Clark on C-Span2 NOW

[welshTerrier2]

he's on with Tom Harkin as part of Harkin's Iowa Forum series ...

[welshTerrier2]

1. Kick ... n/t

n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. Thank You!

I've been trying to watch him whenever I can. I'm on the fence between Clark and Dean. Thanks for the heads up!

[Renew Deal]

3. Song was Ring of Fire by Johnny Cash.

Who picked that?

[Selwynn]

4. 8 P M EST? I.E right now?

[Renew Deal]

5. Yes

[Renew Deal]

6. Will last an hour and a half.

Tom Harkin is great.

[Cush]

7. Clark on now

[Julien Sorel]

8. Harkin talking now.

'Anyone who can command NATO, win that war in Kosovo without losing one American life knows what it means to hold political office.' -- Harkin.

Overall, Harkin did a great job of attacking Bush. iirc, he was too bland as a candidate, but I liked him in '91 for his urbanity and intelligence.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

9. Thank you! nt

n/t

[Renew Deal]

10. "Anyone that can hold a coalition of 19 together and not lose a single"

american life is an experienced politician." Tom Harkin

[Cush]

11. If your lucky

Your absentee ballot is counted

[Cush]

12. Clark just shot down one talking point

He said that after his fund raiser for the GOP he asked the DNC what he could do for them, and went to a fund raiser

[StephNW4Clark]

15. Texas Democratic Chair Molly Beth Malcolm

Clark picked up some Southern endorsements from Arkansas Democratic Chairman Ron Oliver, Vice Chair Karla Bradley as well as Texas Democratic Chair Molly Beth Malcolm. Malcolm mentioned there were private endorsementsmade to the gneral by other state Democratic chairmen who will endorse publicly “when the time is right.” She told me that she had met Clark at a Democratic dinner in 2001 shortly after he had also visited with the Republican Party where he praised the Bush administration. Malcolm, who sat with the general at the dinner, was told that Clark had been invited because he had inquired with the Arkansas Democratic Party if “there was something he could do for the Democratic party” in the area as well.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/968595.asp

[Renew Deal]

13. Note: spoke at Jefferson Jackson dinner in AR.

[Julien Sorel]

14. Clark seems a little bit off tonight -- he's usually crisper.

[Selwynn]

16. well... he's not talking off a script (?)

[Julien Sorel]

19. It's his standard stump speech.

He's warming up some now and getting into it.

[Selwynn]

Ok - cool - my first chance to see Clark live

[Renew Deal]

35. He will be taking questions soon.

That's when it gets interesting.

[kiahzero]

21. Yeah

He's not quite as impassioned as he was in NH. Still good though

[Julien Sorel]

27. OK, he's definitely off.

His deliver of his one-liner about Bush needing brothers in the other 49 states was a little bit skewed.

[Selwynn]

17. To me he seems on the defensive about....

... his political affiliation. I haven't decided between Clark or Dean, but if I was Clark, I wouldn't comment on it - just leave it a non-story.

I am glad to be watching him however... (don't have cable so i'm streaming it over the web.

[ComerPerro]

18. I was shocked by the sudden devotion to Clark that appeared on this board,

even before he was a candidate.

But this, on CSPAN2 right now, is really, really good stuff...

[Selwynn]

20. What the hell?

He has said jack shit so far.

[Selwynn]

30. Alright alright, I jumped the gun...

Its getting good...

[Renew Deal]

22. Hinting at PNAC.

Government run an agenda.

[Renew Deal]

23. According to Doonesbury, he is wearing his flight suit is at night.

[Selwynn]

24. "This is not compassionate, its not conservative...

its simply heartless, its wreckless, its wrong!"

There is no substance in a comment like that, but goddamn I love it!

[Renew Deal]

25. He has 1 and 1/2 hours. Give him time.

[0rganism]

26. He looks kinda tired, but he's still saying the good stuff

I'm not dedicated to a Clark nomination yet, but he's looking really strong so far. The man can TALK, dammit! That alone puts him head and shoulders above AWOL-boy.

[Julien Sorel]

31. That's about right.

[Cush]

28. How can this Admin

say you're either against us or with us? It's never been like that, we've never been like that

[StrongBad]

29. Hmmm

He's doing well...that comment on communists becoming democrats has potential of being horribly maligned.

[hedda_foil]

32. Missed that comment. Could you repeat it please?

[StrongBad]

37. It was quick, can't recall full text...

...was talking of a country (most likely former USSR) and how he saw how quickly their ideas reformed, and claimed that he has seen "young communists become young democrats"...


of course he meant small "d" democrats as in they support democracy, but one could twist it by saying that he said communists are supporters of the democratic party.

[bluefire2000]

40. he qualified: democrats small 'd'

he said after fall of berlin wall/communism they wanted to emulate the west (paraphrase)

[Selwynn]

47. Bush has been here 2.5 years - we'd d more for jobs in 8 days

[Renew Deal]

33. I wonder if that one is going to slip by.

I think it has some sort of deeper meaning. He may get soundbited.

[Julien Sorel]

36. democrat with small d.

[Kahuna]

74. That's not what he said. He said, "democratic...small d."

[Cush]

34. Combat as a last resort

Its hard to change hearts & minds when you're dropping bombs on them and killing them

[Cush]

38. on NK

whats wrong with talking to them? We should have been doing it a year ago

[Renew Deal]

39. I wonder what effect he will have on fashion if he gets elected.

He ties his tie military style.

[Cush]

41. some habits are hard to break

Lol

[Julien Sorel]

48. Looks like a standard double Windsor to me.

[Renew Deal]

42. People smiled when he said raise taxes over $200,000

[wyldwolf]

43. President Clark!

[Julien Sorel]

44. Quotes Eisenhower on leadership.

'Leadership isn't about giving orders; it's the art of persuading the other fella that what you want to do is right.' It's my own mantra as well.

[ramapo]

45. Maybe I'm a sucker...

but this guy is giving me some hope.

Could it be that Clark is for real?

The best thing is he is immune to the soft on defense, patriotism crap that the Repubs are so fond of.

Looks like he can talk and think. A real President?

I like Dean but...

[kiahzero]

46. Yeah, he's for real

on edit: my subject and your subject together looked bad. =D

[Selwynn]

49. See, this is what I'm afraid of...

I'm afriad I'm being a sucker -- he knows EXACTLY what to say to move me. But I don't trust that its true... yet.

[StephNW4Clark]

52. Really interesting comment

Just out of curiosity, what would it take to convince you? (Not being antagonistic (really!!) What would you like to see/read/hear?

[Selwynn]

57. Ask me again when this is over.... trying to listen and type now

[0rganism]

71. Problem is, he seems too good to be true

After wandering in the desert for two years, is it any surprise that people look at a cool glass of water with suspicion that it could be a mirage?

[Renew Deal]

50. People always say that after seeing him.

"Clark is for real."

[SammyWinstonJack]

68. I like Dean

But the more I listen to Clark the more I like him. He seems real enough and sincere.

[Cush]

51. Lol

Mic cuts out, he jokes: "Thats an applause line"

[southern democrat]

54. Stays cool under fire

[Renew Deal]

58. Literally

Silver Star

[StrongBad]

53. Haha...he's pretty quick on his feet

good reaction when mic feed went out

[laruemtt]

61. i'm in love!

sorry, y'all are gonna sick of me saying this before the election so i'll try to hold it in - promise! i love what he says, i love his intellect, his grasp of all the issues. and sorry again but i'm helpless against those eyes. he gets me viscerally. but my mind is still focused on the words coming out of his mouth and the sincerity therein, even while admiring his dimples...

[wyldwolf]

67. He does it for me, too... and I'm a guy... and hetero!

He has the total package, huh?

[Kahuna]

99. LOL.,, He's a hottie!... I'm looking at him and thinking..

An older Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt maybe. :smoke:

[Kahuna]

96. I know what you mean..

:smoke:

[IranianDemocrat]

69. Former captain of West Point Debate team.

;-)

[Julien Sorel]

55. 'That's an applause line'

All right! That's the stuff it takes to make people like you -- fall down, and get back up with a smile on your face.

First time I've seen him demonstrate a feel for the room. He's much closer to normal now.

[Renew Deal]

56. Current health system...

Is a scandal...
Is morally wrong...

[southern democrat]

59. Right on targer on S.S.

[Renew Deal]

60. Long applause for saying disagreement in a time of war is unpatriotic.

[Selwynn]

64. for saying the admin. is WRONG to say that....

[Renew Deal]

62. Uncalled for Standing O. Very long...

[0rganism]

63. Oh wow, that was a brilliant

about the admins notion of disagreement in wartime being unpatriotic.

Brutally forthright, perfect opening to his endgame closer.

Almost too good.

[Selwynn]

70. Where is Clark on Gay Rights?

Has he come out on whether he would sign or veto anti-gay legislation?

[wyldwolf]

73. answer...

He is for civil unions and against an amendment outlawing gay marriage.

[Selwynn]

75. W00t one issue down, 300 to go (for me I mean) :)

[kayleybeth]

86. General Clark

has said he is in favor of civil unions and welcomes gays in the military.

[Renew Deal]

65. Q & A starting.

[Cush]

66. Time for the Q & A session

[hedda_foil]

72. Is he really saying ...

That the first thing to do in creating jobs has something to do with creating demand for jobs (by companies) by promoting off the shelf programs for homeland security?

It didn't make any sense to me except that it reminded me of his work with Axciom.

[StephNW4Clark]

76. It ties in with the jobs stimulus plan he proposed.

The $100 billion from tax increases on $200K+ crowd - $20 billion would go into job creation for homeland security. In other words, move away from the privatization of security jobs that the Bush admin current favors.

[hedda_foil]

97. No, Stephanie, I heard it well enough to know

that WASN'T he was talking about. Not at all.

[StephNW4Clark]

100. Well, I have no idea then...

...b/c I'm nowhere near a TV or streaming WebCast. Too many applications running on the computer at work.

[bluefire2000]

77. was he saying job funding in private sector

Or public? Fund government (such as homeland security for starters) programs as straight FDR-type programs, or by funding related companies?

[laruemtt]

here's THE ?

"are you a repuke in dem's clothes?"

[hedda_foil]

93. It was defintely private companies he was referring to.

[bluefire2000]

110. economic recovery points

Pulled this from his site, FWIW

Clark's plan will maintain fiscal discipline while creating new jobs. Doesn't specifically answer the question at hand though.

- Create a Homeland and Economic Security Fund of $40 billion over two years. The fund will both create jobs and boost America's defenses by improving port security, investing in critical infrastructure and better equipping first-responders.

- Create a state and local Tax Rebate Fund of $40 billion over two years. States and local governments are in crisis, staggering under a projected $80 billion deficit. The rebate fund would return money to localities, lessening the need to raise property taxes, fees and university tuition and giving the economy room to create more jobs.

- Provide $20 billion in business tax incentives over two years. Clark's plan would give businesses a tax credit of up to $5,000 for every new employee hired in 2004 and 2005, helping to end this jobless recovery.

[StrongBad]

78. ooh...

this guy is sticking it to Clark on his past support of Bush & his admin.

[0rganism]

81. Tough question, let's see how he handles it

It didn't phase him, that's for sure.

[Selwynn]

79. Wow tough question...

Clark: I like honest questios - that's cool.

[Selwynn]

88. I'm gonna bring a lot of people to this party (??) hmm..

I wish he could stop reminding people that he hasn't been a democrat for long, or trying to defend himself.

I think he should have said "I've always held the same beliefs" and then list them, and then make some cool, clever quip about how he realized he always belonged at "home" in the democratic party or something like that...

Damn I'd be a good political operative. :D

[Cush]

80. Question on his Fundraiser

[charlie]

82. Uh-oh, ambush

Praising Dubya and crew, his policies were known and partially enacted, are you a closet Republican?

[wyldwolf]

83. Good answer...

[charlie]

94. Not bad

I'd just tuned in, in time for that nailbiter.

[StephNW4Clark]

84. He's got to have seen that one coming

...considering it's been the main headline about him for the past week.

[kiahzero]

85. Asked and answered (re Repub)

Are we cool now?

[StephNW4Clark]

87. What was the answer?

[kiahzero]

90. I wish I had TiVo

sorry, figured everybody on the thread was watching.

on edit: That is, so I could go back and get the word for word

[laruemtt]

95. sounds like he might be

the REAL uniter not a divider. he keeps talking about bringing more people in to the party. work with other governments. looking for solutions.

[Cush]

89. On Iraq

THey talked about going into Iraq before the Election. In the debates, Bush said that he didn't believe in PeaceKeeping, but he would use the military to overthrow Dictators, now we know who he was talking about

[southern democrat]

91. He is speaking the truth,in regard to Bush's use of military.

[Selwynn]

92. Damn I wish DEAN was up next....

I wish I could hear them back to back..

[Renew Deal]

98. Soon

my friend, soon. :)

[ramapo]

101. Sounds like real answers

He's actually answering the question asked, not going off on some canned spiel that may/may not be related.

Liked his answer on the "No Child...blah" act.

Makes Bush* look like a small, little man

[rasputin1952]

102. Clark is articulate...

and is really making a whole lot of sense.
Damn! this man is good!

:kick:

[JNelson6563]

103. I'm watching and I think

he's doing fine.

Boy I'd sure love to see the Doctor and the General together on one ticket.......and I am negotiable on the order so no hard core Clarkies jump on me for that one! ;-)

Julie

[bicentennial_baby]

104. I'm with you on that one

I'd love to see them both on the ticket, in either order.

[Kahuna]

111. Okay, but.. Can we...

have the guy who actually polls the best against bush and polls the best in the south at the top of the ticket? Don't you think that makes sense. :D

:pals:

[JNelson6563]

113. hey, I'm open to reason

I'm no close minded idealogue. :-)

Julie--the Dem who wants to win real bad

[southern democrat]

105. Witrhout a doubt, he shines in this format.

[Selwynn]

106. HOOAH! NAFTA Question.

[Kahuna]

107. The crowd (especially the sen. citizens) seem to be...

very receptive to him. Of course there was that one wisenheimer who had to bring up the Lincoln Day remarks... I'm glad he asked. I want to hear what Clark has to say about these contoversial issues.

[FlashHarry]

108. Starting Thread #2

http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=483252

[bluefire2000]

112. whoah - Led Zep playing as he walks off the stage n/t

[charlie]

109. Would you reject NAFTA?

Will subsequent agreements include strong labor and environmental regulations?

NAFTA is a fact, must work to improve it.

Will not enact trade agreements without L and E protections (phrased strongly, as a promise).