I grow impatient with those who say maybe now we should pull out.

[Bouncy Ball]

Because I want to hear more people pointing out that we NEVER SHOULD HAVE spilled blood and treasure ATTACKING IRAQ IN THE FIRST F*CKING PLACE.

Know what I mean?

Oh NOW commentators in the media say "maybe" this was a mistake. (No maybe about that.) NOW bush voters are starting to shrug their shoulders and say "um, well, I dunno, it's kind of a mess, maybe we should just leave."

Hey, here's a novel idea: when MILLIONS of people in the US and all over the world scream and yell and march and do everything they can to say "YO! BAD FUCKING IDEA!" repukes should pull their inflated empty heads out of their pompous asses and LISTEN for once in their miserable lives.

If you had told me ten years ago my country would attack a country that did nothing to it, I honestly would NOT have believed you. Nope, no way. Nuh-uh. I knew my country didn't exactly have a clean record foreign policy-wise in our history, but attack a country unprovoked??? Nooooo. I would have said "at the very least, the American PEOPLE wouldn't stand for something that crazy!"

Apparently a lot of Americans sure as hell can be fooled but GOOD. And waking up two plus years later like some kind of short-term Rip van Winkles is better than never waking up at all, but could we possibly EVOLVE here, dammit? Would it be possible to do something as crazy as learning from history?

"I don't know about you, but I ain't gonna study war no more." Martin Luther King, Jr.

[NNadir]

1. I hear ya and you're right.

[BlueEyedSon]

2. it's coming.....

[stillcool]

3. the list of crimes committed by our government...

is longer than i ever could have imagined. Am currently in the middle of reading 'A Very Thin Line' by Theodore Draper about the Iran/Contra Affairs. The history is as never-ending as the 'all-time-low' current events. The webs they weave when they practice to deceive. A nightmare from which i never wake.

[benburch]

4. I know exactly what you mean.

Bush committed an act of genocidal murder, and we all are complicit to the degree that we did not stop that by whatever means were necessary.

This is OUR sin. And it is one we compound daily by permitting him to remain in office.

Yes, I would prefer to see Bush "legally and peacefully" removed from office, but if that is not possible, he still must be removed from office. If that takes a Revolution, then we need a Revolution. We are being "Good Germans" until we resist this. Do we want to go down in history as the "Good Germans" of the second fascist Holocaust?

[OnionPatch]

5. I'm with ya

I knew this thing was going to be a big mistake from the very beginning as did many here at DU. Everything we said would happen, happened. (And worse!) They called us traitors and America-haters and now they just flippantly decide that maybe this was all a bad idea?! :mad: Hey as***les, how bout an apology or two? And how bout getting off your **sses and trying to make up for your shortsightedness by helping to get our country back on track?

[mitchtv]

6. So Grenada and Panama don't count?

We've been attacking countries that have done nothing to us for a long time.

[Bouncy Ball]

8. Miss this part?

"I knew my country didn't exactly have a clean record foreign policy-wise in our history..."

And weren't those both under Reagan? Wasn't Grenada at the request of five other Caribbean countries?

[mitchtv]

12. [Panama was Chimp SR

?

[me b zola]

7. True enough

But we are battling people who have no intention of withdrawing--they are making far too much money off of the death & miserey in the ME. So even those who are late to the party-if you will-should be welcomed as more power to force the withdraw from Iraq.

Regardless of what the poll numbers show, at every turn the neo-cons have so much as said that they will not change course. This is their bread & butter and they have no intention of giving it up unless they are ousted. Hell, just over the week-end we got "off the record" statements from KKKarl saying that there "is no anti-war movement".

Every voice that adds to the chorus of saying how ludicrous this endeavor is is welcome to me.

We have a long, tough road before we can bring home our men & women, and anything that aids in that is welcome to me.

[Bouncy Ball]

9. I'm certainly glad for it.

I'm just a tad bit bitter (as you can tell) that this happened in the first place, though no amount of demonstrating, writing, screaming or yelling would have stopped it. The neocons were going to have their invasion and war come hell or high water.

[Jacobin]

10. It took a decade to get the military out of Viet Nam

and we were losing the war the whole time.

they lied and lied and lied and did 'body counts' and 'new strategies' and ramped up to 550,000 troops.

When the troops coming home started going to massive protests, thousands fled to canada, draft boards were burned down, students shot in marches, and the country was coming apart at the seams, then, finally, congresscritters started slowing the funding and we 'vietnamized' the war and went home

this one will take the same kind of radical action to end.

when the military has its teeth in something and the republicans and democrats who authorized this crazy shit have their pride on the line, it takes radicalization in a huge way to stop the train.

this will take a decade to end, and we haven't even started the actions necessary to begin to stop it

[oblivious]

11. I remember the admiration of an NBC commentator 2 weeks into the war.

...telling the interviewer, "Oh yes, the war's going great, and that's good news for Bush because as you know, IT'S HIS WAR, so he deserves all the credit.":puke:

[tnlefty]

13. Indict. Impeach and....

I am more than disgusted with this crap! If EVERYONE who was involved was tried before a war crimes tribunal, including the media who helped to hawk this mess up, I think we could actually change this country for the better. I'm usually opposed to the death penalty, but if public hangings for everyone who wrote PNAC and those who enabled it I kinda think that this sort of gross abuse would stop.

Send in the twins, and all of you Bush** voters sign up!!

[Marleyb]

14. disgusted beyond words...

Anyone who was paying attention could see this coming from a mile a way. They never had any evidence, they were just making up bullshit on the spot...the crude forgeries, spying on the UN...it was absurd!

And so many of us tried to do anything and everything possible to stop it before it started but to no avail. I am profoundly disturbed at the apathy in this country. The idea that people were thrilled at the light show as we shocked and awed the innocent people of Baghdad. And now 100,000 DEAD innocents later, 2,000 DEAD troops later, and countless horribly maimed for life....turns out it's the gas prices that start to turn people against the war. All people care about is their money. It's sick Sick SICK!!! We need to change the value system in this country. We need to become the moral country that we claim to be. We need to reclaim the 60's- what's so funny about peace and love?

"We need to get on the right side of the world revoltion, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution in values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a thing oriented society to a person oriented society."
MLK

[oblivious]

15. Well said, Marleyb and welcome to DU.

[newyawker99]

16. Hi Marleyb!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[txindy]

17. I don't think many (most?) Americans learn from experience, anymore

They keep doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results. Since that is the definition of insanity, I don't know that we're ever going to progress very far. I fear that even if we somehow get Junior and his thugs out of office and, hopefully, behind bars, 'we' won't have the sense to not replace them with like-minded, criminal con artists (e.g., anyone in the repub party today). It's that whole 'safety' issue, internal or external, real or perceived.

But, yes, I agree with you. With everything you've said in your OP, actually.