Is my country (Great Britian) now part of the axis of evil

[TyeDye75]

Are we going to be invaded

[Sabriel]

1. All your bangers are belong us!

What's the current mood about the smash 'n grab of the two British soldiers over there? I'm wondering what people are saying about either the circumstances or the men themselves.

[TyeDye75]

4. Im not sure

I think the news is still filtering through to the mainstream

I think it may take a few days for it all to play out

[holboz]

7. LOL! And "All your Bubble and Squeaks are belong to us!"

When we invade, I'm claiming the area of Wookie Hole as my spoils.

In all seriousness, though, this smash and grab is a very interesting if not puzzling situation. If the undercover men were SAS then it seems very very strange that the military would make such a bold and overt rescue attempt. I'm recalling stories of Andy McNab (whether or not they're true is a whole other thread)who seem to indicate that once the SAS were in enemy territory that they were pretty much on their own until they make it to a designated pick up spot.

Then again, I know very very little about SAS. My brother was SFO in the Air Force during the first Gulf War as well as Central America but he doesn't say a word about what he did. He only says, "If you REALLY knew what the government was up to then you'd be shitting yourself." And that was during Pappy Bush's reign.

[baby_mouse]

28. In the papers I've seen

It's all "ra ra ra the Courageous Brits have freed two poor brave soldiers", it might take a while to clear it up.

[ladylibertee]

2. I dunno ,Our President is retatded right now

[pepperlove]

3. I hate the thought

but you are vulnerable to this Nazi resident some fools put in office. No one is safe (not even us).

[calico1]

5. Are you kidding me?

Half of American belongs to the Axis of evil as far bush is concerned. Nobody is safe.

[whistle]

6. Well Tony Blair is most certainly.....

[no_hypocrisy]

8. Nah. We'll just install Diebold voting machines in Britain and

then "let the people decide". I estimate that we've used up Tony as much as possible. What we need is a satellite government to raid your tax funds, etc.

[converted_democrat]

9. I am really curious..........

What are people saying? I mean that whole incident was just so strange..Are people talking about it?

[TyeDye75]

10. BBCs 'have youre say' section is usually a good yard stick

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4263092.stm

Hang on - two British soldiers were arrested by the legitimate Iraqi police force and a tank was used to break them out of jail? Am I missing something, or isn't that an outrageous attack on the very police force we are supposed to be bolstering and supporting? If Iraq has broken down to that extent, then surely something else must be done, because what is happening now is clearly not working.
Katherine, London, UK

For me this is the final straw. I was against the war, but once it happened I supported coalition forces staying to clear up the mess we made. However, this incident shows that we are not wanted by the establishment in Basra. Bring the boys (and girls) home now.
Jeff, Amersham, UK

This disastrous situation goes from bad to worse with each day. British troops should leave immediately, they can be deployed with 24 hours notice so they can exit under the same terms. Leave America to fight the war it started on its own.
Jonathan McIver, London, UK

Please be informed that the silent majority of the Basra population are grateful to the brave UK troops and they cannot trust anyone else. Do not leave Basra alone, please.
Mohammad, Basra, Iraq

[converted_democrat]

11. Thank you so much for showing me that site, I will tuck it away for future

use. I have looked at BBC news before, but I had never seen this section, thank you.

[TyeDye75]

12. No problem

:) Ive always found it interesting

[muriel_volestrangler]

16. Well, The Sun has leapt in with unconditional support for the soldiers

Their headline today was: "Rescue of Brit heroes". Exactly what these men had done to be 'heroic', they don't say. The other tabloid newspapers are concentrating on "dramatic rescue"-style stories, while mentioning they were arrested after a 'firefight' with the police.

[converted_democrat]

23. Isn't media grand??? The classic whitewash.........n/t

[slaveplanet]

13. well let see

you wouldn't take the hint and leave when you were advised to

you burned down our White House

you hardly thanked us for pulling your arse out of the Nazi fire...
Our boys are buried there in defense, How many of your boys are buried here defending us?

you provided us with phony documents to grease us into this God forsaken mess

and now it's quite possible you're pulling off false flag ops

However, Since this is Bizarro world... I'd say you're safe

[TyeDye75]

19. Harsh

Our boys did their part against the Nazis too, infact between the fall of Paris and operation Barbarossa they did it alone.

Id like to think that if America were ever in direct threat of invasion Britian would help out (the times we invaded excluded obviously):-)

[KansDem]

22. The Spitfires helped also

Weren't they the deciding factor in beating back Goering's Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain?

Nice piece of machinery...

on edit: I bet not too many Americans know that British planes were outnumbered by German planes by a substantial margin:

At the start of the war, Germany had 4,000 aircraft compared to Britain's front-line strength of 1,660. By the time of the fall of France, the Luftwaffe (the German air force) had 3,000 planes based in north-west Europe alone including 1,400 bombers, 300 dive bombers, 800 single engine fighter planes and 240 twin engine fighter bombers. At the start of the battle, the Luftwaffe had 2,500 planes that were serviceable and in any normal day, the Luftwaffe could put up over 1,600 planes. The RAF had 1,200 planes on the eve of the battle which included 800 Spitfires and Hurricanes - but only 660 of these were serviceable. The rate of British plane production was good - the only weakness of the RAF was the fact that they lacked sufficient trained and experienced pilots. Trained pilots had been killed in the war in France and they had not been replaced.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/battleofbritain.htm

I never discount the military efforts of Britain, France, or Russia, in spite of the current attitude among some of my fellow Americans...

[Spider Jerusalem]

24. Actually, the Hurricane scored the most kills in the Battle of Britain.

More than all other aircraft and ground-based anti-aircraft artillery combined. The Spit hadn't been in production long, and not many squadrons were equipped with them at the time.

[KansDem]

25. Thanks for the correction!!

:hi:

[TyeDye75]

26. Two beautiful aircraft

I remember seeing a spitfire at an Airshow with my dad when I was about 6, he died when I was 9 and its one of my fondest memories of him.

[Spider Jerusalem]

20. Actually, YOU ought to be thanking the Russians...

for doing most of the fighting and dying against the Nazis. And I don't seem to recall that the US won the Battle of Britain, or whipped Rommel at El Alamein. OR cracked the German codes, the intelligence from which was hugely important in winning the war (Google "Bletchley Park" if you don't know what I'm talking about). And the US only declared war on Germany because Hitler declared war first. You must've studied Bizarro history, I'm guessing.

[Book Lover]

30. I advise letting go of your anger over the War of 1812

Me, I've already forgotten how pissed I was at the Barbary Coast pirates...

[MadisonProgressive]

14. Yes, the new axis of evil is UK, US, and fon't forget Poland!

[Mutley]

15. Every country is potentially a part of the axis of evil and

every country (with some sort of money or power to offer) will be invaded. No one is safe with a maniac running America.

[WeHoldTheseTruths]

17. The SAS is not under the control

of the British government, nor in any way responsible to the people of Great Britian. The Queen is their boss (and Phillip, I hear.)

I'd like to see the British press make that clear to everyone.

[Spider Jerusalem]

18. Um, what the hell are you talking about?

The SAS is part of the UK Special Forces directorate, which is subordinate to the chief of the general staff of the British Army (currently Sir Mike Jackson), who is in turn subordinate to the Ministry of Defence; the sovereign is nominally head of Britain's armed forces, but that role is more ceremonial than anything else, and has been so for over two centuries.

[baby_mouse]

29. Well, yes

But that's not what they tell the grunts.

[WeHoldTheseTruths]

31. That's what I get for

just writing from memory of articles. Point of which were that the SAS spinoffs (or whatever) employing former SAS, including ranking officers, are not under govt control, but were tied to Queen and Philip. One, "The Dogs of War: Her Majesty's Irregular Forces," is here:

www.members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/irregs.htm

and more on their operations in "The SAS: Prince Philip's manager of terrorism"
www.larouchepub.com/other/1995/2241_sas.html

I was wrong, you are accurate. Thank you for the correction.

Those articles do not claim that active duty SAS do the same things as the private firms which employ, and are run by ex-SAS.

Who knows what the SAS does? Very secret stuff.

Interestingly, Wikkipedia has this entry under SAS:

"On 19 September 2005, two supposed SAS members were arrested in the city of Basra in Iraq. Iraqi police claimed the two were arrested trying to plant bombs dressed in civilian clothing and had shot at police officers. The arrests sparked clashes in which British tanks came under attack from petrol bombs. Later, official Iraqi sources said that British tanks knocked down a wall storming the city's jail and rescuing the soldiers. The British Ministry of Defence initially said that the men's release was negotiated and the tanks were merely trying to collect them. They later, however, claimed that the police had illegally handed the men over to Shi'a militia and it was from these that they had to be rescued."

Man, that was fast.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

32. Your two links are

articles from the Executive Intelligence Review - Lyndon Larouche's magazine. Larouche believes that Queen Elizabeth II is the no. 1 drug dealer in the world and lays all manner of tripe at her door. Don't believe a word of this rubbish.

[Spider Jerusalem]

34. As noted in the response above this one...

anything Lyndon LaRouche has to say on the subject is pure, unadulterated lunacy; the man is a delusional paranoid who has variously claimed that the Queen controls an international drug cartel, was behind the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, that the British Empire not only still exists but is still a dominant force in international economics and politics, et cetera...you might as well talk about the Illuminati or a vast Masonic conspiracy or Vatican-sanctioned death squads, since those all have as much credence as anything Lyndon LaRouche has to say.

[DelawareValleyDem]

21. Depends. How much oil you got left in the North Sea? nt

[Cleita]

27. It seems we don't invade any English speaking countries.

We corrupt their Prime Minister instead. Fill them up with our propaganda and when we get them to go to war with us, we offer them a job with the Carlyle Institute after they retire.

[theHandpuppet]

33. Revenge for "beans on toast"...

... and all those culinary delights gifted to the world by the British Empire. Bangers and haggis and kidney pie, oh my! :evilgrin: