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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:50 PM
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best thing Kerry said last night
"Brownie is to Katrina what Paul Bremer is to peace in Iraq; what George Tenet is to slam dunk intelligence; what Paul Wolfowitz is to parades paved with flowers in Baghdad; what Dick Cheney is to visionary energy policy; what Donald Rumsfeld is to basic war planning; what Tom Delay is to ethics; and what George Bush is to “Mission Accomplished” and "Wanted Dead or Alive." The bottom line is simple: The "we'll do whatever it takes" administration doesn't have what it takes to get the job done."


damn.


Go Kerry!
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blossomstar Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:54 PM
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1. He is my president! When you compare Kerry to * you have to think wtf?
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:54 PM
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I loved that line, too!
I sure hope he keeps this up!

And, BTW, a great big welcome to DU, Charlie and algernon!!
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:57 PM
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6. thanks
so do i, if he does he could easily win back the white house
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:08 PM
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26. Welcome to DU, C & A!
Kerry's whole speech was kick-ass, but you're right, this is one of the best parts.

Go, JK, go!!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:54 PM
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2. It couldn't have been said any better
and Kerry was the right person to say it. Everything he and Edwards care about and know enough about is needed for this country like never before. They would still be the best team IMHO.
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:22 PM
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31. but it could have been sooner... maybe 1 year ago?...
of course they still woulda won... it was rigged... but the key victory against these people is hard words! no need to insult or slang, just clear words that say who they REALLY are...

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:54 PM
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3. this is a grand statement
The "we'll do whatever it takes" administration doesn't have what it takes to get the job done."
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:58 PM
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8. Yep!
*sigh*
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:54 PM
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4. That was the part I spent all yesterday quoting
Good stuff, indeed.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:54 PM
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5. oh, that was good!
:applause:
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:57 PM
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7. gawd, why didn't he say that before the election
I cried when he didn't win,



If he had said this before, it would have made bush look like a sniviling idiot... (most of us already knew that)

and those that thought he was "decisive" would not think so!!!
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:00 PM
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9. he did, it just wasn't covered in the media
my newspaper had this quote in it's entirety, he was pretty scathing in the debates, the news media just didn't bother repeating it.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:05 PM
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11. Indeed he did
The smear campaign/media betrayal was so successful that people don't even remember what he really did and said prior to the election.

Welcome to DU, C&A! :hi:
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:22 PM
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15. thanks
i've been here for quite a while as a lurker, even as a member for bit under another username. felt it was time to start posting again.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:09 PM
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13. I agree
The media seemed more interested in canidates past war records than in the actual war we were fighting. They spent more time on if Kerry would raise taxes than on Bushes fantasy economic plan. Kerry racked Bush in the debates yet the media never picked up on any of his messages.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 05:29 PM
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23. but remember the debates--
Kerry did make * look like a snivelling idiot--but enough people thought they wanted the idiot. Maybe not a majority, though. I still believe Kerry won, just as the exit polls said he did.
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:02 PM
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10. I agree, whoever wrote that needs to stay on
as his permanent speech writer.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:08 PM
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12. It was a great speech
but what I can't get out of my head is a bit of a sentence from Sen. Kerry at the Corzine rally a week and a half ago.

“This is a time for our country to touch its soul again...”

I can't get past that statement. It's so... hopeful...
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:09 PM
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14. Either Gore or Kerry must be Speaker of the House in 2007-
when * and Cheney are impeached. Easy enough to do if one patriotic congressman from a state with a Democratic governor resigns. Nearest thing to a do-over I can come up with.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:23 PM
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16. i'd rather one of them be president in 2008
and the other one be president in 2016
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:30 PM
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17. I'd take one as president and one in that president's cabinet
That would work.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:52 PM
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19. What about Kerry appointing Gore as Vice-President.? Gore is
five years younger.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:01 PM
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20. Maybe
but I'm not sure how they get along.

And Gore has been veeped before. Doesn't seem fair somehow.

But then again I kinda like Gore being footloose and fancy free, meself.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:05 PM
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21. Dream Team.
I love them both. Can you imagine this country with 8 years of Kerry/Gore leadership?
Lib heaven.
O8)
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 05:04 PM
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22. How about 18 years? Two to fill out *'s stolen term, then 4 more
terms after that.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:50 PM
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18. That would be 2009. The country can't wait that long. n/t
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 05:33 PM
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24. hmm
1. Gore wouldn't run for Congress after being Vice-President
2. Kerry is in the Senate, not the House.

Nice sentiment, though. :)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:35 PM
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32. Clever -
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 07:39 PM by karynnj
So clever, I initially thought doesn't he/she know neither are in the House. Then the line of succession hit me. If it were Kerry - you would also have one of the best Prosecutors in Congress. His questioning when Rice had her hearing was amazing. (Has to be a state with no residency requirement. Also for Congress, I think most states have a special election rather than an appointment. So, MA might be the safest bet - esp because if it works, the patriotic Senator can run for Kerry's seat. So it's win/win if all works out.)

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:04 PM
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25. Kerry's words are so true and he is so right! n/t
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:19 PM
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27. i will kick for that
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:22 PM
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28. A brilliant paragraph!
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 06:22 PM by mcscajun
I read his speech yesterday and that's the part that stuck with me: "The 'we'll do whatever it takes' administration doesn't have what it takes to get the job done."

and they never Have.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:31 PM
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29. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:11 PM
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30. "... what John Kerry is to 'I'll fight 'till every vote is counted' ... "
Sorry. Needs to be said.

Where was Kerry on January 6th ??

Boxer08 !!

==
www.january6th.org
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:45 PM
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33. Conyers, Boxer and all DIDN'T want him there
it would have turned it from a discussion of voting issues to all about Kerry. Oh, he was in Iraq.

He did have the second slowest concession in at least 50 years (I don't know before then) he was down over 100,000 votes compared to Gore's 536 and he had lost the popular vote. Do you think the Democratic party would have stood behind him? Many didn't support him that well before the election. (ie Brazile, Begala, Carville)
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:25 PM
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37. Candidate Kerry didn't answer to those people
And they would have loved to have him there, had he been willing to stand up and do the right thing. Like the heroes that they were.

He didn't have an obligation to the Dem party either.

His only obligation was to the people who voted for him. And those who tried to. Even those whose provisional ballots languished uncounted in Ohio. Even to those who waited for hours then gave up.

Unless he truly believed that all the exit polls were wrong, and only the vote counts were right, he had the duty to simply say so. And let the chips fall where they may.

(see my post below)
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:08 PM
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35. Oh, bullshit.
Not sorry, needs to be said.

IIRC Kerry was in Iraq, and was specifically asked not to be present on Jan 6th, as the poster above noted.

(btw about your website. The expression is "toe the line" - see http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/toetheline.html. Or is that another DU-ism, like "moran"? If so, never mind.)
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:39 PM
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38. Senator Kerry had no right to be in Iraq
(see also my post above)

His duty on January 6th (2005 AND 2001), like all Senators, was to make an independent judgement of the validity of presidential electors.

It is on that day that Congress represents the American People in their sovereign capacity. This was spelled out for them in Justice Breyer's dissent to Bush v. Gore.

At least he didn't repeat his performance from 2001, when he sat on Meet the Press on January 7th, and when asked why he refused to stand with the Congressional Black Caucus and object to the unlawful Florida electors he said (in unison with Joe Biden) - "Nobody asked us."

Though I don't know if avoiding one's duty is any better or worse than real or apparent ignorance of it.



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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:47 PM
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40. Oh, please.
Tired old attacks against Kerry don't impress me. You know very well that if he'd been there, it would've been all about sour grapes, whiny Democrats, etc. - NOT about the REAL issues with Ohio. You know all that, but you insist on trotting out the tired old attacks one more time. Go divide and conquer somewhere else.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:47 AM
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43. Please what?
There's nothing tired or old about the simple truth. And it is intended to impress, merely inform.

Neither you or I know what "would've been" had Kerry (or Gore) stood up and demanded results that all Americans could have confidence in. We only know what you're afraid would have happened.

But you'd better get used to this "attack" being "trotted out" because it seems like Kerry may well ask for the nomination again. I suspect he'll get the same result Gore did in 03 and this will be the reason.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:05 AM
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47. The simple truth is that Kerry is involved in three lawsuits re: Ohio
two suppression (one of them with the League of Women Voters) and one fraud with the GLibs.

The WHOLE truth, and nuttin' but the truth.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:51 PM
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41. Bah. He was told by the Black Congressional Caucus NOT to be there
as it would have take the focus off of the real issue, which was the suppression and irregularities in the vote, as opposed to being about Kerry and flipping the election.

It was never going to be about flipping the election. And all that was ever needed was ONE Senator. Bless Boxer's heart for being the brave one to step forward. But that was all that was ever needed.

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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:54 AM
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44. Needed for what?
What was "needed" was for each Senator to make an independent judgement as to the validity of the Ohio electors.

They "needed" to decide if 10 hour, poll-tax-lines for poor minority Americans and none for rich white Americans was acceptable to them or not.

Only Senator Boxer found it objectionable.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:03 AM
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46. Kerry found it objectionable, else he wouldn't be involved in three suits
One for the fraud and two for the suppression.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:48 PM
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34. He should also have said
When bush finally got to New Orleans.
It must have seemed like realizing your the only NASCAR fan at the Million Man March.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:11 PM
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36. too bad he couldn't have been so clear
during the election campaign.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:45 PM
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39. Too bad you didn't listen to his speeches during the election campaign
Seriously, he was talking about all those scandals last year (except the ones that hadn't happened yet), I don't know why people (on our side no less!) didn't try to keep up with what he was saying. He was out there every day giving speeches like this - the only press coverage he got was the convention and the debates. So yeah, if you didn't read what he was saying on the trail, you missed some stuff. Not to be antagonistic, but seriously - he was there. The media, not to mention his supposed surrogates in the Democratic party (with a few exceptions like Clark and Dean), were not.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:59 PM
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42. He was amazing & brilliant on cspan too. The sole reason I've kept cable.
To the people who rely on corporate media: you really missed out.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:57 AM
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45. Kerry slayed him- great stuff.
n/t
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:08 AM
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48. Reporting for duty!
:applause:
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