]

18. It is incredibly rude to post a thread like this with negative comments.

We were bragging on our candidate, and you just could not stand it. He did an excellent job. This is just unreal that you feel you have to do this.

I have said over and over only good things about Edwards. I would think you could be the same way about our candidate.

[Closer]

22. I agree madfloridian

But then again, I'm not surprised, considering the source.

[AP]

I'm just saying the truth. Do you remember his thing with Davis?

I really think Dean has a slight problem with presentation, and I think that's the reason you feel the need to brag about him like this.

If you're really afraid that he's got the comfort problem speaking, and you feel the need to offset it with a little puffery, it's really outrageous for you to act shocked when someone chimes in with a little perspective.

Furthermore, the allegation here is that he's getting better. You need me to point out that he was bad once to make the allegation that he's better true, right?

[madfloridian]

28. I thought posts with words like "puffery" might be insulting in GD now.

Actually, none of our candidates are perfect speakers. If I thought for one minute you were truly being complimentary, that would be one thing.

I can brag if I wish, and I can criticize him if I wish, unless I am irritating someone else.

I thought the new GD rules meant we could have a discussion about our candidate without being jumped on.

The way I see the other candidates right now is through the eyes of their supporters. I don't want to, but the constant hammering on this board is ridiculous.

Start a post in Politics to talk about how puffery we are, ok?

[AP]

30. "puffery" is actually a legal term

and I think it pretty accurately describes what this thread is about.

And when you engage in puffery, I think you immediately open the door to all the evidence that contradicts the evidence being used to support the puffery.

[madfloridian]

36. Puffery, definition of....

"Flattering, often exaggerated praise and publicity, especially when used for promotional purposes...."

I think it is ok for us to do this in a thread we started. There is just one problem, Dean was outstanding......and you can not stand that he was.

Puffery is exaggerating.....we were not exaggerating.

Shame on you.

[Evanstondem]

32. I hope you're the exception among Edwards supporters

Edwards has been one of the more civilized candidates, and I'm hoping that most of his supporters might follow his lead. I am a Dean backer but I have made only positive postings about Edwards.

[AP]

35. I should include a disclaimer in my posts..

...I do not speak for John Edwards.

But, just because I have the Edwards logo doesn't mean I check my honesty at the login page.

I'm being totally honest. I find Dean's delivery stilted. And I thought he did stumble over a crucial word when he was with Davis, and I don't think he seemed all that comfortable with Davis.

[madfloridian]

37. I don't give a rats *** what your opinion of Dean is.

I don't jump on Edwards post where he is being pufferized, and say something negative.

You could just have let this thread alone. He did a really good job, and you are being very obvious.

[AP]

38. I wouldn't be upset if you did jump into an Edwards puffery (or any...

candidate, for that matter) thread.

So long as you were being honest.

I didn't say he did a bad job today. I said he did a bad job a couple weeks ago, which seems to be in line with the claim here about him getting better.

What's wrong with honesty?

[Cha]

50. This poster "can never leave a thread alone" as far as Dean

is concerned ..he always jumps on with Negative squeaks ..so much so that he has lost all credibility, IMO. I perceive he attacks because Dean is ahead!

And btw! I'm so glad Dean is doing so Well! :kick:

[Evanstondem]

40. You might be right about the Davis appearance

The whole recall circus is strange and uncomfortable. I wouldn't have felt comfortable appearing with Davis.

I just don't see how your opinion of Dean's delivery is useful information to anyone. I dislike some things about Edwards, but I don't drop into pro-Edwards threads to share that information with his supporters.

[AP]

41. If you're being honest, you shouldn't be afraid to share your opinion.

How is my information useful? Because it's the truth.

[madfloridian]

47. NO, puffery is exaggerated praise.

Dean did well, thus we are not committing the act of puffery.

[Evanstondem]

54. Opinion does not equal truth.

Suppose my opinion is that we don't need another slick-talking Southern lawyer running for President. How helpful would that "truth" be if it's dropped into the middle of a pro-Edwards thread?

[AP]

56. The part that was the truth was....

...that when Dean appeared with Davis, he was stiff and awkward, that he almost left out a crucial word in his sound-bite, and that, when I heard it, I thought, man, that wasn't very smooth.

[Chomskyite]

49. Question:

Have you ever seen Bush speak?

[AP]

52. To win, the Democratic nominee has to be twice as good because he or she

will have half the money, and the media won't be the Democrat's side in the least.

We don't need to run someone who's racing for the bottom to be just a little better than Bush. We need someone who is the best person running who's twice as good as Bush.

How much better of a speaker would you say Gore was, compared to Bush? Was he 50% better? 75% better? Gore needed to be twice as good as CLINTON if he was going to overcome all the shit Bush had on his side.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

10. *cough*

[tom_paine]

19. Damn, Rummy...thanks for the tip of the hat!

I clicked on your sig line out of curiosity.

(I had forgotten that comment)

Glad you liked it. Now let's see if that Feisty Little Bastard can keep it up and win the nomination!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

33. Lol.

Sometimes, in our off-hand moments, our descriptive abilities are able to capture the essence.





*

[madfloridian]

11. See! We were not going after other candidates.

This is what this board has become. I knew someone would pull this stuff.
Shame on you!!!

[Name removed]

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[Julien Sorel]

20. You have to be kidding me?

Every single Clark thread is overrun by Republican's Choice supporters slamming away, using every tactic and smear they can dig up.

Someone mildly insulted Republican's Choice's speaking abilities, and you immediately go into a tizzy. Take a look on this board, and then complain.

[madfloridian]

21. Not kidding.

You are so rude all the time I had you on ignore. Back you go.

[Julien Sorel]

24. The pain is overwhelming.

[Closer]

25. And so is the immaturity of your posts.

[Julien Sorel]

27. Ouch!

Another painful barb. Whatever will I do against such wit.

[Name removed]

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[Julien Sorel]

34. Actually, the phrase 'Republican's Choice'

refers to the fact that Dean is the preferred candidate of Republicans and their strategists, not for the Rockefeller Republican nature of his positions, although that, too, would qualify him. As I've said before, there is absolutely nothing worse than to have Republicans cheering your candidacy on -- it is the lowest of the low. If Dean had any self-respect or sense of honor -- which his frequent lying, and campaign that consists of empty slogans clearly demonstrate he does not -- he would withdraw from the race and go back to Vermont in shame.

Instead, we have to be subjected to his mindless rhetoric, endure the risk that he will win the nomination and lose every southern state, and the fanatic, irrational ill-will of his followers. But it's a democracy still, so one must respect the man's right to run.

[Pastiche423]

39. As a Democrat

I find a candidate that praises whistle ass et al, is the lowest of the low.

[sfecap]

42. Self respect?

Gee...Clark raises money for rethugs, calls the bush cabal his friends, and praises bush...

LOL.

Perhaps he needs to find some self respect instead of masquarading as a Democrat.

[pruner]

43. Republican's choice, eh…

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=482779

[lindashaw]

13. Maybe he wears contacts. Sometimes the lights hurt. I don't know...

But I didn't notice it this time. When I really want someone to do well, I get so anxious, it ruins the speech. But I don't feel that nervousness for him anymore.

[Wetzelbill]

6. He's getting more polished

Dean has some potential in their to be an articulate speaker and not just an engaging speaker. Take some work, but he's getting the hang of it all.

[madfloridian]

14. Snide.

Please do not do this.

[Wetzelbill]

23. I wasn't being snide

I've heard him in person, watched him quite often. He's obviously getting much more comfortable over the course of time. Initially, he was much better at getting a crowd pumped up than he was in articulating himself. He gets better at articulating himself each time out and has the potential to be quite great at it when money time comes around. Pretty complimentary if you ask me. No snideness at all.

[einsteins stein]

51. Constructive criticism

as opposed to just plain criticism. :-)

Thanks for the comment, Wetzelbill!

[AP]

46. Man, it's like this post is trying to weed out everyone but the true

believers.

[madfloridian]

48. It was, start your anti-Dean post in the politics forum.

n/t

[AP]

53. So this was just all a big manipulation of the new rules to see what would

happen?

That's cool.

Did you see what happened?

[madfloridian]

8. He was excellent.

He kept using "borrow and spend". He made the right points. Very good appearance.

I would appreciate it those who want to jump in here just to criticize please spare us. There just was not that much to fuss about on this appearance.

[gully]

17. Yes I loved it, he said what needed to be said..

He's great at using the RW talking points against them.

Instead of 'tax and spend' he used 'borrow and spend'.

Dean has made quite an impact on politics and the dems regardless of the outcome of the presidential election IMHO.

[leyton]

45. Yup, sincere indeed.

I thought he did well - I got the impression he isn't the regular back-slapping type of politician. He's a bit stiff, but much more sincere and intelligent than Bush. He doesn't seem to be the type who wants to tailor his personality to the general populace.

[bread_and_roses]

29. I am happy to hear

that he addressed the NeoCon attacks on democracy. The more that people hear this, the better.

[WindRavenX]

31. The more I hear him speak...

The more and more I like him.
I REALLY wanted Kerry to be the man who made Bush his biatch, but now Dean is lookin' mighty fine....
Plus he is raising some serious bank for the fight- Kerry is struggling.
Oh, I REALLY like kerry...but Dean is winning me over..

[MasonJar]

44. Dems

I saw Dean and Kuninich (sp?) last night on C-Span and today I got to see Edwards speaking at the same forum. They were all tremendous. I am so impressed with our candidates. Let's not quarrel; let's beat Stump.

[Evanstondem]

55. We can all agree on beating Stump

Actually "Stump" is a new one to me. What's the origin of this name -- a derivation of Bush?