OMG! Keith Olberman Show! Nofacks should go to Jail!

[leftchick]

Just watched Number 1 on Keith Olberman's countdown. His guest ex-Justice dept. guy, John Loftus says Nofaks should Go To Jail for the leak! WTF?! Does that absolve the leaker from the WH?

[lindashaw]

1. I couldn't believe it! WAs just looking for the man's name! Wow!

[lindashaw]

4. Oh, I don't think it absolves anyone. Especially the 2nd wave

of the story, the two staffers who pushed the story to the six journalists.

[proud patriot]

2. I'll have to catch the repeat

Wow

[leftofthedial]

3. doesn't absolve anyone.

they'd both (all) be guilty.

could be conspiracy and coverup charges too.

[lindashaw]

6. This is big, big time, gang!

[oasis]

16. Wilson's wife was a "super spy". She AND her cover company were

exposed by the White House/Novak leak.

[ewagner]

5. 'bout fell off of the chair

Loftus says that the second leak from Novak constitutes "a pattern" which is a criminal act under Section 2 (?) of the act...therefore Novak should be "duck walked" (did he mean frog marched?).

Wow!

That's the most powerful statement I've heard yet

Olberman asked, if the guys who leaked the information were either "traitors or stupid". Loftus came down on the "stupid" side.

[leftchick]

8. section C of the act

if I am not mistaken. Did he say duck walk? I assumed frog walked but was to shocked to pay attention.

[Beetwasher]

7. Nailing Novak Is BAD!

For at least a couple of reasons.

1. It's a distraction. They will hang him out to dry as a scapegoat.

2. They can use this to their advantage to set precedent. If reporters sources are no longer sacrosanct, the admin. can use this intimidation tactic as a tool to plug GOOD leaks.

[leftchick]

9. My thoughts exactly... BAD!

Do you know anything about this Loftus guy? I am concerned that Keith seemed to be cheerleading this idea also.

[RainDog]

12. Loftus wrote The Secret War Against the Jews

which documents the American/Euro-fascist collaboration, including Prescott Bush, of course.

He was a director of the Holocaust Museum in Fla. but he's supposedly Irish.

goggle his name online and you'll find lots of good info about fascists in America during the WW2 era.

I agree that going after Novak is bad. Novak, of course, was also against the war, so the Bushies probably wouldn't mind a little revenge on him, too.

however, the identities protection act is different that source protection, imo, because the issue is if Novak has exhibited a pattern of behavior which puts American national security at risk.

maybe these remarks will at least get Novak to shut up, which would be good for the country, since he keeps doing more damage.

[leftchick]

15. agreed about Novak...

he needs to shut the hell up before he endangers anymore lives! What an idiot...:grr:

[berry]

28. I think Keith was trying to move on to the WH leakers in his last

question, but Loftus misunderstood, misheard or willfully ignored that question and repeated his attack on Novak. Since it was the last topic, there was no time for clarification, and the show ended there. I got the feeling that Keith was frustrated by this.

But I have to listen again to be sure about my impression....

WOW--I'm watching Larry King and Graham just came on to announce he's withdrawing his candidacy. I like him, but understand. He says he knows he can't win. Talk about the war as mistake, etc. Try to catch the rerun! He came on at 9:50--so 10 minutes from the end.

[Raenelle]

10. I think they're trying to intimidate reporters into naming their sources

All these reporters protecting their sources--well, lets just see how principled they really are.

And getting Novak is not a distraction ultimately. He leads somewhere. Someone gave him the information--if it's criminal for him, then it's super criminal for the person who gave it to him. Patience, I think we need patience. Let this investigation hang out there and just smell up the entire Regime, festering, wounding, getting people to start watching out for their own skins.

[Beetwasher]

13. They can't be allowed to frame the debate

The focus has to be on the crime. I've been seeing a bit of shift towards putting heat on Novak and I hope the story doesn't start moving in this direction. It would be a typical bait and switch tactic. The story can't be framed as one about leaks and stopping them, as Bush would like it to be. It has to be about treason committed in the WH and Bush doing nothing about it. If the story starts to stray, it loses potency.

[lindashaw]

20. They'll have to climb over Larry Johnson to do it. He was back

on Buchanan & Press earlier. There was talk about Elliot Abrams and Scooter Libbey. He wouldn't pick a name, but the two staffers who called the six journalists are not being lost in the shuffle. Buchanan dismissed Novak as having nothing to worry about.

[Beetwasher]

23. I'm certainly glad to hear that!

The admin. is in for the fight of their lives on this one. They fucked with a very potent and connected set of individuals. It's truly a clash of the titans we're witnessing.

[THUNDER HANDS]

26. I really don't think Novak is a reporter

He's basically the right wing GOP version of Liz Smith.

If you think Liz Smith is a journalist, fine.

But I think Novak should go to jail, along with the planters.

[Skittles]

29. I don't think he is a journalist either

he's a f***ing Bush tool.

[ignatius]

32. I agree. Did you see him on Meet the Press yesterday. He said the

revelation was an offhand remark at the end of a conversation,implying that it was no big deal. He also said the outing of the name was pretty far down in the column, if it had been more important he would have put it in the beginning.

He kept harping on the fact that he has been in the business for 40 years.

To me, that means he knew exactly what he was doing, why he was doing it(Repug tool) and the consequences.

If it was no big deal and was indeed an offhand remark, then name the source. Save the taxpayers a lot of money, you pathetic,unpatriotic worm.

[stickdog]

33. No, nailing Novak is GOOD!

The law is BAD.

Selective enforcement keeps the OTHER SIDE from realizing that the law is BAD.

Hence prosecuting Novak is GOOD.

Setting a precedent? If this were a left wing reporter protecting a Democrat office holder, the poor journalist would already be in Gitmo.

[oasis]

11. Catch the repeat. the Loftus interview is in the last segment. Don't miss.

[madfloridian]

14. John Loftus website......

http://www.john-loftus.com/Thyssen.asp

He has all the goods on the Bush family. However, puzzling to me....the last time I saw him do an interview he was all kissy kissy whenever the Bush name was mentioned. I was stunned, and I have not yet figured it out.

[RainDog]

21. I remember that tv appearance too

and I had the same reaction.

now, with this statement tonight...does this exhibit a "pattern of behavior" on Loftus' part which shows he's more concerned with brute force than democracy?

[lindashaw]

17. I don't see Novak going to jail, anyway. How can they prove

that he outed all the people she was connected to? There would have to be supporting evidence of that, and I don't see anyone coming forward with that kind of evidence, unless they have a death wish.

The important thing here, in my humble opinion, is that the network allowed this to be broadcast. I'm dumbfounded that it ever reached us!

[Beetwasher]

18. MSNBC and CNN Commentators Piling on Novak

I don't think that's coincidental. There's another thread in GD about someone on CNN making the same point about Novak at pretty much the same time. I smell coordination. This is something that's starting to be pushed and it's NOT a good thing. They're trying to change the subject.

[RainDog]

19. I don't think it will work

I don't think the American people will buy this b.s. any longer.

too many people have had enough of the Bushshit, from what I hear.

Did you know that soldiers are now supposed to pay for their way HOME FROM THE WAR???

WTF.

The Bushies belong in prison.

That Loftus is spinning this as "stupidity" by the White House makes me lose a great deal of respect for him. This is obviously an attempt by the White House to intimidate someone who could and would tell the truth about them.

these creeps are worse than Nixon.

[Beetwasher]

22. I too hope the public would see through such a charade

and I have hope the press will do their job in distinguishing the crime from the cover-up and distraction.

I'm just noticing this little shift in focus by the apologists. This may be the tact they settled on. The "scapegoat" is a popular favorite after all.

[acmavm]

24. If in fact Novak really faced any serious jail time I do believe that he

would be vindictive enough to ensure that he had some cellmates. In fact, I think he would even pick them (by naming his source(s))

[Beetwasher]

27. Novak's given up sources before

Others have posted references on it. That's the kicker of the whole thing! How sacrosanct can they be to him if he's given them up before? And if he's done it before, how could he not do it now to expose treason? It's mind boggling!

[annagull]

30. I think if they pressure him, Novak will roll over

He isn't the PNAC favorite, he actually thinks Israel is wrong sometimes. I think he will give a little speech "..for the good of my country.." blah blah blah, and roll over like a corndog.

[Gore1FL]

42. He outed the corporate front

Thus anyone who had contact to the fake company will be immediately suspect. Novak gave everything foreign intelligence needs to start tracking down her associates.

[lovedems]

25. Maybe we ought to band together and write letters to the editor

of our local newspapers. It might help a little bit to keep the story on the right track! Who knows, if enough people do it, it might work.

[Oilwellian]

31. Been there, done that

The paper called me today to verify I wrote it. :D Using many of the opinions posted here on DU, here's what I wrote:

Did senior Bush officials blow the cover of a US intelligence officer working covertly in a field of vital importance to national security--and break the law--in order to strike at a Bush administration critic and intimidate others? It sure looks that way, if conservative journalist Bob Novak can be trusted.

Let's look at what was compromised here. Mrs. Wilson worked with a CIA information network that was tracking the flow of WMD's. How long did it take to build this intelligence gathering operation and will it ever be possible to create another one?

What is the real threat the US faces right now? Haven't we heard over and over the danger of WMD's falling into terrorist hands? Wouldn't an active CIA operation that tracks WMD's become even MORE vital to our national security, particularly after 911?

Now we learn that two White House SENIOR OFFICIALS willingly compromised that entire National Security intelligence operation - for revenge. The real investigation, if we were serious about national security, should include an assessment of the damage done by the leak; an assessment of the increased danger to the US caused by interruption of intel on WMDs; and an assessment of what is required to replace that intel.

In essence, when these White House officials exposed Mrs Wilson and the intelligence operation she was involved in, they compromised the war on terrorism and our national security. We must all demand of our representatives, a complete and thorough independent investigation of this most egregious crime.

[ljm2002]

34. Now, that's what I call "Framing the Debate"!

Well done! If they called you, they will probably publish it, and it does a good job of focusing on the real issues of this story.

One thing I wish I understood: Novak claims that the person he spoke with at the CIA "asked me not to publish her name", and "didn't say that anyone would get hurt if I did publish it." Now, first of all, the first quote is an admission that the CIA asked him not to publish her name! Isn't that on its face a criminal act? Then he tells us what the CIA person did *not* say. He *never* says that he *asked* the CIA person if it would do any damage. He probably didn't ask, and his silence in response to the request not to publish her name was construed as assent that he would not, in fact, do so. This scenario is entirely consistent with Novak's own statements...

And it is in my opinion somewhat incriminating. Maybe enough to be useful leverage when trying to get names... ?

[oasis]

35. The Loftus segment is approximately one half hour away from now.

It's a must see.

[proud patriot]

36. I'm watching

:hi:

[proud patriot]

37. Holy Crap ...Read the transcript if you missed the show

My husband was sitting here with me , and it finally
sunk in the gravity of the situation ..

[TXDemocrat2004]

38. Then lets put Woodward in jail too

:eyes: :eyes:

[oasis]

41. Put Woodward in jail for authoring "Bush at War" I agree.

[leftchick]

44. serious time!

agreed oasis! Woodward should do some serious time for that dreck!

[eleny]

39. Just watched the replay - OMIGOD!

Jeez! So, she was a "Knock"! I have to listen ot Loftus tomorrow evening. Maybe he'll talk about it some more.

The law Loftus wants applied to Novakula has never been applied before. Wow. So, he's a repeat offender according to Loftus.

Do you think CNN will fire his ass - finally???? I guess now they'll finally get of Wilson's case. Tomorrow is California news. But this leak is going to be a tsunami before it's over.

[grasswire]

40. It's NOC, not KNOCK

:-)

[eleny]

43. Thank you!!!!!

I've heard it and never knew 'xactly what it was, so took a chance. I sure appreciate your help! Silly me!

[Lindsey]

45. I just saw the middle of the night repeat

since I can't sleep due to anxiety over the election today and wow! I wrote down this guys name to get info. on him. I love it that he said what he did - of course,what are his motives?

[OldSoldier]

46. Means "non-official cover."

Also called an illicit. Basically, someone working for intelligence who claims to be someone else, like a used car salesman or a "financial consultant."

Licits are usually covered as "Embassy personnel."