Another Propaganda EMAIL - Help pick it apart here!

[Madrone]

My F*x News guzzling, "good christian", GWB is a GOOD man, completely disconnected from reality MOTHER sent me this today - at work - and totally pissed me off. Because I AM at work I don't have time to pick it apart piece by piece and lambast her in a well documented reply.

Here's a chance for good DUers to help knock my delusional mother back into her place! Post your replies, links, and commentary below!

(like all good Bush Cultists, any attempt to educate with facts will likely result with the whole fingers in ears chanting la la la I CAN'T HEAR YOU.... but I ain't letting her get by with smugly assuming a non-response from me = agreement, or that she's right)



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Mom



--- brightlites24 [e-mail]> wrote:


>> To: [e-mail]
>> From: "brightlites24" <[e-mail]>
>> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:25:15 -0000
>> Subject: Mail From
>> Louisiana
>>
>> Just received a copy of this email... a friend of
>> mine
>> received from her friend in Louisiana:
>>
>> She's in Louisiana and amid all the turmoil there.
>> When I read her story I got the chills, this is
>> horrible. I'm sending this to all of you to spread
>> the
>> word, PRAY. There are local churches where she lives
>>
>> who will be housing the homeless but "they will be
>> getting no support from the RED CROSS."
>>
>> Here's her note:
>>
>> ** We have had a battery operated TV so we've been
>> getting local channels focusing on the situation
>> there
>> and here. I'm just getting the "national
>> perspective"
>> and it's upsetting me off!
>>
>> First, this is not a racial thing. I'm sorry if all
>> the reporters are seeing are black faces but if they
>>
>> would take their cameras to places like Slidell,
>> Mandeville,
>> Metairie and CHALMETTE they would see several
>> thousand white faces being affected by this. Most of
>>
>> the tip of the boot that is Louisiana south and east
>>
>> of Baton Rouge is under water. Those people are
>> stuck
>> too waiting for help, dying, but all the news people
>>
>> can focus on is the Superdome.
>>
>> Another misconception. The violence going on there
>> is
>> not the reaction of desperate people. Its typical
>> New
>> Orleans on any given Tuesday!!! It's a dangerous,
>> dirty, drug infested place where the city police and
>>
>> city government is corrupt and useless. Volunteers
>> are
>> getting shot at and their cars vandelized.
>> Helicopters are being shot at. Just another day in
>> the city.
>>
>> Another misconception. These poor people couldn't
>> get
>> out because they don't have cars. If the cameras
>> show
>> the city once the waters recede, you'll notice all
>> the
>> flooded out cars littering the streets. They
>> couldn't
>> all have been broken down before the storm hit .
>> Yes,
>> there are always people who do not have
>> transportation. Part of making the call for a
>> MANDATORY evacuation is that the city has to provide
>>
>> for transportation and/or shelter in the city.
>> People
>> stayed for the same reasons they always stay. They
>> think the storm will turn and go in another
>> direction.
>> They think they can "ride it out." Or, they're just
>> too lazy to pack up and leave.
>>
>> Another misconception. The federal government was
>> slow
>> to respond. The president issued a state of
>> emergency
>> BEFORE the storm ever hit, unprecedented. This means
>>
>> that the full access of the federal government, be
>> it
>> military or civil, were at our governor's disposal.
>> The
>> levee broke early Monday afternoon. She did not call
>>
>> evacuation until Tuesday morning. You cannot call up
>>
>> National Guard units in 20 minutes. It takes time.
>> The
>> governor and mayor are in high CYA mode at the
>> moment.
>>
>>
>> The situation is bad here. Crime is becoming a
>> problem
>> in Gonzales and Baton Rouge where the evacuees are
>> being housed. We live between the two cities and
>> there
>> is pistol on my desk shelf as I type (yes, I know
>> how
>> to use it). Hellicopters flying overhead all day,
>> gas
>> is running out, stores shelves becoming empty. Its
>> like a war zone. Our kids are both here and are
>> staying here until the crime situation gets in
>> control
>> and I fear it will get worse before it gets better.
>> Pray for us. **
>>
>> SO, that's all I'm asking. SEND this to your friends
>>
>> and right now say a prayer for the people going
>> through this whole catastrophe. Thanks.
>>



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[Cassandra]

1. That's rather racist, isn't it?

The FAA said that not a single helicopter actually reported being fired on. They may have heard it but it wasn't coming their way.

[Madrone]

10. Totally agree with you and the poster below -

Racist tripe. Believe me, I plan on pointing that out!!

Yes - I already have a link ready to go detailing the FAA statement about aircraft (NOT) taking on gunfire.

[Frances]

2. I hope someone else will help you pick apart the facts

But I think I would have to say that this letter is totally racist and I am not a racist.

[louis-t]

3. I bet the battery operated tv got only one station-fox news.

And to the rest I say: pray, pray, pray, pray, pray, pray, pray.............

[ET Awful]

4. It's "upsetting me off"??????

I hate it when that happens.

I guess those folks could have STOLEN those cars, but they didn't.

The president declaring a state of emergency before a storm hits is unprecedented? In what country? Hell, I seem to recall a president named Clinton declaring a state of emergency and flying back a day early from a meeting with foreign dignitaries in New Zealand to personally coordinate the response to Hurricane Floyd . . . unlike Bush who ate cake, played golf and pretended to play guitar after lying to old folks about their medicare.

[mandyky]

9. Nice catch!

About as christian as sh ... umm, feces.

[ET Awful]

11. Did she actually say that Blanco didn't call for mandatory evacuation

until Tuesday??????

Where the FUCK was this woman hiding?

[Coexist]

19. August 27th would be a Saturday.

And the time of the call, "late on August 27th", is the night before Governor Blanco and N.O. Mayor Nagin order a press conference to announce "mandatory evacuations" at 10AM the very next morning. In fact, Governor Blanco had already called for a "State of Emergency" on August 26th before any call from Max Mayfield or President Bush.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4758136
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/09/11/chronology_of_errors_how_a_disaster_spread/

[tom_paine]

5. Propaganda e-mails are the cornerstone of Goebbels v2.0

Bushevik proopaganda is the most sophisticated the world has ever seen, and they have been using lying blast e-mails for at least a decade now, with enough success to make the original Goebbels laugh.

They squirt ink like an octopus, there is no 'truth' in Imperial Amerika, only Pravda.

This is what the Germans of 1933 must have felt, although with far fewer beatings.

For now.

[cynatnite]

6. Battery operated TV, but they can send out emails...hmm

sounds bogus to me.

[nyhuskyfan]

7. It doesn't pass the smell test to me...

Battery operated TV sets don't pick up Fox TV.

[Coexist]

8. What utter bullshit:

The president issued a state of
>> emergency
>> BEFORE the storm ever hit, unprecedented. This means
>>
>> that the full access of the federal government, be
>> it
>> military or civil, were at our governor's disposal.

When a state of emergency is issued - the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is then authorized to mobilize the necessary people and equipment - not the state government. What a joke. Check this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4668155
RESPONSIBILITIES OF STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS

The "basic premise of the NRP is that incidents are generally handled at the state and local level." (NRP, 15). However, the plan specifically recognizes the possibility that the FEDERAL government bears primary responsibility:

When an incident or potential incident is of such severity, magnitude, and/or complexity that it is considered an Incident of National Significance, the Secretary of Homeland Security initiates actions to prepare for, respond to, and recover from the incident." (NHP, 15)

Additionally, the NRP explicitly gives the President a fiduciary duty in the handling of a disaster:

"The President leads the Nation in responding efficiently and ensuring the necessary resources are applied quickly and effectively to all Incidents of National Significance." (NHP, 15)

[ComerPerro]

12. What the hell motivates people to think like this?

What the fuck?

[Jim__]

13. Yeah, they were just too lazy to leave!

First, this is not a racial thing. I'm sorry if all
>> the reporters are seeing are black faces but if they
>>
>> would take their cameras to places like Slidell,
>> Mandeville,
>> Metairie and CHALMETTE they would see several
>> thousand white faces being affected by this.

Well, the fact that we can segregate where the blacks are and where the whites are by geographical location IS a racial thing. It's a reality that we all know is generally true across the entire country.

Another misconception. The violence going on there
>> is
>> not the reaction of desperate people. Its typical
>> New
>> Orleans on any given Tuesday!!! It's a dangerous,
>> dirty, drug infested place where the city police and
>>
>> city government is corrupt and useless. Volunteers
>> are
>> getting shot at and their cars vandelized.
>> Helicopters are being shot at. Just another day in
>> the city.


Really? Shooting at helicopters is a daily occurence in New Orleans? Somehow I doubt it.

Another misconception. These poor people couldn't
>> get
>> out because they don't have cars. If the cameras
>> show
>> the city once the waters recede, you'll notice all
>> the
>> flooded out cars littering the streets. They
>> couldn't
>> all have been broken down before the storm hit .


Believing that all (or even most) poor people have cars is to be truly delusional - as delusional as a belief of Marie Antoinette that if poor people didn't have bread, they could just eat cake.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

14. I'm at work, too

with the first full day of having internet service, so bear with me...

First of all, I am surprised to see a Church of Christ email addy to be sending this. I thought Christian churches followed the teachings of Christ, especially ,"Judge not, lest ye be judged."

Second of all, I would check sources, but I believe New Orleans crime rate was down a lot this year, and was lower than it has been in years.

I read here on DU that over 100,000 people in the Big Easy DID NOT HAVE CARS, and so couldn't evacuate-or did the poster of this email want the people to take others' vehicles? Then they would be thieves!

The governor issued a state of emergency as did the President, but Bush didn't act on it. He had the power to let people in to help, but countless were given orders to stay away (USS Battaan is one example). As far as I have read, the governor did use her limited resources to help folks evacuate and to help after the storm. Bush didn't do a thing for two or three days.

Oops! People calling with bug problems-hope these ideas help.

[Coexist]

15. But wait - there's more...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4650979&mesg_id=4650979

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4669887#4669975

Also, since we are dealing in hearsay - I have heard that FEMA expects a 60% compliance with an evacuation order a success - NO got an 80% compliance.

I have also heard that the people were discharging weapons into the air to GET THE ATTENTION of the copters flying overhead - so that they could be rescued - they were not SHOOTING AT THEM.

Also - in re: people with guns
http://www.alternet.org/katrina/25415/
<snip>
I spent yesterday inside the city of New Orleans, speaking to a few of the last holdouts in the 9th Ward/Bywater neighborhood. Their stories paint a very different picture from what we've heard in the media. Instead of stories of gangs of criminals and police and soldiers keeping order, there were stories of collective action, everyone looking out for each other, communal responses."

On a personal note: I live in the Tampa area - and every year when they say a hurricane is coming and they need to evacuate - people raise holy hell because if it doesn't hit - they have waited on bridges and left their homes and businesses unguarded for hours. There is NEVER 100% evacuation. Also - where were the poorest of the poor supposed to go after they got off of the busses? Did they have a credit card to check into a hotel for a couple of days?

[Coexist]

16. FEMA Told LA Gov Not to Use School Buses to Evacuate: "Not Air-Conditioned

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/19/21446/6996
On the day of the storm, or perhaps the day after, FEMA turned down the state's suggestion to use school buses because they are not air conditioned, Blanco said Friday in an interview.

Even after levees broke and residents were crowding the Louisiana Superdome, then-FEMA Director Mike Brown was bent on using his own buses to evacuate New Orleans, Blanco said.

..Blanco...realized she had made a critical error.

"I assumed that FEMA had staged their buses in near proximity," she said. "I expected them to be out of the storm's way but accessible in one day's time."

It was late Wednesday. The buses wouldn't get to New Orleans until Thursday. By then, many of the sickest and the weakest were dead or dying."

[IN-dem]

17. Self Deleted

[Coexist]

18. and this means....

that the families with two or three cars all left in one? That the used car lots are now ruined? That the repair shops are full of broken cars that are now flooded? That all of the abandoned cars are now flooded?

Please elaborate - because if you are saying that 200,000 people stayed to have a hurricane party - you lost me.

[cosmicdot]

20. kick

received same chain email myself today

checked DU specifically hoping to find a thread regarding it

thanks for posting