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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:37 AM
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NOW - ON CAPITOL HILL - Able Danger Inquiry CSPAN3 9:30am et
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 08:39 AM by seemslikeadream
ON CAPITOL HILL
Able Danger Inquiry
Rep. Curt Weldon (R-PA) testifies on Able Danger, a secret Pentagon Intelligence unit, during a Senate Judiciary Cmte. hearing on intelligence sharing. Rep. Weldon recently criticized the Pentagon for not sharing intelligence gathered by the unit, which also warned of al Queda threats shortly before the Cole Bombing.
WEDS., 9:30AM ET, C-SPAN3


http://www.cspan.org/watch/cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:39 AM
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1. Thought I read here yesterday that it was put off
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 08:40 AM by DemonFighterLives
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:39 AM
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2. not put off DOD just blocking testimony of witnesses
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:43 AM
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4. OK, sorry I jumped off the handle.
:D
I haven't had enough time to read everything the last few days.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:40 AM
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3. Pentagon is blocking certain "sensitive" testimonies
hmmm...
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:45 AM
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6. It just goes to show you it's always something - Anna Danna
When the adults take charge, maybe we can get some facts out from behind the curtain.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:44 AM
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5. Spector - Biden
Spector opening statement

It is the duty of this committee to go ahead, it is my hope DOD will change it's mind, if there is intel it should be shared


Biden

I hoped we would get to the bottom of this

What we didn't know and why we didn't know it

5 ABLE Danger team members saw destroyed documents

For the life of me I don't know why

I think this is a big mistake they can't tesify
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:46 AM
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7. As a reference DO THE MATH
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 09:37 AM by seemslikeadream
BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER


http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html WATCH THIS 3 MINUTE VIDEO


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.



MUST READ - RE: ABLE DANGER INFO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4447706

Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481


Able Danger: Short Time-line
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4441903

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524



Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005


Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims — that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 — will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


more
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166800,00.html


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1727804&mesg_id=1727804




Condi in Middle of Able Danger ‘Cover Up’"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger “will shake the country to its roots."

...

If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Span’s Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? That’s the big question right now, we have to ask that. I don’t know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, “I’m a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger.” That’s what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, I’m talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


more...

http://www.theinternationalpost.com/z30082005.html

Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4500623



Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/security_attacks_pentagon_dc


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1744982&mesg_id=1744982
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:50 AM
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8. Curt Weldon tesifying now
Dismayed and frustrated

Able Danger existed

These two witnesses have been silenced by the Pentagon
despite the info was opened sourced

can't have it both ways



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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:50 AM
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9. Weldon speaking of why Pentagon is barring the info to come out..
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:54 AM
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10. 3 meetings were arranged but canceled at last minute
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 08:55 AM by seemslikeadream
9/11 staff were never briefed on Able Danger

all should have been briefed on Able Danger



I have witness denial


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:59 AM
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11. Weldon says he just wants the full and complete truth of what happened
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 09:02 AM by seemslikeadream
on 9/11


Biden

submit for the record questions I had for the witnesses that can't tesify

Steve Cambone

Shaffer under Rumsfeld gag order

3 hr briefing will not be allowed to be discussed

purpose of briefing not on Able Danger but came up April 2001

Why was Able Danger shut down?

sensitive info

son of ? said they are destroying documents


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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:59 AM
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12. Weldon had the timeline wrong (geesh)
says it was ended in 2000
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:02 AM
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13. That's cause he wants this pegged on Clinton
saying it was closed by Bush would raise too many other questions Weldon is not interested in.
(Weldon is the same man that started the "Clinton sold China arms secrets" rumor wasn't he?)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:04 AM
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15. Schoomaker never told Clinton
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:06 AM
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17. Funny-this all started with a *BRIEF* mention in a book by Weldon
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 09:06 AM by underpants
Now he seems to be the authority....complete with talking points.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:07 AM
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19. Let's just find out WHY the DOD is silencing the witnesses
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:59 AM
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49. Isn't that obvious?
So they can control the data and pin it on Clinton.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:58 AM
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48. You can't believe how much damage that rumor caused Clinton.
Here in this area where there is a strong military-industrial complex, they ripped Clinton to shreds because everyone believed it. I'm more inclined to believe that the people who started the rumor were the ones who were involved in the espionage.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:03 AM
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14. I just heard him say 2001
and posted it above
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:05 AM
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16. He's talking about 2001 now says some of the info was not destroyed
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:06 AM
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18. started in the Clinton
leached into the bush administration

don't understand why Slade Gordon

what is the purpose of the cover up

Biden
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:02 AM
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50. Funny how the Republicans like to claim they own the military and
the Pentagon, and then this sort of thing crops up and suddenly the organizations and departments are portrayed as honest brokers.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:08 AM
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20. Biden"I just don't get the cover up. Was it to protect the Clinton admin.
the Bush administration?"

Biden just gave them a DROP THIS NOW friendly hint. LEt's see if they do....of course they won't they think this is gold and the MSM editing will probably support that.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:13 AM
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21. photo
purchased the photo from someone in California not from government records

witness knows how they got that photo

ordered to destroy

Klinesmith? ordered to destroyed docs


Lambert

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:15 AM
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22. No One has asked the question..
When were the documents destroyed. They all dance around it.

What I do get from it is that records did exist into March 2001.

WTF is going on?

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:18 AM
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23. Now Kyl, trying to prop up repub. talking points of why the records
were destroyed.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. Yep they're gonna try to cover their asses because it does not lead
to Clinton.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:23 AM
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27. Absolutely, I am confused as to why DU isn't all over this.
Must be because of the messenger.

Why would bush protect Clinton, he wouldn't do it.

He is protecting his own ass!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:26 AM
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32. No they are going to have lots of "unanswered questions"
Weldon has already used that phrase at least once. See they don't want anything concrete out of this just to plant the winkwink nudgenudge implication of Clinton without it ever being solved or concluded.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:30 AM
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37. Just like they did for 8 years. And Dem's keep falling for it n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:27 AM
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33. Some people can't get passed the name WELDON
It is much bigger than Weldon, much bigger than what Weldon may have first thought

Paul Thompson has said this also
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #27
74. I've proposed in the Activist Forum that we reactivate the Activist Corps
by calling for massive media coverage of this. Do you think I'm being premature, or do you think this can of worms must be opened?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:19 AM
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24. Kyle
what do you know about the point that

future intel gathering

tip someone off?


It was a reason given

this info was opened sourced

where did you get the info?

9 page briefing

CIA says they didn't need the info

was there a concern that this was from people that were in the United States legaly

should not be of a concern

something wrong with the system

clamp down with such venmon
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:22 AM
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26. CONGRESS MUST FULLFILL THEIR OBLIGATIONS
STARS MUST NOT EMBARRASS US


GRASSELY
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:24 AM
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28. OMG Grassley just used the Hannity "You are a great American" line
I know it isn't exclusive to his radio show but it is basically his tag line and anyone who listens to that a-hole gets the reference.

Grassley just said it to Specter about not being embarassed by this process. I couldn't get if Grassley supports this BS or if he wants to get past it and actually do their duty.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:25 AM
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29. Weldon
3 meetings were set up

sept 2000 last minute lawyers determined the meetings should not be and had them cancelled



MY WORDS

THIS WAS DONE BY NEO CONS IN CLINTON'S WHITE HOUSE NOT CLINTON!!!!

SHOOMAKER

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:25 AM
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30. Stephen Hadley brought the chart with Atta to Bush!
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 09:27 AM by MassDemm
On September 25, 2001...Where did it go after that?
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:25 AM
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31. how did this get a "hearing" so fast?
everything else takes months if not years.......and this gets out front and center?..come on...they're trying to pin 9-11 on Clinton.......
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:28 AM
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34. DUD!
I know that the whole purpose of this hearing is for RW radio filler talk for oh the next 20 years and for Fox News "Discussions" without ever resolving it but you can tell that even the Repub Senators don't want to do this.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:28 AM
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35. ONCE AGAIN - CLINTON WAS NEVER TOLD
CAN'T PIN IT ON HIM
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:33 AM
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39. The Pentagon is blocking testimonies, looks like there is some CYA
of the current administration
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:50 AM
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43. i wondered that myself.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:30 AM
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36. Repost from CellWhitman...excellent read........tells all


Able Danger my hind end... When Bush told Hart Rudman to take a hike.


As I write this post, the Republicans in their never ending quest to cover for the most inept and 'in over his head' president in our nation's history are trying to resurrect what pre 911 information may have been missed during the Clinton administration. This issue is being brought up by a book promoter, Sun Myung Moon vision promoter and political partisan hack by the name of Kurt Weldon. After years of training the cult to believe all our intel has been hampered by "liberal" concerns about info sharing, the "wall", they have the cult primed to bite any turd that comes floating by. Fact is the communication guidelines were begun under Reagan/Bush. Here, we'll let Media Matters explain some of that.

Let no one be confused, Weldon, who I saw on TV a couple hours after the WTC fell yapping that it was Clinton's fault, is trying to gain political points, sell a book and distract the cult's minds into ignoring the gross ineptness of Bush and Team Thug. Treason in the White House and a total lack of after invasion planning in Iraq are just a couple of the things Weldon and the right wish to see removed from the news.

We all know how Bush fought the 911 commission and we know how Bush refused to even testify under oath or appear before the commission without his pacifier, Cheney, present to hold his hand. Anyone who says that Bush cared that the 911 commission did a proper job is a liar. Between Bush's dodges and milquetoast Lee Hamilton as one of the heads, the commission never had a chance.

Unlike Bush's cult, which is not allowed to say they made any mistake, ever, it should be noted that Clinton has said despite his administration's many successes, they didn't do enough.

My post is to remind the finger pointers on the right of just how inept Bush was in those extremely critical months before 911. We know he received a memo, August 6, saying Bin Laden was "determined" to attack us and we know he didn't do anything about it. We know, even with all the warnings, he pee'd his pants, froze, when told our nation was under attack. But I think it is more important to look at that lack of action along with the string of poor decisions Bush made in the spring, prior to 911. The back up is below ...let's just remember a few things....

In January of 2001 Bush was handed the final section, Phase III, of the Hart Rudman report. The bipartisan two and half year study of terrorism gave Bush a detailed map, a detailed set of directions as to how make our nation safe. Hart Rudman's final report, with its recommendation that the nation create a Homeland Security Department, was given to our new president because HR knew it would take a lot of political capital to pass, political capital, something new presidents have. It would take a leader. With HR as a backdrop or template, congress proposed three bills in early 2001 to get the ball rolling on creating a Homeland Security Department. Bush rebuffed their efforts. Even Newt said, "The administration actually slowed down response to Hart-Rudman when momentum was building in the spring," Sadly, Bush used his "capital" to pass tax cuts for his fat cat friends.

Make no mistake, Bush told the congress and told the Hart Rudman report to take a hike. Ignoring the hard work and the accurate predictions of HR and Congress, in May 2001, Bush announced that Dick Cheney would put together a group and work on the problem terrorism and that he(Bush) would occasionally chair the group with Cheney. When announcing that Cheney would do this, Bush went so far as to say that the terrorist threat, though very real, was "not immediate". Lord only knows what idiot told him to add that to his statement but he did.(see below) That really doesn't matter because, as we all know, Cheney's group NEVER met.

Couple things about this, Bush's decision to wait for Cheney to find time for our nation's security, should have sent up a red flag to the country that Bush was not prepared to be president. Ignoring Hart Rudman's recommendation was the worst decision ever made by or for a President. How bad? It is likely to result in WW3 if it hasn't already.

Another point that I never hear mentioned is WHY Cheney's "group" never met, why didn't he have time for nation's security? It was because Cheney was busy paying off the Republican fat cats in the oil and energy industry. Remember Cheney's "secret" energy group? Yep, that was what had Dick busy, paying off the republican fat cats with tax breaks we see in the "energy" bill.

Not only did Bush NOT pay attention to Hart Rudman, in some cases he did the EXACT opposite of what HR recommended. Two things come to mind, one is that HR was emphatic that FEMA was not capable of handling the job of Homeland Security. There were proposal to use FEMA, but only after major changes and a huge increase in power. What did Bush do? Not only put his campaign manager and funeralgate figure, Joe Albaugh in charge of protecting us from terrorism, Bush cut FEMA's budget a by a couple hundred million. What vision.

Another major proposal of HR was for our nation to use the National Guard to help protect the homeland. Bush shot the wad on that potential security enhancement when he decided to play God in Iraq. Our National Guard is being worn down thanks to his inept planning and decision-making.

Bottom line is, yes there were things done wrong before 911, any jack ass can tell that. What is troubling is the lying, deception, and finger pointing the Republicans have used to cover for the cult's own culpability through lack of leadership.(Republicans controlled the Senate and the House in spring 2001) Fact is, Bush made the worst, most short sighted, ill timed decision ever when he told Hart Rudman to take a hike.

Hart said the people on the commission were careful not to yell, "We told you so!" Fact is, they did tell us so and though it should have been covered in the press at the time to push the story, it was the President's job to see its importance and act, lead, he didn't. Personally, I don't buy the BS that even if Bush had moved on the HR report that it might not have stopped 911. Ridge said seven months after 911 that our intel departments were sharing information better. This was the same amount of time between when Bush was handed HR and 911. Lord if Bush had only tried. We will never know for sure what might have been, but we do know Bush set our national security back two years before he finally agreed to support a Homeland Security Department.

Then to top it all off, over a year later, when Bush finally agreed to support a Homeland Security Department as HR proposed, Joe Allbaugh, whose experience as Bush campaign manager Bush felt qualified him to be the man in charge of protecting our nation from terrorism, praised Bush for "his bold and innovative proposal."

sheeesh...

below are some pertinent excerpts for your perusal....
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Here's an article originally in the Columbia Journalism Review by Harold Evans.

We were warned. Some of the best minds in the United States attempted to alert the nation that, without a new emphasis on homeland security and attention to terrorism, "Americans will likely die on American soil, possibly in large numbers" as the result of terrorist attacks. The first warning came in September 1999, when former Senators Gary Hart and Warren Rudman, co-chairs, used those words in the first of three documents from an entity called the United States Commission on National Security, created during a rare moment of agreement between President Clinton and House speaker Newt Gingrich.

Then, seven months before the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the commission re-emphasized its warning, this time with a detailed agenda for action to make America safer from terrorism. The report was scary but it was also constructive and authoritative. And it is fair to say that most Americans never heard of it until after the attacks. ...

Hearings were scheduled for the week of May 7. But the White House stymied the move. It did not want Congress out front on the issue, not least with a report originated by a Democratic president and an ousted Republican speaker. On May 5, the administration announced that, rather than adopting Hart-Rudman, it was forming its own committee headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, who was expected to report in October. "The administration actually slowed down response to Hart-Rudman when momentum was building in the spring," says Gingrich. ....

Senator Hart visited the White House in an effort to get the administration to move faster. He met National Security adviser Condoleezza Rice on September 6, just five days before the terrorist attacks. She would, she said, "pass on" his concerns. ...

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Commission warned Bush
But White House passed on recommendations by a bipartisan, Defense department-ordered commission on domestic terrorism.

Sept. 12, 2001 | WASHINGTON -- They went to great pains not to sound as though they were telling the president "We told you so."

But on Wednesday, two former senators, the bipartisan co-chairs of a Defense Department-chartered commission on national security, spoke with something between frustration and regret about how White House officials failed to embrace any of the recommendations to prevent acts of domestic terrorism delivered earlier this year.

Bush administration officials told former Sens. Gary Hart, D-Colo., and Warren Rudman, R-N.H., that they preferred instead to put aside the recommendations issued in the January report by the U.S. Commission on National Security/21st Century. Instead, the White House announced in May that it would have Vice President Dick Cheney study the potential problem of domestic terrorism -- which the bipartisan group had already spent two and a half years studying -- while assigning responsibility for dealing with the issue to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, headed by former Bush campaign manager Joe Allbaugh.

The Hart-Rudman Commission had specifically recommended that the issue of terrorism was such a threat it needed far more than FEMA's attention.

Before the White House decided to go in its own direction, Congress seemed to be taking the commission's suggestions seriously, according to Hart and Rudman. "Frankly, the White House shut it down," Hart says. "The president said 'Please wait, we're going to turn this over to the vice president. We believe FEMA is competent to coordinate this effort.' And so Congress moved on to other things, like tax cuts and the issue of the day."

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A Strategy's Cautious Evolution
Before Sept. 11, the Bush Anti-Terror Effort Was Mostly Ambition
By Barton Gellman Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 20, 2002; Page A01

... Privately, as the strategy took form in spring and summer, the Bush team expressed disdain for the counterterrorist policies it had inherited from President Bill Clinton. Speaking of national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, a colleague said that "what she characterized as the Clinton administration approach was 'empty rhetoric that made us look feckless.'"

Yet a careful review of the Bush administration's early record on terrorism finds more continuity than change from the Clinton years, measured in actions taken and decisions made. Where the new team shifted direction, it did not always choose a more aggressive path:
.....

- At least twice, Bush conveyed the message to the Taliban that the United States would hold the regime responsible for an al Qaeda attack. But after concluding that bin Laden's group had carried out the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole – a conclusion stated without hedge in a Feb. 9 briefing for Vice President Cheney – the new administration did not choose to order armed forces into action.
...

- In his first budget, Bush spent $13.6 billion on counterterrorist programs across 40 departments and agencies. That compares with $12 billion in the previous fiscal year, according to the Office of Management and Budget. There were also somewhat higher gaps this year, however, between what military commanders said they needed to combat terrorists and what they got. When the Senate Armed Services Committee tried to fill those gaps with $600 million diverted from ballistic missile defense, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said he would recommend a veto. That threat came Sept. 9.

- On May 8, Bush announced a new Office of National Preparedness for terrorism at the Federal Emergency Management Agency. At the same time, he proposed to cut FEMA's budget by $200 million. Bush said that day that Cheney would direct a government-wide review on managing the consequences of a domestic attack, and "I will periodically chair a meeting of the National Security Council to review these efforts." Neither Cheney's review nor Bush's took place.

- Bush did not speak again publicly of the dangers of terrorism before Sept. 11, except to promote a missile shield that had been his top military priority from the start. At least three times he mentioned "terrorist threats that face us" to explain the need to discard the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.

- ... And until the summer, Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill suspended U.S. participation in allied efforts to penetrate offshore banking havens, whose secrecy protects the cash flows of drug traffickers, tax evaders and terrorists.

At the nexus of law enforcement and intelligence, where the United States has concentrated its work against al Qaeda since 1998, a longtime senior participant said he observed no essential change after the White House passed to new occupants.

"Ninety-nine point-something percent of the work going on and the decisions being made would have continued to be made whether or not we had an election," the career officer said. "I have a real difficult time pointing to anything from January 20th to September 10th that can be said to be a Bush initiative, or something that wouldn't have happened anyway." ...

Army Lt. Gen. Donald Kerrick, who had come from top posts on the Joint Staff and the Defense Intelligence Agency to manage Clinton's National Security Council staff, remained at the NSC nearly four months after Bush took office.

He noticed a difference on terrorism. Clinton's Cabinet advisers, burning with the urgency of their losses to bin Laden in the African embassy bombings in 1998 and the Cole attack in 2000, had met "nearly weekly" to direct the fight, Kerrick said. Among Bush's first-line advisers, "candidly speaking, I didn't detect" that kind of focus, he said. "That's not being derogatory. It's just a fact. I didn't detect any activity but what Dick Clarke and the CSG were doing."

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Thornberry proposes HR1158

Testimony of Congressman Mac Thornberry

Joint Hearing Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans Affairs, and International Relations Transportation and Infrastructure Subcommittee on Economic Development, Pubic Buildings, and Emergency Management April 24, 2001

...
Partly because we have begun a new century and a new millennium, partly because there is a new Administration, and partly because more of us are realizing that the pace of change in the world around us is accelerating at an almost frightening pace, there have been a number of studies and reports in the last couple of years on the world security environment.

One overwhelming, common conclusion in them is that America and Americans are increasingly vulnerable to a broadening array of threats from a variety of actors around the world.

Status of HR1158:
3/21/2001: Referred to the House Committee on Government Reform.
4/23/2001: Referred to the Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans Affairs and International Relations.
4/24/2001: Joint Hearings Held by the Subcommittee on Economic Development, Public Buildings and Emergency Management and by the Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans Affairs, and International Relations (Government Reform Committee).

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Skelton proposes HR1292

TESTIMONY OF THE HONORABLE IKE SKELTON

BEFORE THE TRANSPORTATION AND GOVERNMENT REFORM COMMITTEES ON HOMELAND SECURITY ISSUES

APRIL 24, 2001
...

I think all of us here today would agree that the United States needs to improve its ability to provide security for our citizens, our territory and our infrastructure against terrorist attacks. Unfortunately, domestic terrorism is an increasing national problem, and the sad truth is that the federal, state and local governmental structures now in place do not operate in an efficient, coordinated and coherent way to provide adequate homeland security for our citizens. ..

Status of H.R.1292
3/29/2001:
Referred to the Committee on Armed Services, and in addition to the Committees on Transportation and Infrastructure, the Judiciary, and Intelligence (Permanent Select), for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.

3/29/2001: Referred to House Armed Services
4/4/2001: Executive Comment Requested from DOD.
8/10/2001: Unfavorable Executive Comment Received from DOD.
(I'd like to see that "unfavorable' comment)

3/29/2001: Referred to House Transportation and Infrastructure
3/30/2001: Referred to the Subcommittee on Economic Development, Public Buildings and Emergency Management.
4/24/2001: Joint Hearing Held by the Subcommittee on Economic Development, Public Buildings and Emergency Management and by the Subcommittee on National Security, Veteran's Affairs and International Relations (Government Reform).

3/29/2001: Referred to House Judiciary
4/19/2001: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime.

3/29/2001: Referred to House Select Committee on Intelligence

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Prepared Statement of Charles G. Boyd, Executive Director of the U.S. Commission on National Security/21st Century before a Joint Meeting of the Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans Affairs, and International Relations of the House Committee on Government Reform and the Subcommittee on Economic Development, Public Buildings, and Emergency Management of the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, U.S. House of Representatives, April 24, 2001 .....

It is the view of the Commission that the three bills before the Congress do not essentially contradict one another. H.R.525, in our view, calls for a limited organizational adaptation. It is not fully consistent with H.R. 1158 but could be made so, for it captures the need for effective interagency processes as part of any solution. H.R. 1292 deals most essentially with the question of overall strategy and the need to devise coherent ways of designing budgets for homeland security that accord with strategy. While these matters stand separate from the proposals embedded in H.R. 1158, they express perfectly the sense of the U.S. Commission on National Security/21st Century.

In the Commission’s view, the United States needs to inculcate strategic thinking and behavior throughout the entire national security structure. I want to be clear, therefore, as to what the Commission’s proposal for a National Homeland Security Agency is designed to do, and what it is not, in and of itself, designed to do.

We conceive of the National Homeland Security Agency is a part of, not a substitute for, a strategic approach to the problem of homeland security. Even with the creation of the National Homeland Security Agency, the National Security Council will still play a critical role in coordinating the various government departments and agencies involved in homeland security. The National Security Council also must play the key role in the government’s overall strategy function. The Commission proposed three components for a homeland security strategy—to prevent, to protect, and to respond—to the problem of terrorism and other threats to the homeland. We believe that H.R. 1292 would facilitate the development of a serious integrated strategy for homeland security at the NSC level, even if its specific conclusions may differ from those of the Commission.

Having a strategy, and a coherent budget process to match that strategy, is in our view a necessary, but not a sufficient, condition to repair the inadequacies in current U.S. Government organization.

We believe that the United States stands in dire need of stronger organizational mechanisms for homeland security. We need to clarify accountability, responsibility, and authority among the departments and agencies with a role to play in this increasingly critical area. We need to realign diffused responsibilities because, frankly, several critical components of U.S. homeland security policy are located in the wrong places. We also need to recapitalize several of these critical components, not least the Coast Guard, the Customs Service, and the Border Patrol.

Unlike H.R. 525, which establishes a policy council that duplicates existing NSC mechanisms, H.R. 1158 contends that we need a Cabinet-level agency for this purpose, and the Commission agrees. The job is too big, and requires too much operational activity, to be housed at the NSC staff. It is too important to a properly integrated national strategy to be handled off-line by a "czar." Certainly, no council or interagency working group that lacks a permanent staff will suffice. We believe that the importance of this issue requires an organizational focus of sufficient heft to cooperate with the Departments of State, Defense, and Justice in an efficient and effective way. H.R. 1158 is consonant with this aim.

The purpose of realigning assets in this area, as proposed in H.R. 1158, is to get more than the sum of the parts from our efforts. It does not propose vast new undertakings. It does not propose a highly centralized bureaucratic behemoth. It does not propose to spend vastly more money than we are spending now. It does propose a realignment and a rationalization of what we already do, so that we can do it right. It proposes to match authority, responsibility, and accountability. It proposes to solve the "Who’s in charge?" problem. Most important, it proposes to do this in such a way as to guarantee the civil liberties we all hold dear.

More specifically, H.R. 1158 would consolidate border protection. ....

One final point, if I may. All fourteen, without dissent, agreed to put this Government to see to the common defense. All fourteen, without dissent, agreed to put this subject first and foremost in the final Phase III report. All fourteen, seven Democrats and seven Republicans, are ready to promote this recommendation on a fully bipartisan basis. All agree, too, that some combination of the three bills under discussion today, modified somewhat, would constitute the fulfillment of the Commission’s recommendations on homeland security at least in large part.

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Combating Terrorism: Options to Improve the Federal Response

Testimony to the U.S.House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure Subcommittee on Economic Development, Public Buildings, and Emergency Management and the U.S.House Committee on Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans Affairs, and International Relations April 24, 2001

Frank J. Cilluffo

Chairman, Committee on Combating Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear Terrorism, Homeland Defense Initiative

Centerfor Strategic & International Studies

If the president and Congress set their sights on the careful crafting and comprehensive implementation of a national counterterrorism strategy, it will happen. I am confident that President Bush and Vice President Cheney, in conjunction with the Congress, can and will rise to the challenge.

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Statement by the President Domestic Preparedness Against Weapons of Mass Destruction

For Immediate Release - Office of the Press Secretary
May 8, 2001

Protecting America's homeland and citizens from the threat of weapons of mass destruction is one of our Nation's important national security challenges. Today, more nations possess chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons than ever before. Still others seek to join them. Most troubling of all, the list of these countries includes some of the world's least-responsible states -- states for whom terror and blackmail are a way of life. Some non-state terrorist groups have also demonstrated an interest in acquiring weapons of mass destruction.

Against this backdrop, it is clear that the threat of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons being used against the United States -- while not immediate -- is very real. That is why our Nation actively seeks to deny chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons to those seeking to acquire them. That is why, together with our allies, we seek to deter anyone who would contemplate their use. And that is also why we must ensure that our Nation is prepared to defend against the harm they can inflict. ......

Therefore, I have asked Vice President Cheney to oversee the development of a coordinated national effort so that we may do the very best possible job of protecting our people from catastrophic harm. I have also asked Joe Allbaugh, the Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, to create an Office of National Preparedness. This Office will be responsible for implementing the results of those parts of the national effort overseen by Vice President Cheney that deal with consequence management. Specifically it will coordinate all Federal programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management within the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, and other federal agencies. The Office of National Preparedness will work closely with state and local governments to ensure their planning, training, and equipment needs are addressed. FEMA will also work closely with the Department of Justice, in its lead role for crisis management, to ensure that all facets of our response to the threat from weapons of mass destruction are coordinated and cohesive. I will periodically chair a meeting of the National Security Council to review these efforts.

No governmental responsibility is more fundamental than protecting the physical safety of our Nation and its citizens. In today's world, this obligation includes protection against the use of weapons of mass destruction. I look forward to working closely with Congress so that together we can meet this challenge.

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FEMA Director Joe M. Allbaugh Statement Regarding Department Of Homeland Security

Release Date: June 6, 2002
Release Number: 02-072

Washington, D.C.-- I congratulate the President for his bold and innovative proposal. The American people deserve accountability and clarity, and this plan provides both. The new Department of Homeland Security will bring together the people and information needed to make America and all Americans safer. President Bush is an agent for change and this is a great step in the right direction.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:31 AM
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38. The Shrub is going to lose another one..Hadley. nt
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:39 AM
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40. Mark Zaid
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:43 AM
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41. RICHARD CLARKE WAS NOT TOLD ABOUT ABLE DANGER
So the responsibility for stopping DIA program Able Danger, which had Identified Atta and 3 other hijackers and linked them to 56 other al-Queda terrorists overseas, has been laid at the feet of Bill Clinton--except he and Richard Clarke were never told about it at all.

That's right. Bill Clinton was never told about Able Danger and the ID of Atta because Richard Clarke was never told about AD. How do I know? He never wrote about it in his book, nor did he testify about it's existence before the 9-11 Commission!

You see Richard Clarke was known for being obsessed with Osama Bin Laden and HE was the guy the neo-con moles did not want to find out about Atta and the gang. Schoomaker and the neo-cons knew telling the FBI would inform Clarke and then Mr. Laser Beam himself, President of the United State William Jefferson Clinton, would have gotten involved--and the Pearl Harbor-type attack would never take place (the neo-cons talked about the need for a Pearl Harbor-type attack before the PNAC Plan would be accepted by the American people--so when one presented itself, they let it happen).

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:56 AM
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46. Who is Tony Gentry? They guy who told Kleinsmith to delete docs?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:13 AM
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55. I don't know but I hope there's a transcript of this
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:46 AM
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42. nominated
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:51 AM
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44. Kliensmith: "I deleted all the data"
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:51 AM
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45. Regardless of fault and politics aside,
we need to get to the truth. I really think this should be a bipartisan and procitizen issue.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:57 AM
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47. Kleinsmith-"I never saw him on any chart"
but he does go to sleep thinking that something could have been done to prevent 9/11 or something like that.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:02 AM
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51. Cynthia McKinney's 9/11 hearings and ABLE DANGER
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:07 AM
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52. IT'S BUSH'S DOD THAT IS NOT LETTING THE WITNESSES TESTIFY
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:08 AM
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53. ding ding ding
we have a winner!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:12 AM
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54. Remember it's Zelikow that would not give this info to 9/11 Commision
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:16 AM
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56. TRUNK OF HIS CAR
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 10:34 AM by seemslikeadream
summer of 2004

federal agents confiscated info but didn't get some info because it was in the TRUNK OF HIS CAR!!!!!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:27 AM
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58. "TRUCK"? What about the chart that DID exist but doesn't anymore?
Zaid just said there was a chart but it was (so important) on thin paper that tore apart as it was taken off the wall where it was kept because it was so important....on tissue paper.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:34 AM
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61. Sorry I meant trunk of his car
fixed it

thanks
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:27 AM
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57. Just the google headlines from this morning
Pentagon blocks officers from 9/11 hearing
Science Daily (press release) - 57 minutes ago
WASHINGTON, Sept. 21 (UPI) -- The Pentagon has ordered several officers and intelligence analysts not to testify before the US Senate ...

Cameras in cabins of planes suggested
Seattle Times, United States - 56 minutes ago
WASHINGTON — The Federal Aviation Administration is proposing today to place security cameras in the cabins of commercial airliners and giving wireless ...

Pentagon Nixes 9/11 Hearing Testimony
Guardian Unlimited, UK - 2 hours ago
By KIMBERLY HEFLING. WASHINGTON (AP) - The Department of Defense forbade a military intelligence officer to testify Wednesday about ...

Pentagon Nixes 9/11 Hearing Testimony
San Francisco Chronicle, United States - 2 hours ago
By KIMBERLY HEFLING, Associated Press Writer. The Department of Defense forbade a military intelligence officer to testify Wednesday ...

Pentagon Bars Military Officers and Analysts From Testifying
New York Times, United States - 11 hours ago
WASHINGTON, Sept. 20 - The Pentagon said Tuesday that it had blocked several military officers and intelligence analysts from testifying ...

Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist
New York Times, United States - 14 hours ago
WASHINGTON, Sept. 20 - The Pentagon said today that it had blocked a group of military officers and intelligence analysts from testifying ...

Panel to probe pre-9/11 Pentagon claims
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette, IN - 1 hour ago
By Siobhan Gorman. WASHINGTON – It’sa tale of intrigue that percolated for much of the summer: A congressman claims the Pentagon ...

Pentagon bars testimony on terrorism at open hearing
Contra Costa Times, CA - 2 hours ago
By Philip Shenon. WASHINGTON - The Pentagon said Tuesday that it had blocked several military officers and intelligence analysts ...

Pentagon Nixes 9/11 Hearing Testimony
Leading The Charge, Australia - 2 hours ago
By KIMBERLY HEFLING, 5 minutes ago. WASHINGTON - The Department of Defense forbade a military intelligence officer to testify Wednesday ...

El Pentágono Bloquea el Testimonio en el Senado sobre el ...
kaosenlared.net, Spain - 4 hours ago
By PHILIP SHENON. Officers and analysts had been scheduled to testify about a classified intelligence program, known as Able Danger. ...

Pentagon Bars Officers, Analysts From Testifying On Intelligence ...
TheDay (subscription), CT - 5 hours ago
By THE NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE. Washington — The Pentagon said Tuesday that it had blocked several military officers and intelligence ...

Pentagon Blocks Able Danger Testimony
NewsMax.com, FL - 8 hours ago
Pentagon lawyers have ordered five members of the Able Danger intelligence team not to testify at an open Senate in hearing scheduled for Wednesday morning ...

Intelligence team members ordered silent in 9/11 probe
Washington Times, DC - 10 hours ago
By Shaun Waterman. Defense Department lawyers have blocked members of a data-mining intelligence team from testifying today before ...

Pentagon Hides From Able Danger Hearings.
RedState.org - 11 hours ago
In what has to be one of the dumbest PR moves in recent memory, the Pentagon has barred its people from testifying in the Senate Able Danger hearings tomorrow. ...

Pentagon gags 'Able Danger' team
United Press International - 12 hours ago
By SHAUN WATERMAN. WASHINGTON, Sept. 20 (UPI) -- Defense Department lawyers have blocked members of a data-mining intelligence team ...

Able Danger -- a preview
Power Line, MN - 14 hours ago
The Senate Judiciary Committee begins hearings on Able Danger tomorrow. The Washington Times provides a preview. Among the witness will be: • Naval Capt. ...

9/11 relatives charge cover-up
Staten Island Advance, NY - Sep 20, 2005
They react to reported Defense Dept. bid to close Senate hearing on pre-attack identification of hijacker. By TERENCE J. KIVLAN. WASHINGTON -- Sept. ...

Pentagon Pushes to Hide 9/11 Mistakes
AlterNet, CA - Sep 20, 2005
Will the press and the public be excluded from this week's Senate Judiciary Committee hearings concerning a once-secret military intelligence unit called "Able ...

Probing Able Danger
Washington Times, DC - Sep 19, 2005
Tomorrow's Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the Pentagon's top-secret military intelligence unit known as Able Danger should be quite a show. Rep. ...

UQ Wire: AP - Atta Papers Destroyed on Orders
Scoop.co.nz (press release), New Zealand - Sep 18, 2005
By DONNA DE LA CRUZ. 09/15/05 "AP" -- -- A Pentagon employee was ordered to destroy documents that identified Mohamed Atta as a terrorist ...

Pentagon refuses to allow military officers to testify at hearing ...
San Diego Union Tribune, United States - 1 hour ago
By Kimberly Hefling. WASHINGTON – The Department of Defense forbade a military intelligence officer to testify Wednesday about ...

Pentagon forbids military to testify on pre-9/11 knowledge
USA Today - 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Department of Defense forbade a military intelligence officer to testify Wednesday about the work of a secret military unit that ...

Pentagon blocks officers from 9/11 hearing:-
Webindia123, India - 43 minutes ago
The Pentagon has ordered several officers and intelligence analysts not to testify before the US Senate Judiciary Committee about the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. ...

Officer barred from telling Senate about 9/11/01 intelligence
NavyTimes.com, VA - 1 hour ago
By Kimberly Hefling. The Department of Defense forbade a military intelligence officer to testify Wednesday about the work of a secret ...

Pentagon Nixes 9/11 Hearing Testimony
Christian Broadcasting Network, VA - 48 minutes ago
By Kimberly Hefling. CBN.com – WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Department of Defense forbade a military intelligence officer to testify ...

Tale of 9/11 intrigue reaches a head today
Concord Monitor, NH - 2 hours ago
By SIOBHAN GORMAN. ASHINGTON - It's a tale of intrigue that percolated for much of the summer: A congressman claims the Pentagon ...
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:29 AM
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59. Good work-I wonder what the WashTimes preview includes
:eyes:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:32 AM
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60. Intelligence team members ordered silent in 9/11 probe
Intelligence team members ordered silent in 9/11 probe
By Shaun Waterman
UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
September 21, 2005


Defense Department lawyers have blocked members of a data-mining intelligence team from testifying today before a congressional panel probing their claims that they identified the September 11 ringleaders as terrorists more than a year before the attacks.
The Senate Judiciary Committee sought testimony from several members of the team -- code-named Able Danger -- as part of an investigation into claims that the project identified Mohamed Atta and three of the other 18 hijackers as tied to al Qaeda in early 2000.
Mark Zaid, an attorney for Army Reserve Col. Tony Shaffer, said his client, a Defense Intelligence Agency liaison to the Able Danger team, was told in a letter not to testify.
The letter, which gave no reason for the order, was signed by the principal deputy general counsel for the Defense Intelligence Agency, Robert Berry.
Mr. Zaid said the team members "were told verbally that they would not be allowed to testify" and that the order was put in writing only with regard to his client at his request.
He said that the team leader, Navy Capt. Scott Philpott, civilian analyst James Smith and other members of the team had been denied permission to testify. A Judiciary Committee aide said panel staff members already have interviewed Capt. Philpott and Col. Shaffer.
No one at the Department of Defense or the Defense Intelligence Agency returned calls for comment yesterday.
Rep. Curt Weldon, the Pennsylvania Republican who first put the Able Danger team in contact with journalists, was concerned about the order, his staff said.
"It is unfortunate that we're trying to get answers ... and the people who could help us get them are not going to testify," said Russ Caso, the congressman's chief of staff.
At the center of the Senate committee's investigation is a computer-generated chart listing the names and connections of about 60 people thought to be linked to al Qaeda.
Capt. Philpott said that chart, produced in January or February 2000, bore the name and likeness of Atta and linked him to a Brooklyn mosque that has been a center of Islamic extremism for more than 20 years.
Capt. Philpott was the special operations officer who ran the effort, an intelligence-led initiative to use data mining on massive amounts of "open source" information culled from the Internet, purchased from credit rating bureaus or other data brokers, or by other means that remain classified.
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050920-111050-2046r.htm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:36 AM
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62. Maybe Spector is going to ask the Sec of Defense today
just mentioned he was coming in today
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:37 AM
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63. Specter is getting frustrated by this
DOD representative. I would not want to argue a case against him, he is boxing him in perfectly.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:41 AM
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64. Sessions is such a tool
get over it Sessions, YOUR DOD IS BLOCKING INFO
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:43 AM
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65. I have a problem listening to him too.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:49 AM
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66. Was Atta a US citizen? hehehe
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 10:50 AM by seemslikeadream
Spector

why was his info destroyed then?

American people deserve answers

Why is the DOD stonewalling this?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:53 AM
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67. Answer:NO (it was the other Atta who was but we knew that)
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:54 AM
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68. ** HEARINGS ADJOURNED**
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:05 AM
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69. Correct me if I am wrong,
It seems like specter is quite angry about not being able to investigate thoroughly. I was only able to see bits and pieces, but if I didn't know better, specter seemed like he wasn't going to accept no for an answer. Is it possible he wants the truth not a whitewashed report?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:16 AM
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70. Spector does not like the fact the DOD is withholding info
from the Congress, preventing them from doing their job
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:20 AM
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71. So who is the mystery guest?
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/I/htmlI/ivegotase/ivegotase.htm

'"I've Got a Secret"

starring Gary Moore featuring Kitty Carlyle,Orson Bean...

followed by

"' You Bet Your Life'" starring Groucho Marx
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:22 PM
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72. Department of Defense attorneys stopped them - 3 occasions
In testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee, attorney Mark Zaid, who represents Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, said the Pentagon also refused to permit testimony there by a defense contractor that he also represents.

The Judiciary Committee was hearing testimony about the work of a classified unit code named "Able Danger."

Zaid, appearing on behalf of Shaffer and contractor John Smith that Able Danger, using data mining techniques, identified four of the terrorists who struck on Sept. 11, 2001 - including mastermind Mohamed Atta.

"At least one chart, and possibly more, featured a photograph of Mohamed Atta," Zaid said.

Maj. Paul Swiergosz, a Defense Department spokesman, said Wednesday that open testimony would not be appropriate.

"We have expressed our security concerns and believe it is simply not possible to discuss Able Danger in any great detail in any public forum," he said.

Swiergosz said no individuals were singled out not to testify.

"There's nothing more to say than that," Swiergosz said. "It's not possible to discuss the Able Danger program because there are security concerns."

Another Pentagon spokesman, Bryan Whitman, said later that the Defense Department would be represented at the hearing by William Dugan, the acting assistant to the secretary for intelligence oversight. Whitman also said the Pentagon believes it has provided sufficient information on Able Danger to the committees with primary oversight responsibility for the Department of Defense: the Armed Services and Intelligence committees.

On three occasions, Able Danger personnel attempted to provide the FBI with information, but Department of Defense attorneys stopped them because of legal concerns about military-run investigations on U.S. soil, Zaid said in his prepared remarks, encouraging the panel to locate a legal memorandum that he said Defense Department attorneys used to justify stopping the meetings.

Zaid also charged that records associated with the unit were destroyed during 2000 and March 2001, and copies were destroyed in spring 2004.
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/12702913.htm
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:10 PM
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73. so does it disolve into a whitewash
or a pentagon bleach job??

whads da big secret??
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