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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:38 PM
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MAYOR GOSEK ARRESTED (Freeper)
OSWEGO - Mayor John Gosek, 58, of 275 West 7th Street, Oswego, was arrested Friday for the federal offense of "using a facility in interstate commerce (a telephone) to knowingly attempt to persuade, induce, entice, and coerce an individual under the age of 18 years to engage in sexual activity for which he could be charged with criminal offenses, that is, rape in the third degree and criminal sexual act in the third degree" in violation of the New York State Penal Code.

Gosek's arrest is the second arrest in less than two months of a city official or former city official on morals charges. Former city parks superintendent Robert P. Farrell was arrested Aug. 4 and charged with communicating indecently with 12- to 14-year-old girls using e-mail.

A criminal complaint charging Gosek with use of an interstate facility with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity with a minor will be filed today with the U.S. District Court.

Gosek will be taken before U.S. Magistrate Judge George H. Lowe in Syracuse for an initial appearance at 4:30 p.m. today.

If convicted, Gosek faces a minimum mandatory sentence of five years' imprisonment, a maximum possible sentence of 30 years' imprisonment, and a fine of up to $250,000.

Gosek's arrest resulted from an investigation undertaken by the New York State Police and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Assistant U.S. Attorneys John Katko and Edward Broton are responsible for the prosecution of the case on behalf of the U.S. Attorney's Office.

Rest of story found at:http://www.pall-times.com/articles/2005/09/17/news/news1.txt

I'll add him to the list when he's convicted
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* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

* Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

* Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

It makes me real sad that a party who claims to MORALLY HIGHER then the rest of us seem to be the sickest of the sick.

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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:42 PM
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1. Another for the
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 04:07 PM
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37. I was just about to ask for that link again.
Nice job, but this website disgusts me. This clown is definitely fodder for the site though.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:43 PM
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2. I'm aghast
Thanks for keeping the list.
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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:46 PM
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6. My Dad needs the credit for keeping this list I told him
I was going to post it. He had No Idea what I was talking about so now when he comes home I'll show him.:toast:
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:00 PM
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17. Don't Forget Authur "Art" Teele
The Black Republican ex-Miami-Dade Commissioner who was removed from Office by Fla. Gov. Jeb Bush. Art later committed suicide in the lobby of the Miami Herald not long ago.

Wire transfer fraud, mail fraud, laundering, received kickbacks for giving 10-million dollar contract to Miami International Airport instead of giving to Small Businesses for the Minorities. Was having sex with male prostitute several time (paid him $400 per session) though Art was married.
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:52 PM
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12. I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!!!
NOT!!!!
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:44 PM
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3. regarding Republican Marty...
as a result of the charges brought against him (all of which were very believable to those of us who knew him and witnessed his behavior for years), Marty died shortly after his arrest of an apparent suicide.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:01 PM
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19. You knew that guy?
Oy! Do tell more!
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:13 PM
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32. yes, I knew Marty...
grew up with him in fact. He was always looking for attention - the only Jewish guy in a small southern backwater from a fairly well to do family.

After high school, he partied a lot, was supported to a great extent by his father and sold drugs, eventually taking over his father's local business. I moved away early on and lost direct contact with him.

The last time I saw him was at a high school reunion cruise. Immediately upon seeing him, he shook my hand and said - not hello - but "George Bush for President in 2000." I, along with most others, was taken aback and laughed to myself hysterically. I couldn't take him seriously (I mean GWB FOR PRESIDENT - IMAGINE!!) and after all he was just being Marty. He had an EXTREMELY young girl with him whom he says he'd just met and paid to come with him on the cruise. He noted that they planned to stay in their room and do Ecstasy the majority of the time. We all rolled our eyes and while we knew on one hand he was telling the truth, we also knew he was just being Marty and looking for attention. He also tried to pick up MY daughter by regaling her with stories of how he smuggled drugs into the country back in the 70's and 80's.

Now I had known that he had become a rethug blowhard and that he was also a laughingstock in the area by most people. But during the cruise he began to tell me of his website and invited me to come over and see. Now I wasn't very politically astute then, but I have been fairly liberal most of my life. After getting home and seeing his website, I was aghast! On one hand he was railing against Clinton and spouting family values while at the same time posting pics of scantily clad YOUNG women and using them as sexual objects and advertisements for the site. In knowing what his personal life was really like, I felt compelled to tell him what I thought and I began an on-and-off correspondence with him. He took it all in stride - or maybe least he thought I was just another crazy lib and laughed. He wasn't malicious to me on a personal level, but then he never was to people he actually knew. He was just sort of - you know that crazy Marty.

Anyway, within a year or two, I can't remember exactly, I got the news that he was arrested trying to pick up an underage girl and pay her for sex with drugs. Of course, I knew it was true - everyone did who knew Marty. I wrote him and told him that I was appalled at his behavior and that I finally had to cut my ties with him. I told him to not send me any more email updates or anything until he got his life back in order. I never heard from him again.

A few weeks later I heard that after an apparent suicide attempt, he died. The report was he able to walk to the ambulance and that the cuts to his wrists and the drug overdose he took weren't serious enough to kill him. He died anyway. I never found out what really happened.

I carried a lot of guilt over that for a few years. Instead of reaching out to him, I shunned him. And it does still haunt me, but I also realize that Marty brought this on himself. He was a bright, funny guy when he wanted to be. But he spewed hatred and got what he deserved. I hated it all for his family who are good people, but I also hated it for all the innocent peaceful people he hurt.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:44 PM
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4. Love your list, they have always been slime

That's one of the reasons they want power --they want to hide behind it.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:45 PM
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5. the woman who drowned
her kids-smith? was molested by her stepdad(?)..i forgot all the sordid details
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:51 PM
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10. Susan Smith.
He was not only high up in the local Republican establishment but was a local organizer of Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition. He campaigned heavily for Newt Gingrich.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:06 PM
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41. Yes. His first name was Beverly. And let's not forget what newt
gangrene said about Susan Smith and her drowned babies: "that's what you get when you vote Democrat."

ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, newt. I am NEVER going to forget that. And I will tell that story about you to EVERYONE EVERYWHERE as long as you draw breath. And even beyond that.

You did finally get some of your comeuppance, but not nearly enough. So I shall be glad to give you MORE.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:35 PM
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42. Don't forget to add that
Newt also served divorce papers on his wife while she was in the hospital recovering from a mastectomy.

Great 'family' values there. Looks like the only thing he valued was her tit.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:24 AM
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49. I think he timed it so she got the papers while getting chemo!!
He's poond scum--while excoriating Clinton, he was getting BJs in his office from his staffer Calista, who later became his wife.

His staff of true believers were APPALLED, and ratted him out to wife number 2. She ended up getting a BUNDLE, and got even more in exchange for Calista only stipulating to "sexual contact" without having to describe the sordid details (the conference room table? The xerox machine? The desk??? Who knows?) in open court.
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KellyW Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:48 PM
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7. Don't forget Mayor West of Spokane
n/t
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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:50 PM
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9. Thanks I'll be sure to add him too nt
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Scoots Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:34 PM
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43. Threats
I suppose it doesn't count for this list of sex crimes, but Mayor West is also the guy who was dumb enough to leave death threats on another Senator's answering machine. Not exactly a rocket scientist.
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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:44 PM
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44. Welcome to DU Scoots
:silly: :bounce: :toast:

I hope you enjoy this site as much as I do
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:49 PM
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8. Is he literally a freeper?
That is, a member of Free Republic?

You know, the OWNER of Free Republic is rumored to have a shady history too...
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:56 PM
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13. So spill it. What's the shady history?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:51 PM
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11. Yikes!!!
i'm going to have to rethink that whole Franklin County/Pappy Bush thing. As with so much being revealed these days my mind can not digest it in one sitting.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:57 PM
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14. Wolves in sheep's clothing
What a bunch of PUKES! :puke:



Thanks for the post it is very USEFUL!

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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:58 PM
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15. Wow.......
I knew they were sexually repressed sleezebags but I had no idea it was this widespread. Is there any way we can archive this and add to it when the occasion arises?

Thanks for the info, the more TRUTH we can show people the easier it will be to free them from the grubby grasp of the Slugs.
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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:03 PM
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21. *** See #1 that is a great link for INFO nt
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:59 PM
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16. The politics of corruption is alive and well and embedded in the......
republican and conservative parties. 'DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO.'-Wise Old Right Wing Republican
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:01 PM
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18. Don't forget George
Before he was with Laura he was with this black girl and got her pregnant and his poppy got it available for her to have an abortion when this was illegal in Texas. She started talking in 2001/2002 cause she wanted to show how Bush was a hypocrite and then she was "found dead". Apparently she wanted to keep the baby but the Bush's couldn't have that now could they? I still always wonder how he and Laura really met. I still think there is more to them then meets the eye.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:01 PM
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20. What is it with these people and sex?
I also wanted to ask that. All they care about is sex, sex, sex! I think they're all addicted and need serious counseling or something.
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defiant1 Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:04 PM
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22. Seems to be a pattern....
The Republican Party - While you rest, we'll MOLEST.

:puke:
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:09 PM
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23. JMJ, that's a long list...
So, these are only the names of the Pugs that were charged or convicted, right?

Holy cow... What about all the ones that are being investigated? :)
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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:18 PM
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25. Not enough space on my pc to save that list
:rofl: sick Bastartds
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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:17 PM
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24. HA ha I forgot my Congressman Ken Calvert
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:22 PM
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26. What a shocking list of "outstanding" family values proponents
So shocking, in fact, I'm making a blog entry with the contents. ;-)

Even through it's sickening, nothing about freepers surprises me anymore.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:24 PM
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27. OMG I used to live in Oswego
and took advantage by getting my degree at SUNY at Oswego while I was there. I was married to a native Oswegoan and his family lived there for a few generations.

This little city is bordered by Lake Ontario and knowing the population I have to wonder why there would be any Republicans there. There are only a handful of really rich and the majority is lower middle to poor. It had a reputation for having more bars per capita than any other city.

It's typical of many small towns where you have to be in the right party for certain jobs.

It is probably best known for Nine Mile 1 and 2 - nuclear plants which for a time raised the income level of many. Of course the high level of cancer patients in the area aren't connected.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:26 PM
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28. Larry Flynt, is that you?
Damn...what a list!
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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:40 PM
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30. I only wish Larry Flint would raise his voice again
I miss his voice on the 1st admin.:evilgrin:
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:30 PM
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29. GOP= Grand Old Pedophile party. puke on these pigs.
hypocrites.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:50 PM
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31. Bookmarked as a handy reminder of "Republican family values"
Predators and criminals often will gravitate toward the most "safe harbor", hiding behind moral assumptions and myths about groups or organizations.

The "family values" myth is one such hideaway. Every healthy, functioning being values their families and by extension, other families outside of their own. Whoever started and promotes that phony and insulting concept is a cynic in the extreme.

Some of our nations worst, most vile criminals are hiding behind the august office of the POTUS, shaming that office in ways history has never seen, and hopefully never will see again.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:38 PM
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33. This is what happens...
when you let sexually repressed people get power.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:53 PM
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34. Yikes - that's quite a list. I wonder what my pious RW M-I-L would think
if I emailed this to her...:evilgrin:
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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:57 PM
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36. be sure to add this link to your email .
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 04:54 PM
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39. Ooooh, Thanks!!!
That should get me out of the will for sure!
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:55 PM
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35. I can't wait...
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 03:56 PM by skypilot
...until we can add Rick Santorum's name to that list. I just have a feeling in my gut that it's coming. I wouldn't want to look under his mattress.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 04:09 PM
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38. I swear, America doesn't care.
They're busy changing out there kitchen faucet, or their garden sprinkler system, or refinancing their house, or looking for a job.

I could post "Americans don't care" for every post on this forum. And it would be mostly true.

The only thing that is going to change this country around is something that hits every American where it hurts.

Politicians sleeping with children just isn't enough.

I can't believe this sick country.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:05 PM
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40. I live 10 miles from Oswego
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 05:08 PM by Twist_U_Up
I was born in Oswego Hospital my brother is a policeman in the Oswego PD.

Theses Repugs that run Oswego would fit nicely into the Bush cartel.

The report fails to mention the drugs that were supposedly offered also
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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:57 PM
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45. Thank you DUers for all your recommendations nt
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blue agave Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:05 PM
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46. You the List Keeper - keep it going ! eom
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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:07 PM
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47. The sad part is these pukes have made keeping this list a job nt
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opusprime Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:24 AM
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48. Great list...
That'll be a good one to keep around.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:26 PM
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50. Pro-life family values, huh? (nt)
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HippieCowgirl Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:39 PM
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51. Good list but flawed
You need to take the "Allegedly" and "Taken into custody" listings out. The list needs to contain only convicted criminals.

Remember that we are all innocent until proven guilty.

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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:30 PM
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53. Thank you for the advise . Nt
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:43 PM
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52. Repression cause sexual deviants
wasn't that nice BTK killer in Kansas a GOPer, church going hypocrit?
What was Ted Bundy? LOL or the Green River killer? Betcha dollars to donuts they were supposedly GOP uber xtians!
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