"Baker-Carter commission recommends national voter ID card"

[dbeach]

JIMMY IS HANGIN WITH THE WRONG CROWD

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/BakerCarter_commission_recommends_national_v_0919.html
Baker-Carter commission recommends national voter ID card
John Byrne


"A voting reform commission which has already taken heat for playing host to sham voting rights groups run by members of the Bush-Cheney campaign has now recommended the institution of a national voter ID card.

Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), who led investigation into rampant voting irregularities in Ohio during the 2004 presidential election, quickly attacked the report. Staff estimated that millions of people would be made ineligible to vote should if legislation were enacted.

"I am shocked that this Commission has decided to take us several giant steps back in the march for voting rights by recommending a national ID requirement for voters," Conyers said in a statement. "This would inevitably disenfranchise minority voters and the most vulnerable among us -- those who live in poverty and the elderly. Rather than gathering facts and then developing policy recommendations that follow from those facts, this Commission appeared to have developed its recommendations and simply went through the motions of a fair and deliberative process. At the very first hearing of this Commission, this voter ID proposal was mentioned twenty-two times."

He said civil rights groups had essentially been 'barred' from testifying"

[GreenArrow]

1. "your papers, please"

Toxic crap.

[acmejack]

2. Ever nearer looms the shoals of totalitarianism.

They will get their national ID card one way or the other. And Tommy Thompsons Company is selling (and IMPLANTING) devices called

[BayCityProgressive]

4. wow

Carter proposes this? Well fuck him right up the ass then. I hear din Georgia you have to pay $35 for one.

[me b zola]

22. The return of the poll tax

Well, the repukes have been saying that they intend to turn back the Voting Rights Act--and they are keeping their word.

Folks, we can not wait for '06. We must get out in our communities NOW.





Those sons of a bitches. WTF has happened to Carter? Does he have Alzheimer's? :grr:

[firefox]

3. National ID card has already passed

National ID is already coming. The only thing needed for elections is a mark indicating a person is an American citizen says Carter. And it is not a poll tax because it is free.

[charlie]

6. The so-called Real ID

is a state-issued driver's license (or ID card, for those who don't drive). I'm not aware of a provision in the bill that mandates it be provided for free. Unless there is one, it's a poll tax.

[firefox]

7. Carter and Baker talked about it last night on tv

The Real ID Act will require certain information and uniformity. Now maybe people have to pay for a driver's license, but if someone does not have a driver's license the report recommended that they get their card for free.

The story is just starting.

[charlie]

10. Yes, the report recommends it

But the bill doesn't require it.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

43. nt

nt

[applegrove]

5. If national ID would have stopped ATTA - let it be. In Canada they

jumped up the value of health cards and made it a three week process to get them. That is the price you pay for each provincial free health plan. Picture ID that is security tight.

And it has cut down on fraud etc.

We have the tools to put stuff like this in place. Why not use them to fight the war on terror. Then the troops can come home sooner. There will be fewer attacks.

[charlie]

9. False premise

IF it would have stopped Atta. Big assumption to make, that the likes of Atta couldn't procure a phony or ill-gotten Real ID. Nor does it mean it would be desirable. Full strip-down body cavity searches for all mass transit patrons would've thwarted Atta as well. Most Americans oppose the idea of a national ID card.

Also, your health cards are for a single service. In a single province. Not remotely the same as national ID required for virtually any activity the federal government wishes to monitor.

[applegrove]

11. It is no big deal. If you are not breaking the law - you don't have to

worry. Someone you is very islamic - perhaps they have to worry. But not you.

[charlie]

12. Boggling

Hard to believe you'd use that trite "if you're not breaking the law" cover to excuse bad legislation from an increasingly authoritarian state.

And you can't stop someone intent on havoc by merely redefining him out of existence. That the recent perpetrators of terrorism here were Islamists doesn't mean that hence and forevermore all future attacks will be by Islamists.

You've got a lot of faith in the goodness of our Republicans (and some of our clueless Democrats) to think I've got nothing to worry about.

[applegrove]

15. Other countries have this. In Canada a driver's license has always

been a legal document with much proof needed before you get one.
All over the world - governments are keeping up with technology and getting a handle on who is in their countries.

It is either constructive things like this you do - or Bush will have his way - be able to inspire more fear and go for perpetual war as a policy instead of perpetual education.

[dbeach]

17. CHILLING THOUGHTS

"Bush will have his way " God ... scary thoughts and he blinks and smirks his way into another corporat excuse for more power and control





- "be able to inspire more fear and go for perpetual war as a policy instead of perpetual education."'

I think we are about there..endless wars for endless corporat profits..

[charlie]

19. Canada doesn't have a national ID

And the issue isn't exactly a copacetic one for some. Maybe you should talk to some of your fellow citizens and find out why.

Driver's licenses are much the same here as there. I fail to understand why you keep conflating relatively narrow purpose IDs with a full federal one.

And this -- "governments are keeping up with technology and getting a handle on who is in their countries" -- is an apology for Orwellianism. There's no imperative that gov'ts need to "keep up" with technology to track citizens. They need to make best efforts, fully cognizant and respectful of guaranteed rights and freedoms. Setting up a national apparatus that's primed for further encroachments on liberties under the rubric of just seeing who's who is not one of them.

Finally, your advice to cede to Republicans on this matter so we can thwart Bush... I don't know what to say, except it's staggeringly bad advice.

[applegrove]

24. Making the country safer so that Bush cannot use fear & war to

hide his elite policies?

Sorry. Canada has both driver's licenses which are tough to get. And now health care cards by province that are filled with a myriad of technology and verification.

We have ten provinces - you have 50. What makes more sense?

Cameras in public places & national ID cards are an efficient way to keep terrorists from slipping in and pretending to be normal.

There is in fact an Islamist terrorist group that is trying to start revolution in Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines - not to mention the Middle East and parts of Europe. Why should the world know who the bad guys are and follow them better than they did during 9/11?

[charlie]

26. You are idealistically naive

to think that a monstrously granular and precise monitoring of the citizenry by the government is the key to a "safe" country. And to suggest that awarding that level of control to the very miscreants trashing every shred of trust and accountability in our institutions will somehow hamstring them is frankly, bizarre.

And again, your attempts to assure me that I shouldn't be concerned because my gov't is "only hunting Islamists" belies a level of trust in politicians, and more pointedly, US Republicans, that I don't share.

[applegrove]

27. I think identifying the illegal people and yes - having some idea

if they go to flight school or chemical truck school or whatever is important. What would your country be if they didn't start monitoring fertilizer sales after Oaklahoma.

Now come on. You don't think just the farmers should have files opened on them? Not just the farmers?

[charlie]

29. What does that have to do with a national ID?

That's the topic here. You're arguing for national surveillance of the entire population, every movement, every transaction, which is magnitudes more dangerous than the targetted tracking above. Here's something you should consider -- our security apparatus knew about the terrorist's enrollments in flight schools, without the benefit of Big Brother powers over the populace. Didn't do much good, did it?

[applegrove]

30. I'm just saying that after Oklahoma - the farmers had to be under the

surveillance. Why not you. So nobody dies in a terrorist attack? So the fear is reduced and the excuse for more "war" is gone.

[charlie]

31. Under limited surveillance for specific activities

That's how it's done in a country that's still somewhat mindful of preserving the rights and freedoms of it's citizens. Not, there's terrorists afoot, so we've gotta build a surveillance state to track everybody in as close to real time as possible.

[applegrove]

32. Well you cannot. So cameras in public places - like with so many

store security - will go a long way to preventing crime - or, at the worst, prosecuting it.

[charlie]

33. Cannot yet.

And again, specifically purposed, locally controlled surveillance like a store camera is not remotely the same as a nationally administered one. Not even close.

[applegrove]

34. In public places there are more and more cameras. Then in Britain

they tried to put them in neighbourhoods that had high crime. I think they concluded that these things didn't so much stop crime as much as they helped put criminals away.

I don't think there will ever be day when cameras are everywhere. That is just totally un-realistic.

[charlie]

35. Yes, it's possible

Yes, it's certainly possible to eventually have cameras in enough places to track anyone who's not outside a town or city. Especially if they're not resisted as the infrastructure to accomodate and coordinate them grows.

But, they don't need to be. Having a national ID required for movement and transactions will keep you from disappearing out of range for long.

[applegrove]

36. Well I don't see that in the future. But hey - I'm not a futurist.

[charlie]

38. ?

Don't know what to make of that futurist remark -- flip, cheeky, humorous? -- but hey, neither am I.

[applegrove]

39. No - was not meant as snide. Just that I don't spend much time

guessing or imagining the future. Not into science fiction - unless it is written as a parable on human truths. I am just not into it. Didn't mean to imply you were or that there is something wrong with having an interest that differs from mine.

Peace :hippie:

[charlie]

40. Okay

Predicting that the feds (who just happen to be largely under the thumb of Bush and the Republicans right now) will abuse such powers ceded them is hardly "science fiction", more like a dull I've-seen-this-one-before rerun.

Good night :)

[earth mom]

41. Who are the terrorists?

That is the question....

Did you ever stop to think that the g'ment here likes all of us peeps in this country to be terrorized? Kinda keeps us in line, doncha think?

FYI-ID cards are not for watchin the terra-ists. Oh no. They're for keeping an eye on citizens!

Uh...excuse me...but where is the freedom in being watched 24/7?!

[applegrove]

44. If they give you an ID card you are not being watched 24/7. Only

when you get on a plane or cross a border.

[applegrove]

45. The terrorists are anyone who would mame or kill civilians just to

score some sick point or creat terror.

Yes - Bush has used fear created after 9/11 politically. ID cards will help the people looking for terrorists a great deal. Then they and we can stand down a bit. And fear will be a lesser part of politics than the greater part it is now.

[arcos]

8. Lots of countries have national ID card...

Mine does, and I have no problem. Since everyone HAS to have an ID card, you are automatically registered to vote... no need to convince people to register or deadlines you can miss, no legal problems on what is a legitimate proof of citizenship, etc.

[dbeach]

13. 9/11 becomes the defining moment

for the fraudulent bush administration..


NO TERRSIST CAUGHT and no bush govt officals held acountable for the crime of the century. the US taxpayer will pay for all this security that will accomplish NOTHING except insure more draconian laws to sacrifice Liberty for security

Trust any bush or repuke laws at your own risk..

[dbeach]

14. Sign Conyers petition

http://johnconyers.com/

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

16. I have always been shocked that ID WAS'NT required to vote

You have to have an id to:

rent a video
cash a check
get a hotel room
get a job
enter the country
fly on an airline
rent a car
set up a bank account

so, why wouldn't you need one to vote? The only issue for me is that Voter IDs be free, fast and accessible. Maybe every elementary school and every post office should have an access point which needs to be no more than one person who can witness the form and take the picture. Or, we could even send out vans like "bookmobiles" into neighborhoods on a regular basis to register people and get their voting IDs.

I used to be paranoid about the whole "we want your papers" thing, but face it - the world has already moved way beyond that point.

The best thing coming out of the Carter-Baker report was the need for verifiable paper trails and it would be a shame to see that get lost under this wrong-headed objection to this very minor (in my opinion) point.

[cynatnite]

48. Last election all they asked for was my name....nothing else

I could've been anyone or someone else could have been me.

It's unnerving to think someone could walk in and give the name of whoever and vote without checking to see who they said they were.

These are elections and it seems like they are treated so carelessly.

Some kind of ID should be required when voting as well as paper trails. Society cares more about paper trails for their money than making sure elections are fair and transparent.

[earth mom]

18. More ominous developments...

Looks like ole Jimmy has been drinking Kool Aid over at the Bushes. Or maybe he believes the "official" 9/11 story and is afraid of terra-ists.

He would do well to click this link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

[seemslikeadream]

20. Dean's statement

For Immediate Release
September 19, 2005

Contact: Amaya Smith - 202-863-8148

Dean Statement on Baker-Carter Commission Report
National Voter ID Would Disenfranchise Millions of Voters

Washington, DC-Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean
issued the following statement in response to the report issued by the
Baker-Carter Commission on Federal Election Reform, which called for the
implementation of a national voter ID requirement. Such a move would
make it more difficult for Americans to exercise their right to vote, as
voter ID requirements disproportionately place an additional burden on
poor people, seniors, minorities, rural voters, and disabled Americans.
Even Supreme Court Chief Justice Nominee John Roberts recently stated
that "without access to the ballot box, people are not in the position
to protect any other rights that are important to them" and that the
right to vote ensures all other rights and is the "most precious right
that we have as Americans."

"The right to vote is a fundamental freedom and a fundamental
underpinning of our democracy," said DNC Chairman Dean. "The right
to vote also ensures every American the opportunity to participate in
our democracy. And given that only 60 percent of eligible voters
participated in the last election, we should do everything we can to
make it easier for people to exercise their right to vote, not harder.
As Democrats have previously stated, we should also take steps to
restore Americans' confidence that they will not only have the
opportunity to vote but the right to have that vote counted.

"The DNC is concerned and disappointed that the Baker-Carter
Commission on Federal Election Reform, over the strong dissent of some
of its most distinguished members, has seen fit to support a 'national
ID card' that threatens to deny the right to vote to millions of
citizens who are lawfully registered and eligible to do so. The
commission's recommendations create additional bureaucratic barriers
to the ballot box, despite the fact - as the Commission itself concedes
- that there is simply no evidence of the kind of widespread
impersonation fraud that could remotely justify imposing such a new
obstacle. In Ohio, the League of Women Voters found only four instances
of impersonation out of 9 million votes, and the Secretary of State of
Georgia reported that there was not a single instance of voter fraud
during her tenure.

"On a positive note, the commission attempts to address these
challenges by recommending national ID's with no associated costs. The
commission also highlighted the need for a paper trail, which we also
agree with. Unfortunately, while there are a number of positive
recommendations in the Baker-Carter Commission's report, their support
for a national voter ID creates barriers, not bridges, to voting.

"I agree with the late Justice Thurgood Marshall: the right to vote
is a cherished and fundamental right that should be respected and
protected by our Democracy. In the face of voting irregularities in
states like Ohio and Florida, and a new recognition by the government
that those living in poverty have been consistently left behind, now is
not the time to restrict the right of all Americans to fully participate
in our democracy."

**********

Paid for and authorized by the Democratic National Committee,
www.democrats.org . This communication is not authorized by any
candidate or candidate's committee.

[Octafish]

21. Go Conyers, Go!

Listened to Air America Radio on the way back from the rabbit tonight. John Conyers told Randi Rhodes that the National Voter ID would be an updated "poll tax," a costly encumbrance that might serve to prevent 10-percent of the population from voting -- about 19 million people.

Thanks for the heads-up, dbeach!

[seemslikeadream]

23. Carter's involvement in the Haitian elections was shameful

The PNAC agenda started getting defined by Carter's NSA guy and Presidential Advisor Brzezinski in this book "The Grand Chessboard" and when you look at his South America policy, things get downright ugly. The galvanizing Pearl Harbor needed for the New World Order to start was mentioned in Brezinski's book.

Carter's involvement in the Haitian elections that saw Aristide to power was shameful. Up until the night before he was hammering Aristide to withdraw, telling him he didn't have a chance in hell as he was pushing for the US/World Bank candidate "Marc Bazin".

In the meantime... Note that nobody from the Kerry/Edwards campaign is on the Carter-Baker Commission, the reverse however...

The Carter-Baker Commission on Elections
Corporate Conflicts of Interest and Bi-Partisan Myopia
By LINDA SCHADE and KEVIN ZEESE

(snip)

Sadly, the Carter-Baker Commission has compromised itself at the outset by including a figure with an embarrassing corporate conflict of interest on the key question of vote counts. Ralph Munro is the Chairman of VoteHere, a company with millions invested in the 'vote verification' market. VoteHere is literally banking on the successful marketing of their cryptographic product as the verification method in spite of the fact that voter-verified paper ballots are the solution most recommended by independent computer security experts. Munro should recuse himself to save the Commission from further awkwardness. And, Commission Co-Chair James Baker is invested of the Carlyle Group which owns another voting machine company. The Commission should avoid such improprieties.

(snip)

http://www.counterpunch.org/schade04182005.html

----The Half-Baked Baker Carter Commission
By David Swanson


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Related stories: Democracy matters 4-20-05, 9:13 am

So, Jimmy Carter and James Baker are sitting at a table, and Carter starts talking about the disastrous election of 2000 in Florida.... It sounds like the start of a joke. It was actually the start of the first meeting of the Baker-Carter Commission on Federal Election Reform in Washington, D.C., on April 18th. Baker didn't do much bragging about his role in Florida. In fact, there was more than one occasion during the meeting on which Baker notably kept silent. But, more on that later.

The primary question in the minds of many people I spoke to in the meeting and outside it was: "What the heck is James Baker doing on a commission to reform elections?" Former President Carter said more than once that Baker had been his first choice to co-chair the commission and was his second favorite Republican (second to Gerald Ford). Carter and Baker once worked together on monitoring elections in Nicaragua. Baker said he was encouraged to participate by President Bush and Republican party leaders.

Some background on the creation of this odd-couple commission can be found on Brad Blog, which reports that a group called the American Center for Voting Rights appeared out of nowhere on March 17th, was the only voting rights organization to testify at a U.S. House committee hearing on the 2004 election on March 21st, and praised the Baker-Carter Commission on March 24th just 24 minutes after its creation was announced to the surprise of real voting rights groups. ACVR, as Brad Blog reports, was created by Jim Dyke, the Communications Director for the Republican National Committee and Mark F. (Thor) Hearne, the lead National Counsel for Bush/Cheney '04 Inc. The group's tax status is 501c3, which requires that its activities be non-partisan, and its representative never mentioned in congressional testimony its relationship with the RNC and Bush/Cheney.

Those involved in voting rights issues are aware that, unlike Republican-chaired hearings in Washington, hearings held in Ohio in the months following last year's election included many points of view and resulted in a 102-page report on election fraud in that state. The driving force behind those hearings and the subsequent January challenge to the Ohio results in Congress was Ranking Democratic Member of the House Judiciary Committee John Conyers.

Hence the second question in many people's minds on Monday: "Why the heck wasn't Congressman Conyers testifying at this meeting?" The short answer is that the commission would not allow him to do so. A letter that Conyers sent to Carter on April 11 sheds some light on why.

In this letter, Conyers does two things that were not done by any speakers on Monday. He questions the inclusion of Baker on the commission, and he questions the validity of the official results in the Bush-Kerry election.


That's right. An election reform commission has been created in the wake of massive public outrage over an election, and following the historic challenge in Congress of the Ohio results, and not a single speaker at Monday's meeting raised the question of whether the election system functioned adequately to conclude that Bush won the 2004 election.

Monday's meeting was not referred to as a public hearing, and the public was not invited. The 21 commission members heard presentations from 12 speakers on three panels, then met in private for an hour, posed for a photo, and held a press conference at which Carter and Baker took four questions from the press.

(snip)

--David Swanson is a board member of Progressive Democrats of America.
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/980/1/89

[seemslikeadream]

25. Papers, Please!

Papers, Please!
National ID Legislation Passes
Tuesday May 10th 2005 is the day that future historians will note as The Day America Changed. On this date, the Senate of the United States of America passed legislation that will bring about a national ID card. President G. W. Bush is expected to sign the bill on May 12th 2005. The national ID card scheme will take three years to implement.

A National ID Card.
In the United States of America.
The question is whether May 10th 2005 will be known as the day the American people simply rolled over and accepted this, or as the beginning of a struggle to restore our birthright?

Will the individual States resist federal encroachment on their rights under the US Constitution? Will those responsible for this unconstitutional atrocity be booted out of office in the 2006 mid-term elections? Will those who believe that a national ID number is truly the Mark of the Beast make their voices heard? Will those who fear a surveillance state work to expel totalitarians from power?

>> Sign up for updates...

Stay tuned. This is not over. God bless these United States of America.



http://www.unrealid.com/index.html

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

28. we're way down the path of the surveillance state!

whether you know it or not, you have:

black boxes on your car that may give insurance companies info in case of an accident

public surveillance all over the place- public areas

private surveillance all over the place- your workplace - private area

medical info all over the place

credit info all over the place

buying habits all over the place -(your grocery shopping card shows how much beer you buy)

web surfing habits all over the place

travel info all over the place


What Wonderland do you live in that you think there is even one itsy-bitsy, teensy-weensy bit of privacy left? We are the Glass House Society. We all live in them and it's really easy to find and throw stones.


+

[dbeach]

50. best stop at that stop sign

don't run the red lights..BIG BRO is on to all.

the surveillance tech is all in place..and worse on the way..does it lead to a complete police state? a prison planet?

My wife grew up in USSR and its shocking to hear how the average citizen there could not own properety..had no savings accounts..could not speak freely..KGB watched the churches...she was taught that the Americans would nuke them at any moent..talk about rule by fear..

even doctors were used as govt agents

permission was needed to pass through certain areas....

soviet style road blocks

WOW!

So do I need to sign papers and show ID to drive down to my local surf spot..is this the bush vision and repuke plAns for the USA???

[RepublicanElephant]

37. identity theives will have a field day with this...

...better hope you don't lose this at the mall.

[LibertyorDeath]

42. I think they want a Revolution

We are being pushed & tested & provoked.

Somethings gonna give.

Fascism is at the gate.

We have been sold out by those who should represent us.

They bow down to the ones they serve "The haves & have more"

Corporate America has the Nation in a strangle hold along with Diebold
Rove Cheney Bolton Rice Rumsfeld Negroponte Chertoff Gonzales
The SCOTUS Congress The Senate Pentagon DHS they are Killing America.

[dbeach]

46. DOA

We are the last chance for this great nation..

NONE shalll lead us..cuz its only us still resisting...

soon enough the masks will come off

"..now its a monster and will not obey..America where are you now ? don't you care about your sons and daughters.?

.don't you know we need you now we can't fight alone against this monster.."?

[LibertyorDeath]

51. Well said dbeach

Never thought I'd see it in my life time but there it is staring us in the face the ugly maw of a fascist America.

[seemslikeadream]

49. It's like the people you want them to rebel

The state of union



The people live in misery
Govemment a work
But govemment them is a monckery
Respect to the youths
Whether in front and all dem a back a me
Why don't you treat them the way you should
And I know all the things you hide
Even though it's a good disguise
And we see all the things you do
And what you do will comeback on you
You think we can't fight what the eyes can't see
Because we are blinded by poverty

The people live in misery
Govemment a work
But govemment them is a monckery
Respect to the youths
Whether in front and all dem a back a me
Why don't you treat them the way you should

The people live in misery
Govemment a work
But govemment them is a monckery
Respect to the youths
Whether in front and all dem a back a me
Why don't you treat them the way you should

It's like the people you want them to rebel
And fire gunshots and burn buildings to hell
And after that you a go want treat me well
It's like you have the people under a spell
Talking to the people in a congress
A we vote you in, so you must put out your best
After all we no in a contest
It's the state of the union address

The people live in misery
Govemment a work
But govemment them is a monckery
Respect to the youths
Whether in front and all dem a back a me
Why don't you treat them the way you should

The people live in misery
Govemment a work
But govemment them is a monckery
Respect to the youths
Whether in front and all dem a back a me
Why don't you treat them the way you should

Broadcasting lies on the television sreen
Trying to get us hooked on your american dream
We up on your games if you know wha me mean
When you cheated on your wife with your money and your schemes
People rule and a that you fi follow
We and nuh no call me no nigga
Do a good term and you deserve another
Signed musically yours, the general sleepywonder

The people live in misery
Govemment a work
But govemment them is a monckery
Respect to the youths
Whether in front and all dem a back a me
Why don't you treat them the way you should

The people live in misery
Govemment a work
But govemment them is a monckery
Respect to the youths
Whether in front and all dem a back a me
Why don't you treat them the way you should

Thievery Corporation

[seemslikeadream]

47. OMFG. THE USA IS FAST BECOMING NICARAGUA AND CHILE!

http://www.lawg.org/misc/publications-manuals.htm

Democrats, liberals, peace activists, and 'We the People' are being
defined as 'terrorists' and 'insurgents.'
And we have so many damn stadiums to put us in.

This is the Big Brother national ID card the Pentagon tells other
countries to use to control dissent!

This is straight out of the military control tactics tought at the
School of the Americas Dictatorship College in Fort Benning Georgia.



Now we know that NORTH AMERICA is included, not just Central and South
Americas. Permanent oil war overseas requires a police-state at home.
This is what Reagan and Oliver North set up FEMA to do back in the
1980s, stifle dissent during wartime by treating protesters as terrorists.

READ THIS AND SEE OUR OWN COUNTRY WITH US AS 'INSURGENTS.'

"From the army manual "Counterintelligence":

"CIVILIAN SECURITY: In all cases the mission of the military forces has
priority over the well-being of the civilians in the area. Examples of
the civilian security measures are:

Systematic registering of the civilian personnel, including the neutral
foreigners and enemies: This is done by the civilian affairs agency and
includes the distribution of rationing cards, work permits, travel
permits and permits for crossing borders....

Surveillance of suspect political groups: one should find out whether
other groups are sympathetic to enemy cause. Such groups must always be
considered potential agents." ("Counterintelligence," pp. 10-11)

"Figure #2

Black Lists

THESE CONTAIN THE IDENTITIES AND LOCATIONS OF PERSONS WHOSE CAPTURE AND
DETENTION ARE OF FOREMOST IMPORTANCE TO THE ARMED FORCES.

"We have already seen how a relatively small number of individuals can
come to control an organization by infiltration and fixed elections.
The government can inform itself in a timely way about insurgents'
activity in these organizations, by placing its agents in all organizations
that it suspects could interest the insurgent group. Among the main
organizations of this type can be mentioned political parties, unions and
youth and student groups."

(Hell, this is COINTELPRO made 'legal' by the PATRIOTACT.)

Here's the whole article about School of the Americas which is now
about you and me, my friends.

http://www.lawg.org/misc/publications-manuals.htm