Holy hell...(Iraq photos)

[BreweryYardRat]

This link comes courtesy of the Something Awful forums, where I tend to lurk. The poster's brother was over in Iraq, got leave, and brought these photos (many of them linked) back. We ought to send these to anyone who supports the war. Especially the one of the mother shielding her children. If I wasn't already against the war, that would have done it for me.

And of course, there's the inevitable question: How many of the people in these photos were civilians who screwed up/panicked and got shot? Obviously not all of them (the dude toting an RPG deserved what he got), but we're never going to know now, are we?

Let me note, before you click this, the photos he's marked as NWS are completely, totally not work safe. VERY SICK SHIT.

Here's the link:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=60bd261e5fa8b6862608681e2e95677a&threadid=1672449

[OhioChick]

1. Beware........

Very, very graphic.

[Renew Deal]

2. That's about as graphic as you get.

I only looked at a couple. They are brutal.

[Rick Myers]

3. Holy SHIT! VERY GRAPHIC!

That's some sick shit. If our guys are sending home pix like that, Post Traumatic Stress from this is gonna make Vietnam look tame!!! God help these guys!!!

[wtmusic]

4. Yeah that dude toting an RPG sure deserved what he got

for defending his own country :eyes:

[BreweryYardRat]

11. See, I have to disagree with you...

Peaceful protest has been proven to work as a means of getting occupiers out. See Ghandi.

Firing RPGs at Humvees, and the soldiers inside...not so much.

I can understand how they feel. They've got a bunch of our troops in their country, and some of them are sick bastards who take advantage of the situation. See Abu Ghraib. But firing RPGs at random U.S. vehicles doesn't solve anything. At all. It just kills/maims other people, some of whom probably didn't want to be there, and escalates the situation, leading to more violence and death on both sides.

[wtmusic]

18. Yeah I guess if North Korea invaded us

Bush should call for a massive sit-in at the North Korean embassy. 'Cause violence doesn't solve anything--it just escalates the situation, leading to more violence and death on both sides.

That would show them!

[BreweryYardRat]

29. Strawman...

I was anticipating something like this. We're not North Korea. Or Nazi Germany. Or Saddam. Or Milosevic. We don't do genocide or mass graves. Violent resistance isn't necessary in this situation, and leads to more needless deaths.

There are some situations where resisting an invasion requires violence. The French who fought the Nazis shouldn't have sat down and protested. That wouldn't have gotten them anywhere. They should have done exactly what they did-fight.

If the US were to be invaded by a country willing to commit genocide, then I'd be one of the first fighting back. But in Iraq, it's not necessary for them to fight back. We're not going to kill them just because of their faith, or because of their skin color. If they want to protest peacefully, that's fine and dandy. But I can't support Iraqis firing RPGs at US troops. In this situation, its unnecessary and pointless, and all it does is perpetuate the violence.

[wtmusic]

34. bullshit

Bull-fucking-shit. (I was anticipating some crap like this myself).

You apparently think the US has a fucking halo flying over its head and somehow the people we've murdered don't count. Call it what you will--we've killed 100,000 innocent people in the last two years. 100,000 people whose only crime was defending their own country from a foreign invasion.

Are we supposed to ask our invaders whether they're going to commit genocide? Awful easy of you to tell them "it's not necessary to fight back" from your computer desk. It's not a strawman at all, and as a matter of fact the IDEA that it IS a strawman reveals the ugly, condescending, racist (yes RACIST) ethnocentric worldview which got us into this mess.

This is the attitude that drives the war and it is insane.

[BreweryYardRat]

37. Where the hell did I say I thought the US was perfect?!

We're not. These photos prove it. Some of those horribly killed people were civilians. Every civilian who's died in "collateral damage", we're responsible for the vast majority of them, if not all of them. That's one of the reasons I'm against this war. But I don't feel sorry for the insurgents.

What I said initially, was that the guy toting an RPG got what he deserved. He was taking (or going to take) shots at our troops. Even if he'd missed, those soldiers would have been nervous from their close call. Nervous soldiers tend to shoot first and ask questions later. Which almost certainly means more dead civilians.

If he hadn't missed, they'd be dead. And in addition to their deaths, their deaths would have made their buddies nervous. See point above.

[Tace]

40. You're A Bad Joke

[BreweryYardRat]

49. Me?

If you're calling me a bad joke for not feeling sorry about the death of a guy who would have cheerfully turned a bunch of people into bloody meat, fuck off.

You'll note that I'm not supporting the war, just taking a slightly more centrist view of it.

[metisnation]

81. seawolf

there are other blue dogs here too. The reasons and the policies are a sham...but the troops are there just doing what they are told by upper management and survival in an area that we created hostility in.

:dem:

[BreweryYardRat]

85. Thanks.

[wtmusic]

44. Absurd

So now it's the Iraqis fault for making us nervous and killing them??? WTF are you thinking?

Let me give you a clue on how to approach this thing. You can tell all your buddies who agree with you, and maybe it will spread like wildfire and end the war:

Put yourself in their place. You would defend your country to the hilt (just as I would) if it were invaded--whether there was genocide or not.

Put yourself in their place. If a foreign government invaded and began to steal your country's natural resources, you'd fight your ass off to stop them.

Put yourself in their place. Someone comes to tell you they have a wonderful and new form of government, a government which commits disgusting tortures and sexual abuses on its prisoners and refuses to punish those responsible. A government which razes your hometown without checking to see who lives there first. A government which claims it is spreading democracy while building 14 permanent military bases and clearly would never leave, even if asked. You wouldn't believe them--and you'd fight to stop them.

Put yourself in their place. It works.

[BreweryYardRat]

56. Fuck, I don't know why I'm arguing...

You're misinterpreting my statements. Did I say it was Iraqi civilians' fault that our troops are killing them. Fuck no.

It's the fault of the troops who are nervous and trigger-happy because of that, and it's the fault of the insurgents, like RPG-dude, who contribute to that nervousness by turning our guys into bloody meat almost at random.

I won't shed any tears for RPG-dude, and if Bush, or Cheney, or Rumsfeld, was to drop dead tomorrow, I wouldn't shed any tears for him either. The deaths of innocents are on all heads equally.

[walldude]

69. The biggest flaw in your logic is you

know nothing about "rpg-man". For all you know he found his wife and children dead 3 days before. I know if we were invaded and my family members were dying I'd have an RPG in my hands too...

[mike_c]

75. the insurgents are civilians....

They're people fighting to rid their country of a foreign occupier. What do you think, that they're all "terra-ists?"

[Donailin]

95. Who decides who is innocent?

The insurgency is not innocent? Says who? You mean to tell me that if your country is inavded and occupiers are roaming in your neighborhood randomly shooting anyone who looks . . . white. . . you wouldn't consider retaliation? Would that make you "guilty"?

War is wrong, and this war is not only wrong, it is illegally wrong. You don't like that American soldiers are dying? Take it up with Bush, but I for one will never say "it's the fault of rpg dude" who is on the soil of HIS country.

[Donailin]

92. Right here:

>>I was anticipating something like this. We're not North Korea. Or Nazi Germany. Or Saddam. Or Milosevic. We don't do genocide or mass graves. <<

The fuck we don't. Like the pictures in the OP and the bodies of our men in coffins and general war coverage, we don't see HALF the crap our government does in the name in "freedom and democracy"

This "America" that we know and love would not exist if not for the genocide our ancestors commited on the indigenous peoples.. The wealth we enjoy would not be possible if it weren't for the legal slavery we embraced. And the very fact that the war we are in is a direct result of neo-fascism gives your argument ZERO credibility.

We have no business invading Iraq, and the people who are fighting us there are simply "bringing it on" -- but I guess you are of the opinion "better there than here" in which case I would strongly suggest you join the FreeRepublic where you can converse with like minds.

[zanne]

139. I'm with you, wtmusic

Being polite doesn't help you when someone invades your country. If there was no violence against us in Iraq, we'd be in Syria and Iran by now. We're not there to "save" Iraqis. Anybody who believes that we are is living in a bubble.

[Greyhound]

36. I don't know where you live, but it sure as hell isn't amerika. We have

become nazi Germany. It's still the 30's and I suppose, since we aren't rounding up and killing the dissenters yet, you're going to argue this point as well. The parallels are way too scary and, like nazi Germany, we may well unite the world... against us.

[Sterling]

51. "We don't do genocide or mass graves."

You must have missed the whole course not just a few days. American Indians ring a bell to yuou?

[BreweryYardRat]

58. In modern times, we don't...

[arikara]

108. Please don't kid yourself...

Mass graves full of Iraqi's slaughtered in Iraq 1 courtesy of poppy. Some horribly buried in the sand alive with bulldozers. And all of the sins of the son haven't seen the light of day yet.

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0211/sloyan.html

<snip>

The artillery barrage alone was enough to cause a slaughter. A 30-minute bombardment by howitzers and multiple-launch rockets scattering thousands of tiny bomblets preceded the attack by 8,400 American soldiers riding in 3,000 M1A2 Abrams main battle tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles, Humvees, armored personnel carriers and other vehicles.

It wasn’t until late in the afternoon of Feb. 25 that the press pool was permitted to see where the attack occurred. There were groups of Iraqi prisoners. About 2,000 had surrendered. But there were no bodies, no stench of feces that hovers on a battlefield, no blood stains, no bits of human beings. “You get a little firefight in Vietnam and the bodies would be stacked up like cordwood,” Daniel said. Finally, Daniel found the Division public affairs officer, an Army major.

“Where the hell are all the bodies?” Daniel said.

“What bodies?” the officer replied.

Daniel and the rest of the world would not find out until months later why the dead had vanished. Thousands of Iraqi soldiers, some of them alive and firing their weapons from World War I-style trenches, were buried by plows mounted on Abrams main battle tanks. The Abrams flanked the trench lines so that tons of sand from the plow spoil funneled into the trenches. Just behind the tanks, actually straddling the trench line, came M2 Bradleys pumping 7.62mm machine gun bullets into the Iraqi troops.

“I came through right after the lead company,” said Army Col. Anthony Moreno, who commanded the lead brigade during the 1st Mech’s assault. “What you saw was a bunch of buried trenches with people’s arms and legs sticking out of them. For all I know, we could have killed thousands.”

<snip>

[leesa]

123. Wow! You are really out of touch!

[Richard Steele]

126. Tell that to the folks in Falluja.

We forced fleeing civilians back into a city
we were turning to rubble;
even today we still FORBID any reporters from
going there and seeing what we did.

I'm sorry, but you are living in a dream world.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. You missed your course on the Indian Wars

didn't you? we have done mass graves

Ok lets go for something far more recent, does the name May Lai ring a bell?

I swear they don't teach them kids history at them fancy schools no more, if they ever did

[BreweryYardRat]

60. And as I recall,

The people responsible for My Lai were punished. As far as the Indian wars, yeah. I'd like to think we've learned something from that.

[mike_c]

78. the person responsible for My Lai became secretary of state...

...for crying out loud. Lt. Calley was the ONLY one of 14 accused (and numerous others, e.g. Colin Powell, who were never charged) to be convicted. He served TWO DAYS of a life sentence in prison, then was released by order of Richard Nixon. He was under house arrest for 3.5 yrs, then his sentence was commuted by a federal judge.

"The people responsible for My Lai were punished."

I think the previous posters' comments about your grasp of history-- or lack of it-- are spot on.

[BreweryYardRat]

84. Modern history is not my strong suit...

..as we can see. ;) I had not heard about the aftermath. All I thought I knew was that parties responsible had been punished. I was wrong. Thank you for enlightening me.

However, at least the war in Iraq hasn't sunk to the level of the Mongols yet. Hopefully we won't ever have to see the heads of an entire city's worth of people, and their pets, being piled outside it. I don't think even Bush could get away with that. Or high-ranking prisoners being systematically stomped to death over the course of an evening.

Mind not accusing me of knowing nothing about history? ;)

[mike_c]

88. point taken, and no offense intended....

As for the Mongols, I suspect the ONLY reason we haven't piled heads beside the city gates in Iraq is because the engines of terror have changed-- carpet bombing is just as effective in the long run-- and war is a semi-public sport these days, in which the home front can judge military actions in close to real time.

[BreweryYardRat]

91. Geesh, bit cynical there, aren't ya?

But yeah, no offense taken. At least you're not bringing up the Indian Wars (which I do know some small amount about, despite some folks' statements-I can discuss Chief Joseph, the Trail of Tears, and the slaughter of the buffalo in broad terms). Jesus, do I have to say "no genocide/mass graves in this century?"

[tuckessee]

100. You're right - No mass graves this century.

Kind of hard to bury folks who've been vaporized by atomic weapons or incinerated in fire bombing raids.

The other dead from the US bomber campaign were usually burned in mass pyres because their numbers were so great.

In Vietman, the million or so civilians killed by the Americans were mostly from villages and killed in small groups so they're buried in many mini-graves.

So, there ya go! No mass graves! Millions and millions of intentionally killed civilians but no mass graves.

[nadinbrzezinski]

111. Hey my favorite of our wars are our shadow wars

in Central America... El Salvador and Nicaragua come to mind, while we were equipping both sides of the Iran - Iraq war too...

Call me partisan but those are particularly entertaining, given that the people responsible for that mess ARE BBBAAAACCCCKKKKKK

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. Seawolf on a far more serious note

they don't teach history really, or what they teach (reaching for that cute hat) is elite history and they avoid the really bad sections of US History. I will recomend a good survey of US Hstory (and entertaining to boot), Howard Zinn's "Popular History of the American People." read that one first and then go look for others he has written. His aproach is funny and he likes to write history from your or my point of view.

Oh and hang around here... you are sure to learn what you did not learn in school. You also pointed someting real, Modern US History is not your strong suit, usually survey classes stop around the 1950s and there is a reason for that, and that is if you are lucky, they usually stop in 1945

[HamdenRice]

135. about a million Vienamese were killed -- mostly civilians -- during ...

that war. It's sad, dude, you really and truly don't know what you are talking about.

[HamdenRice]

133. To be fair ....

while I agree with most of the posts criticizing seawolf, Powell's role was the coverup, not the actual act.

[alcibiades_mystery]

103. No they were not, sir

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mylai/MYLAI.HTM

[CBGLuthier]

132. You recall poorly

3 1/2 years of HOUSE ARREST and then ordered free and Calley was the only conviction.

For murdering 500 people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre#Aftermath


Oh,and we didn't learn shit from the, well what YOU call the Indian wars, 400 years of killing black and red and yellow people is a damn hard habit to break.

[Catrina]

67. Perpetuate violence?

I don't remember any reason for the US to invade that guy's country, do you? I do agree that violence begets violence. Once this country perpetrated violence against the Iraqi people, it was bound to be perpetuated. One reason for not starting it, I would think.

So, the US sends in bombers ~ remember 'Shock and Awe'? For days, they dropped bombs on a city populated by civilians!! You must have missed the photos of the children, blown to bits, women, some pregnant with their babies blown out of their bodies, or the old people, unable to get out of the way.

In one shopping center, a cluster bomb ripped apart about 35 Iraqi civilians, and that was only a minor part of the violence inflicted on a population of people who had done nothing to us.

Then there were the conscripts, slaughtered (in the words of some US troops) along the road to Baghdad. As one soldier said, so many, we got tired of killing them!! So in the end, we ordered the bombers to finish the job. I guess that's alright with you? They too, poor souls, forced into the military by the Bush administration's old friend, Saddam, were sent out to defend their country.

I know we don't do body counts, but they do, and they all had families. I do recall the Iraqi mother of one of those soldiers, crying, waiting and hoping he would return. You don't seem to realize that the violence started and didn't stop when the US wrongfully invaded their country and killed, maimed and tortured, tens of thousands of their citizens, without any provocation.

So, as a father, or brother, son, should this happen in your country, and you saw your loved ones splattered all over the place by an invading force, do you think you'd be in the mood for a sit-in? Should the invaders have expected that?

Well, actually that's what the people of Fallujah did at first. Remember? They peacefully demonstrated against the loss of their jobs and the invaders shot into the crowd, killing over a dozen peaceful demonstrators!!! After which, understandably, some of the people of Fallujah decided that peaceful demonstrations were more likely to perpetuate the one-sided violence, so they changed tactics and imitated the invaders.

Why was the US outraged? Do they really think you can keep killing people and they won't fight back?

Fyi, that man will be a hero to his country ....

.....and then, there was the torture and illegal and unjust detention of thousands of Iraqi citizens. Would peaceful demonstrations have moved this brutal regime in Washington? I think not, they, the Bush administration, pay no attention to such demonstrations by their own citizens, they would most likely shoot any demonstrators in Iraq, as already proven.

You seem to believe the 'we're bringing democracy and freedom' nonsense. WE don't have that here, as evidenced by what happened to the people of NO, or to peaceful demonstrators here. They certainly don't have it in Iraq. Most Iraqis now say they would prefer Saddam Hussein to what they now have. That's quite an indictment of the US.

[BreweryYardRat]

73. *raises eyebrows*

"They peacefully demonstrated against the loss of their jobs and the invaders shot into the crowd, killing over a dozen peaceful demonstrators!!! After which, understandably, some of the people of Fallujah decided that peaceful demonstrations were more likely to perpetuate the one-sided violence, so they changed tactics and imitated the invaders."

Hadn't heard that...got a link?

"You seem to believe the 'we're bringing democracy and freedom' nonsense."

Nope. We've fucked up, big time.

[Maru Kitteh]

138. Don't be lazy - go find it yourself

Didn't see any links on your posts proving your extensive breadth of knowledge about "rpg guy" that prompted you to conclude he should have been staging a sit instead of defending his country against an armed and brutally violent invasion.

That's a cheap and juvinille tactic, trying to discount the validity of statements made by someone who is obviously better informed than you are by crying for a "link".

[mike_c]

72. "...we don't do genocide or mass graves..."

You really haven't been paying attention. The U.S. war against Iraq is a war crime every bit as bad the Nazi invasion of France that you cite as justifying a popular resistance.

[tnlefty]

98. We're not Nazi Germany, and who perpetuated the violence?

Shock and awe and slaughtering thousands of innocents civilians is okay? We pre-emptively attacked a country who posed no threat to us based on lies and absolute bullshit and you expect the people in that country to just sit down and play nice? You have got to be kidding me!!!

Strawman argument you say? No I saw lots of dead ones, burned to a crisp with body parts blown out, but I didn't see any strawmen or women or children. And this is all unnecessary and pointless, and we are the ones who insist on perptuating the violence.

Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, Shock and Disgust and we don't seem to resemble the beginnings of Nazi Germany? Hell, we don't even seem to be concerned with killing off and displacing thousands of our own citizens.

[dutchdemocrat]

118. ridiculous

We don't do genocide or mass graves

That's a ridiculous statement.

No - you just 'do' extrajudiciary killings, torture people, reject the Geneva Convention, reject the World Court, reject the abolition of landmines, reject the banning of biological weapons, kill innocents while mowing over cities like Falluja, invade foreign countries unilaterally for economical and geopolitical reasons, and on and on and on...


We're not going to kill them just because of their faith, or because of their skin color.

Really? Why are women and children dying in Iraq then? Because they are toting RPG's?

[pepperlove]

119. But....

* and his ilk LOVE war (so long as they don't have to go).

BTW, I agree with you.

[leesa]

122. "We don't do genocide or mass graves"????? What planet do you

live on? WTF do you think we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan if not genocide?? The Iraqis are being SLAUGHTERED by the US every day and they didn't do one thing to us.

Open your eyes man!

[The Stranger]

22. But, see, disagreement here is disingenous at best. No one here

would refrain from defending their own property, family, mothers, daughters, sons, fathers, people, nation.

To claim that all Iraqis should be Ghandi is to escape reality. Nor would anyone do differently from what the Iraqis are doing. Nor should anyone expect the Iraqis to do anything other than defend themselves.

What is dangerous is to expect Iraqis to do something otherwise. What is dangerous is Paul Wolfowitz lying to the U.S. Congress and claiming that the Iraqis wanted to be invaded and occupied. That is what is dangerous to U.S. troops, as well as the Iraqis and their innocent civilians, even dangerous to U.S. national security.

[Gregorian]

39. Think about this- Americans aren't picking up arms against Bush.

And he has invaded our country.

Would Americans really defend anything, if attacked? I wouldn't. I'd pack up and leave before I'd pick up a gun.

My post is probably full of shit. Most of them are. But something about us sitting here with Bush in the White House without making much of a fuss seemed to strike me.

[Greyhound]

26. What the fuck do you think war is about? This is what we caused. n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

47. And who do you think started it hon?

Not them that's for sure. They know damn well what is going on over there and why Bush is there.

[Sterling]

50. "Firing RPGs at Humvees, and the soldiers inside...not so much."

You must have missed class the day they talked about Vietnam or Algeria or the list goes on.........

[Frederik]

124. It's called resistance

and it is legitimate. Tell the French maquisards of WWII that shooting at the Germans "just kills/maims other people, some of whom probably didn't want to be there, and escalates the situation".

[andyhappy]

5. HOLY SHIT

um...thanks for imprinting that ugly image into my psychie forever

man...

[malachibk]

6. Holy shit

Why, why did I look?

[karlrschneider]

7. Jesus. I couldn't make myself take pics like those...

horrible

[CatBoreal]

8. That first one did me in...

Dear Gods!

[Generic Other]

9. Why are all the wounds headwounds?

They look like they were executions to me.

What a horrible collection of pics. More horrific in that Americans are responsible.

[jayfish]

65. I've Commented On This...

before and I've seen tons more pics than these. They're not executions so much as a blatant disregard for life. I don't think it's anything endemic to the soldiers either. It's an American thing.

Jay

[rockymountaindem]

70. Probably because those people were sitting in a car

and your upper body is the only part that's exposed.

[jayfish]

71. For Many That Seems To Be The Case.

But I have seen just as many where people on the sidewalk or in the middle of the street.

[insane_cratic_gal]

120. wondering the same thing

There are some in cars, you'd naturally assume those might be the check points where it's happening. But there are so many others that are not like that. Just half their heads missing in the middle of no where street.

I forced myself to look at them, all of them.. what is the point of war again?

[Im with Rosey]

10. I could only look at a couple

How can people that see this in real time possibly come home and not be completely scarred for life? It took visuals to help bring an end to Vietnam, how can we wake up the war mongering sheeple? How many of these pics could the vile monster in the people's house look at?

[RC]

12. bu$h's supporters need to see these.

From the freepers to Mr & Mrs. middle & upper class right-wing America.
War seems so sanatary and clean for so many in this country.

[Lengsel]

99. I've seen

I have seen some of those photos on a right wing site before and they guys loved them. They said things in the vein of "nut up for your country boys, I'm thinking about signing up." "Stop being a puss."

[brainshrub]

13. Oh my God, I'm going to be sick.

Did you see the one with the guy who died with his hands in his pockets? Obviously he wasn't threatening anyone, but he got his head blown open like a watermelon.

I hope the poster will give some context... were these people killed by insurgents or US soldiers? Or perhaps they were killed my US soldiers disguised as insurgents?

In this war, it's so hard to tell.

[BreweryYardRat]

20. Don't ask me...

Didn't take them, and unless the guy over at SA gives some more details I couldn't say. A lot of them probably got killed by US troops, and some of them probably got killed by insurgents.

[hardrainfallin]

23. Hard copies of these images should be made and sent to

the media, also to senate and house members, and of course to bush and rummie, first and foremost.

Hard copy, because that way they HAVE to loook.

[MelissaB]

54. I agree! They need to know what they are supporting.

[Kaylee]

14. I couldn't make it through them....

Those who think war is just a video game need to see this. There are real consequences to our actions.

[nadinbrzezinski]

115. But but, but it is a video game

Join the Army, you get to play X-Box only difference is you die... this joke has been floating around for a while, courtesy of a Nam Era vet...

By the way, welcome to DU... and look for any of Saigon68 posts, he has taht with a good graphic on his...

;-)

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[Tom Yossarian Joad]

31. Like the guy in his bed?

Why don't you go on over and help out.

[Arugula Latte]

42. Yeah, like those kids missing the tops of their heads

Damn kids! Well, that'll teach them, huh?

Good thing the U.S. is there in Iraq, though, huh? Otherwise, those young Iraqi kids might have grown up thinking they could drive through CHECKPOINTS. Heck, they might have even just plain grown up. Can't have that, can we?

I'll second the question -- why aren't you over there, tough guy, teaching people to stop their vehicles?

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. so when are you enlisting? I am sure you'd enjoy it

[jayfish]

66. Yes, And For Their Disrespect Of American Power...

they got a head shot. Excellent force for force response.

Jay

[Kingshakabobo]

68. I smell chicken-hawk. n/t

[mike_c]

79. you advocate murdering civilians for traffic violations...?

:wtf:

[brainshrub]

94. Like the guy with his hands in his pockets?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

16. Damn good thing Saddam is in the pokey... both him and his

WMDzzzzzzzzz..... not.

[eissa]

17. The one with the little kid's

burned body -- I can't imagine anything more horrific. I stopped after that one; that one alone will make me sick for the rest of the day.

[Freedomfried]

19. Gore is the pornography of war.....

Goddamn the monsters that start these things.

[Greyhound]

106. If there were one I'm sure it would. n/t

[despairing optimist]

21. Just ate dinner but it's still where it belongs. Recommended.

Everyone should force himself to see what Iraqis see every day and then listen to a politician explain why we can't just leave Iraq in such a mess. We created the mess, so that means we can fix it? We've got to complete the mission, meaning we have to go completely insane like you and your glazed-over bleary-eyed sycophants?

[LittleClarkie]

24. Fuck it. I ain't goin' over there

Y'all have scared the shit outta me. I ain't gonna look now.

[Greyhound]

28. If you're of draft age I think you should. It is the reality of war, not

the bullshit patriotic amerika is the good guys crap we've been fed our whole lives. All wars are just like this. :cry:

[LittleClarkie]

33. I'm 42 and a woman

Ugh... okay... hang on...

[LittleClarkie]

38. Thank GOD I'm 42 and a woman

I don't think I could take that shit.

[Greyhound]

105. yeah, so sane person could. Yet I firmly believe if Americans had a

realistic image of war, we wouldn't have so many.

[nadinbrzezinski]

116. I agree with you fully

what was the criticism of Saving Private Ryan, oh yes too graphic... (my favorite for its graphic elements) scene was during the asault on normandy the Medic gets shot in the head, through the red cross.

But we like our war movies clean and the medic would never ever get shot, I mean he is clearly wearing a red cross doncha know?
:sarcasm:

[FreedomAngel82]

55. I couldn't either

I've seen some graphic photos before and that definitley scared me. *sigh* :(

[MrSlayer]

25. Sending them to people who support the war will only make them happy.

What makes you think seeing this will do anything to effect them in a positive way? This is what they are cheering for, what they want to happen. They love this shit.

[Kingshakabobo]

27. Check out this post:

Awesome pictures... the brain in the passenger's seat made me laugh for some reason




Tell your brother thanks for his service


:wtf:

[BreweryYardRat]

32. That's the problem with SA...

It's open to anyone, so you get jackasses like that.

[tnlefty]

101. No, a jackass is someone who cuts you off in traffic or rips the

bumperstickers off of your car! This is a little morally bankrupt motherfucker, a little Nazi. Does Hallmark make a greeting card for that? Afterall, Hallmark does donate to repugs.

[moodforaday]

30. delete - sorry

self-delete

Second one today - I need more sleep!

[jillan]

35. jeez - I just clicked on someone with their head not attached.

I would give ANYTHING for the idiot to see that picture!

I'd like to hang that picture over his bed.

[boston bean]

41. Those were some of the most graphic pictures I have viewed.

If you have the stomach, which not everyone does, and you want to see the realities of war, take a venture over there. Caution it really is gruesome.

[FreedomAngel82]

45. People need to see some of the images from over there

Maybe then more people will be against this idea.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. They are graphic and photos like that came from NAM too

this is the real face of war... some how what a 50 cal can do to a human body....

That said the soldiers will shoot if they feel their lives or those of their buddies are in danger. They are not over there fighting for mom, apple pie or the American way, they are over there fighting to get home.

As to people armed, ready to kill them, war is exactly that, I either kill you, or you kill me, that is why war should never be entered on false premises.

[FreedomAngel82]

57. I remember seeing a documentary

of Vietnam about the 1971 vietnam protests and they showed some pictures at throughout and they showed a woman walking towards a camera and she's burning a live. That one got me. :( The movie is called "Unfinished Symphony" if you get the Sundance Channel. I think it was part of Winter Solider. That one is supposed to come out sometime this year or next I think.

[Scoots]

48. John Wayne

But none of the people John Wayne shot ever looked like that. In war, people just fall over and go "ugh..."

Seriously I'm listening to Draft Dodger Rag by Phil Ochs over and over.

"I'm only 18, I got a ruptured spleen, and I always carry a purse..."

[MelissaB]

52. I've never seen anything like this.

:cry: Why? Oh, why? Oh,why?

[Sabriel]

59. I'll take your word for it.

I don't need any more screaming nightmares.

[blossomstar]

61. Oh dear Lord Holy Jesus, I just had some Ben & Jerry's Chunky Monkey and

almost lost it after seeing the mangled bodies of the dead on the link pics. Any SANE person that sees these photos would never participate in WAR! Jesus. I've never seen anything so morbid... Someone should send these to Chimpy and he should be FORCED to look at them during breakfast EVERY SINGLE DAY he leaves our troops there! Jesus. God help our troops!

[gulfcoastliberal]

62. Your tax dollars at work!

Gotta keep this up; pay for the hurricane via medicare, medicaide, and last but not least, tax cuts! The bombing must continue. Carry on.
:sarcasm:

Someone email a collage of these to Hillary, Biden, Kerry, Leiberman, and ask them why they support this?

[Arugula Latte]

64. Hey, freedom isn't free.

See, we've "liberated" some Iraqis from their vital organs!

Such a noble cause.

:sarcasm:

[Rex]

63. War is abhorrent to me. Evil.

Anyone who loves to go to war lives for death and hatred. Bush had no problem starting a war, but then again neither did his daddy.

Death and hatred = profit

[bread_and_roses]

74. Send them to everyone who voted for the IRW

to show them the fruit of their labors.

I admit, I can't look. I've forced myself to look at a lot of photos - out of conscience - this is the work of my Country, my fellow-citizens, I have the obligation to witness. But I am still so sick from Katrina that I just can't right now.

[bread_and_roses]

121. That's supposed to be IWR

I shouldn't try to type when I'm that tired.

[sniffa]

76. oh my beautifuL mind!

[Zynx]

77. I've seen Iraq pictures before and I nearly puked so I won't look at these

[Pithlet]

80. I won't either. The descriptions are enough for me.

They should be required viewing for chickenhawks.

[ourbluenation]

82. When will we stop fighting - we all live on one big blue marble

which isn't really that big. it's ridiculous. my heart breaks for everyone, even the insurgents. there - I said it.

[Olney Blue]

83. I tried, but couldn't get through them.

September 24, I hope to be one of many sending a message against this war.

[spanone]

86. Ain't we a wonderful species? Jesus.

[HoosierClarkie]

87. Here is war people.

I looked at all the pictures. As graphic as they are I was not surprised at what I saw. When I think of War and people shooting and bombing, I think of this. I expect war to be like this. I do not understand why people are shocked by this. I guess I do not need pictures to show me what I already know. It is bad there. We need to get the hell out of there!

[CascadeTide]

89. those who support the war will get an erection from these nt.

[shanti]

90. jesus christ

although i knew i shouldn't, i looked at the first one, can't look at any more. these kind of images STAY with a person forever :-(

[stepnw1f]

93. They Aren't Drafting My Ass! (nt)

[Raiden]

96. I can't handle this!

These are the most graphic photos I have ever seen. Disgusting!

:grr:

[Mabus]

97. They remind me of my dad's war photo album

He served as a Marine in Korea during the Korean Conflict. It was the reason my dad was prepared to move my brothers to Canada to avoid being drafted to Viet Nam.

These are the types of pictures that the rest of America needs to see to understand why things are going to hell in a hand basket over there.

[coffeenap]

102. Maybe a strange response, but I think every adult in the US should

look at at least one of these, and add on the one of the mother and children in the ditch. Our people need to see what our government is presiding over.

When the Bosnian war was going, a new group formed, called Women for Women in Bosnia. Through it,I met a Bosnian woman who, via a number of letters, described to me a situation exactly like the photo of this family. She and her daughter had to dive into a ditch to escape murder. She survived because a UN vehicle happened to come by and they risked leaving their hole for a ride.

No one on this planet should have to endure what we have wrought on Iraq. Maybe if more people saw at least a photo of the reality, they might come to their senses. (speaking of the doubters in repug land.)

[YOY]

104. Reminds me of a line from Sting's "Fragile"

"...nothing comes from violence
and nothing ever could"

Sorry for the song lyrics. I guess it struck a nerve.

[belle]

107. Someone please post this at freerepublic. Send to all your pro-war pals,

too. especially the chickenhawks.

I looked at the first 4 or 5. I think that's enough.

Fuck. What can you say.

[eridani]

110. No, don't post on Freep

They'll just beat off looking at them. For the record, I didn't look.

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. They are very graphic, take my word for it

I have sen trauma like that... but it is never pleasant... they are very graphic

[jayctravis]

109. One of the scariest ones to me was the covered body

with an perfectly intact foot leading up to carnage that is mostly covered by blanket.

That's not an accident. That was done on purpose. That human being didn't need to have to experience that.

The brain in the front seat of the car with broken windshield glass flips my senses into shock. I can barely think about that image ... it's so gruesomely surreal.

[ObaMania]

114. Man, just reading everyone's comments here made me nauseous..

.. and I couldn't look at the NWS picks for fear of :puke: .

I did however, read some of the posts there. Those folks on that forum are really messed up.

[BreweryYardRat]

125. Some, yeah.

One of the reasons I haven't bothered to shell out $10 for membership.

There were a couple posts from one Republican though, don't know if you saw those...

I can't quote verbatim, but what he said was essentially "these photos woke me up, I can't support this any more."

[ObaMania]

142. Yup, saw it...

.. but the ones that were pro war & gore were really out there in their comments.

[RebelOne]

117. I could only look at the first four

and then my stomach started churning. Couldn't look at any more.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

127. wow

i lurk over there a bit, i must have missed this thread.
wow, the most graphic images i have ever seen. horrible

[Plaid Adder]

128. AAAAAAGH!!!! BRAIN ON CAR SEAT!

OK, kids, DO NOT look at the NWS photos if you are squeamish, it will take you a LONG time to forget the first one.

Good Christ,

The Plaid Adder

[lateo]

129. OMG! I think I'm going to be sick....

Why, oh why did I look at those pictures....

[truebrit71]

130. Winning their hearts and minds...one disfigured corpse at a time...

...words fail me....

[atomic-fly]

131. I think I'll skip....

[DS1]

134. I haven't seen that many heads split open in a long time

Which leads me to believe these guys were picked off in relative comfort, since headshots technically aren't so much encouraged as a miss is more likely to get ~you~ killed.

[lonestarnot]

136. There is some bloody war for you...so senseless and for lies.

[The Sleeper]

137. Let Freedom Reign !!!

:sarcasm:

[Amonester]

140. And Let Big Oil And MC CEO's Rip This Entire World OFF 'CUZ

They Can :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[Mutley]

141. OMG.

I could only look at the first few of the NSW photos. That was... OMG!