Michael Moore on "The Daily Show" tonight. 10/6 11PM Eastern nt

[alphafemale]

[Marlie]

1. Thanks for the heads up...

Tonight's show should be great!

[eleny]

2. Great! Thanks! n/t

[Closer]

3. Wonder if

he'll tout his boy wonder, Clark, even more tonight :eyes:


I've lost so much respect for MM.

[jiacinto]

5. You're not the only one

nt

[w13rd0]

6. Carlos...

...you had respect to lose? I was under the impression that you've never thought highly of Moore...

That said, who knows, his statements haven't been an endorsement of Clark, but we'll see if he touts him. I don't suppose he could be any worse than Rob Lowe was in his boosting of Arnold the Gropinator.

[jiacinto]

10. I did respect him before 2000

nt

[dobak]

56. Moore devoted nearly an entire chapter to Clark in his new book

Moore is 110% on the Clark bandwagon

[GOPBasher]

83. You lost repect for him because he likes Clark?

I don't think that's very fair. Moore is as liberal as they get in this country. If he likes Clark, don't you think you should probably give the General a chance? His positions on the issues are pretty liberal.

[jiacinto]

4. Whatever

He helped make Bush president. I could care less as to what he thinks.

[truthseeker1]

7. How did he make Bush president?

[Wonk]

9. Don't you know? He was one of the SCOTUS five! The scoundrel!

:crazy:

[truthseeker1]

15. Ok, you've already made me feel like a dumbass,

but I'll ask anyway. What's SCOTUS 5?

[Bossy Monkey]

16. SCOTUS = Supreme Court of the US

SCOTUS 5 are the 5 who voted to make Bush president.

[KG]

17. you're not a dumbass, just a new kid on the block

:)

the SCOTUS 5 are the five RW supreme court justices that thought counting all the votes in FL was a bad thing.

[Pastiche423]

18. The Supreme Court Of The United States

five judges that put whistle ass in the WH.

[KG]

20. thanks for the PM, girlfriend!

:* smooches!

[Pastiche423]

40. Aww, you're most welcome, cutie

[Forkboy]

43. Awwwww...what a cute lil emoticon

makes one all warm and fuzzy inside :)

[KG]

52. she digs me, Fork

and for all the right reasons! :evilgrin:

[Wonk]

21. I was mocking someone else, not you, sorry.

It could be a thread about how seatbelts save lives and he'll be there saying Nader is evil incarnate, always was and always will be. Same for Moore, as you can see just by looking at this thread.

on edit:Your question about the SCOTUS was already answered so I shortened my post.

[truthseeker1]

23. So.....you're saying Moore voted for Nader?

Or he didn't? I'm confused. That's the only thing I can guess based on your initial comment. If he did vote for Nader, that's no reason to write him off. He's making valuable contributions to our society and I admire and thank him for it. He does it in a way that's controversial at times, and I don't agree with all his methods, but considering that he is successful at getting an audience and considering that very few others have the courage to do what he's doing, I give him huge props and overlook any flaws.

[KG]

24. MM been a voice for working people in a america for twenty years

and has been daring to say what dem leadership has been afraid to say.

unfortunately, there's a sad, shrill minority on DU that can't grasp what MM is all about, and can't pass up a chance to exhibit their small-mindedness when MM fans start a thread.

[jiacinto]

26. There is also a shrill group of DUers who can't dare to deal

with criticims of Moore, their hero. With "friends" like Moore the working class hardly needs enemies like the Republicans.

[jiacinto]

27. Yeah he did vote for Nader and attacked Gore

That was such a "valuable contribution". And yet he dares to bitch about Bush when he did nothing in 2000 to stop him.

[drdigi420]

33. Moore begged Nader to concede Florida

and throw his support for Gore, therefore making the election too close to steal.

Nader refused, as he had his eye on the matching federal funds and wanted a certain % of the vote for that purpose.

Nader was more responsible for Bush being able to steal the presidency than Moore.

[jiacinto]

35. That still doesn't cut it

Moore had been attacking Gore for months on end. And he knew what could very well happen. By then the damage had long since been done.

So yes I do hold Moore responsible for his role in what happened. As much as some DUers refuse to admit it, had Moore not been attacking Gore and pushing the Nader voter, Gore could very well be president today.

[Forkboy]

38. Nothing will cut it for you

your bitterness is eating you up and it's an ugly thing to behold.

[trigz]

82. Well, it appeared to me at the time that...

...had Gore been able to distinguish himself enough from the Republicans in the eyes of the average voter, the Greens wouldn't have got so many votes off him, do you think? Rather than blaming Michael Moore for giving the election "victory" to the Chimp, I'd analyse what went wrong with the Democratic election campaign instead. Michael Moore is a clever bloke and a hell of an intelligent film-maker. He also has real concern and heart for the downtrodden in America, and he deserves all kinds of credit for his work. That's my 2p.

[LuCifer]

48. THANK YOU!

The next person who blames ANYONE ELSE but the 5 Nazis on the Supreme KKKourt, Bush and KKKatherine Hairass, I will find a way to reach through my computer and bitchslap you!!!!!!!!!!

STOP ATTACKING FELLOW DEMOCRATS, AND FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY: BUSH!

End of story.

Lu

[jiacinto]

11. Another Nader Apologist in Denial

Then again there tend to be way too many of them here.

[KG]

12. if you don't care what MM thinks

then why do you feel complelled to hijack the threads of those who do?

[jiacinto]

14. Why are you here

You always seem to chime in threads where I post in first.

[Woodstock]

19. That's right you COULD care less

You care a great deal about what he thinks. And let us know at every opportunity.

[Forkboy]

29. You could care less about what he says so much

that you respond to every thread with his name on it :eyes:

[Room101]

57. jiacinto- You are on my ignore list

FOREVER! :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Langis]

8. Thanks, I'll be watching now.

What's with all the negativity today?

[welshTerrier2]

13. i just saw (finally) "Bowling for Columbine"

what a great use of media ...

i really liked the bit where he took two of the Columbine shooting victims who still had bullets in their bodies to K-Mart to "return the bullets" ...

nice blend of activism and film making ...

[robsul82]

22. I wonder if...

...jiacinto even read Stupid White Men. In it, Moore documents how he told people in the days leading up to the election to vote for Gore in swing states and Nader in blowout either way states, and Nader had a shitfit about it, screaming at Mike on the phone over it. Moore was NOT to blame for 2000, if anything, he was the ONLY Naderite with the right idea.

Later.

RJS

[jiacinto]

25. Yeah I did read that book

And it was too little too late. Frankly Moore had been attacking Gore and supporting Nader for months on end. Sensing the ordeal that was about to follow Moore did that at the last minute. But by then the damage was long since done.

Moore had been attacking Gore for months on end. So I do blame him for that. And it is just sad how some people worship this man as if he can do no wrong.

[truthseeker1]

28. I don't know of anyone who "worships" him,

but many of us do support him. There are few people out there doing what he's doing and getting an audience beyond what's here at DU. We're talking people who had no idea of some of the things that go on in America - some people have walked out of Bowling For Columbine with changed attitudes and eyes opened for the first time. That's an achievement and he needs our support so he can continue exposing people to the truth.

[KG]

30. heh

hang out at DU long enuff, you'll come to see mr. jiacinto is the master of hyperbole. :)

[jiacinto]

32. Hang out at DU long enough

And You'll Find out that KG personally attacks me at every turn.

[KG]

34. want a little cheese with that?

:nopity:

[jiacinto]

36. Do you want red wine with that?

nt

[DrWeird]

41. Want a little Bizarro

with that non sequitor?

:dunce:

[Forkboy]

39. And you attack those to the left of yourself at every turn

don't bitch because some dont worship YOU.

[DrWeird]

44. Besides, 32,454 people...

is too many to attack at every turn.

[truthseeker1]

73. well, I can see why!

[jiacinto]

31. After what he did in 2000 I can't support him

He has helped damage this country and I don't see him as a hero. If he truly cared about the damage Bush was going to do to this country he would have campaigned for Gore, not Nader. He would have voted for Gore. But no he had to play an instrumental role in helping Bush win. And yet, among his fans, they get angry whenever anyone dares to bring this up.

I think of a landlord of an apartment complex who knows that his buildings get robbed. I think of that landlord watch a tenant leave his apartment, then see a thief coming, and then do nothing to stop him. And then this person has the gall to then complain and decry about how "bad" thieves are.

That's what I see Moore as being. He did nothing when it really counted and even arguably helped the opposition. And now I am supposed to forget that and support him via buying his books and watching his movies?

[LifeDuringWartime]

37. you're not "supposed" to do any of that if you dont want to

and how the hell was moore supposed to know that bush would be this bad? did anybody really know? im asking because i didnt pay attention to politics until the 2000 election.

[jiacinto]

49. I think it's pretty obvious

Anyone looking at Bush's TX record could make that conclusion.

[Terwilliger]

67. and the Democrats still lost

:shrug:

[fujiyama]

72. Yes many of us did know...

he would be this bad. And all those that voted against Gore (by that I mean Bush, Nader, etc) that now claim they wouldn't have guessed it would be "this bad", were woefully ignorant in the last election.

Granted, I didn't see this war coming, but domestically I'm not the least bit surprised as to what he's done. The inequalities of his tax cut were well layed out, and while the mainstream media didn't mention them, there were a million sources on the internet that told how disasterous his policies would be for everyday people.

Many of us could tell Bush was allied with the most fanatical elements of his party. We knew that he would appoint far right idealougues to just about every post in his cabinet and for judgeships. We also knew that Clinton had faught the republicans tooth and nail over issues affecting everyday people -- Nader apologists and Clinton bashers should take a look at what Clinton vetoed, that was passed by the republican dominated congress. Many of those things were brought back, passed and signed into law, under this administration.

So, I will honestly say that I'm not very surprised and anyone that paid any attention to politics before 2000 shouldn't be either. You had to be a gullible fool to buy that Bush was a "moderate" or "compassionate conservative" or "uniter not divider". Anyone with half a brain could have realized these were simply political slogans.

But perhaps I'm being harsh. This was all part of the package sold by the rightwing media. The people simply bought it up.

[truthseeker1]

74. Dude, take a step back

and see the Big Picture! Don't you get it? Moore doesn't just preach to the choir. He's creating awareness for a lot of new people out there. So his actions in the 2000 election maybe weren't the best way to go. Maybe he's learned from that. Either way, the ones you really ought to be angry with is those who STOLE the election.

[stickdog]

75. The big picture is that Moore is either a fool or a shill.

First Nader and now Clark.

Draw your own conclusions.

[Room101]

77. robsul82 - I have made that point many times here

This man is on the front lines, in the political war against the Bush junta. People, who throw the baby out with the bath water with Moore, will be ignored.

[Armstead]

42. Jeezus

I'd ask certain Moore bashers where they were in the late 80's and early 90's when Moore was one of the few voices trying to get attention paid to the massive rip off of the middle and working classes and the poor that was underway.

The Democrats were starting their long smoochero with the corporate butt, and Moore was out there trying to get people to pay attention to the problems of real people.

He isn;t perfcet. But unfortunately he's still light years ahead of the centrist Democrats is seeing reality with the cold light of honesty.

[Myra]

45. I was furious at him after coup2k too

To put it mildly.
But I think he's done much to redeem himself.
And ever since his kick ass oscar speech I've
been a fan.

In fact I have tickets to see him speak in Seattle
this month.

[Rose Siding]

51. At the Paramount

I'm jealous. I just checked and it's SOLD OUT

[Myra]

58. I'm sorry you couldn't get a ticket party_line

But I think Moore gives a lot of speeches
so you'll probably have another chance soon.
And I promise I'll post a report.

One thing I *really* appreciated is that the
tickets were cheap: $15. Minimim price for
other such recent speeches (e.g., Molly Ivins &
Al Franken) were $30 for the cheapest seats.

[Forkboy]

46. Bashers may not be the right term

it's only one consistant basher who's bitterness is obvious to all.

[KG]

47. you know where they were, armstead..

the same place they are now: their heads buried deep in the sand, thinking the problems with the dem. leadership will go away if they just pretend it doesn't really exist.

[jiacinto]

50. Yeah

But those centrist Democrats that you love to deride didn't help get Bush elected.

[Forkboy]

53. No

they just went along with almost all his plans once he did :eyes:

[KG]

54. in the 80's the centrists proudly called themselves 'reagan democrats'

:shrug:

[stickdog]

76. So why is he supporting Trojan Neo-Clark?

And why did he support Nader knowing that Green votes were critical to Bush's chances?

[Wonk]

55. Thank you jiacinto for helping keep this thread kicked all evening ;-)

;-)

[Hamlette]

59. so....he wasn't on?

or did I see a rerun? No Moore on the show tonight.

[Cush]

60. new ep airs at 11pm

[LittleApple81]

62. ANYBODY CREATING A MPG or AVI file?

I know they eventually show it on their site but it takes a while...

[alphafemale]

63. Link

http://www.comedycentral.com/dailyshow/

[LittleApple81]

69. I know about the comedycentral site; but these things take a while to

show there.

[Wonk]

79. mp3 here

1.4 M

[Wonk]

80. quicktime video too

24 M

[Cush]

61. Talking about Arnie

He's trying to laugh at Arnold playing gutair

"How did Planet Hollywood fail?"

[Cush]

64. Now the Kay Report

"mmmm Kay" (South Park reference)

"He did add, we did find a make believe weapon" "A guy going pshew phew with his fingers"

Lol, Rummy went to the protest he was leading outside. Shows Rummy with a "Give Inspectors More Time" Sign

[Cush]

65. kick

[Cush]

66. Back In Black

[Cush]

68. on now

[Cush]

70. Whatta waste.......

didn't talk about the issues at all....should have given him two segments

[Myra]

78. "Whatta waste......."

No kidding.

When directly asked about one of the most
disgraceful episodes in the history of our
erstwhile democracy, the CA recall, he just
blabbed about his high school days.

Not one friggen word against it.
I'm so disgusted.

[Rooktoven]

71. That's without FOX even suing you...

nicely done.

Sweet.

[LauraT28]

81. Moore has balls

Weather you like him or dislike him, the man has balls. I admire him for standing up and saying what A LOT of people are thinking, but don't have the guts to say.

Bowling was a great example of many things.. if you haven't seen this. Rent or buy it immediately.

Laura