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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:33 PM
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A Caller On A NY Sports Talk Radio Station Just Said...
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 03:34 PM by Magic Rat
This caller is a NYPD communications person who was sent down to New Orleans after the hurricane. He just called up a sports talk radio station in NY (WFAN) and the hosts asked him about what he saw down there that most people aren't hearing about up here.

He just said, very cautiously, "I don't want to give out any information that I shouldn't, but there's a strain of bacteria down here that nobody's ever seen before....the army said they've never seen anything like it."

The hosts were just like, 'woah'.

I don't know if anyone's heard anything about this, I just thought it was eye-opening. I heard about the contaminated water and disease and stuff. But I hadn't heard anything about newly discovered strains of bacteria or viruses.

Maybe that's part of the reason why they're clearing out the entire city.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:37 PM
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1. Somebody here said she had a friend who was a nurse...
and that they had seen flesh-eating bacteria at one of the hospitals. Something about the oyster shells that had been washed into town during the flooding.

People would walk over them, and their shoes were all soggy, so they shells cut their feet through the shoes, and that's where it came from.

I'm not surprised.
FSC
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:37 PM
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2. must explain why Anderson Cooper has looked pretty sick lately
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:46 PM
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9. Are you being serious?
I haven't seen him in a week or so - but he did a wonderful job reporting.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:03 PM
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20. I saw him talking to a doctor talking about how water got in his mouth
and eyes.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:39 PM
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3. A DUer reported a friend with an infected elbow
Hope he's getting the best treatment
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:47 PM
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11. That was my first thought too
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:39 PM
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4. Yikes! Is this related to
the bioweapons labs that were inundated?

:wow:
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:41 PM
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6. don't know, but
it does probably explain why the active duty army was called out to go down there and not just the National Guard.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:47 PM
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12. Makes ya wonder. I was gonna reread "The Stand" but I think I better not
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:54 PM
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16. Might wanna avoid "Andromeda Strain" and "12 Monkeys" too...
:scared:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:41 PM
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5. The strain of bacteria is...
Barbara Bush.

I know, I know. It's an honest mistake. That big mass of powdery hair, deep wrinkles and flowery seersucker outfits--is easily mistaken for a deadly bacteria strain.

Rest assured, it's just Bar.

Tell those Army guys to yell, "Beluga and brie, anyone?" and they should see some movement from her.

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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:45 PM
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8. Calling Bill Maher, come to DU for the really good lines! LOL
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:45 PM
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7. Hmmm
Warm still water with high concentrations of many different chemicals, add in "normal" bacteria....presto, a new strain!

Nah, that would mean there is such a thing as evolution and we all know that's not true.
:eyes:
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:46 PM
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10. What a sad statement. You are right -- it evolves rapidly in labs. nt
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:57 PM
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17. Multi-species bacterial soups
are known to foster the exchange of genes between unrelated species. This has been observed in the lab with swaps of DNA rings called "plasmids." It is suspected that our ancestry is based on this phenomenon. Yeesh.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:50 PM
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13. Oh this is just the HEIGHT of rumor-mongering!!
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 04:08 PM by Brotherjohn
A CALLER?

To a SPORTS show?

In New York?

Come on. Exercise at least some sense of skepticism!!
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:00 PM
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19. One can't be a skeptic without being educated on the subject first
Just because our EMS and ER Dr.'s haven't "seen anything like this before" doesn't mean that somebody hasn't.

Most of our regular medical personnel in the states don't deal with tropical diseases, viruses and bacteria like the stuff that is going to be cropping up in New Orleans.

This isn't rumormongering, this is probably very real.

If you are going to bother to tell someone to excercise some sense, then you should try harder yourself first.

Stephanie
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:16 PM
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22. I repeat my first message... this was a caller to a sports show claiming..
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 04:29 PM by Brotherjohn
... to be someone who would be in a position to know something. For all we know it was some high kid goofing off.

This person has zero credibility. Zero.

I'm not trying to be nasty. I just think that getting information like this is about the LAST place from which information like this should be trusted. Anonymous callers to sports shows are not how I choose to "educate" myself on the subject of disease outbreaks in disaster zones.

I am from New Orleans. Most of my family has evacuated there and my brother lost everything. My mother is about to die away from her home, which she will never see again. I have been through Category 3 storms before, and seen much more believable rumors, from much more believable sources (government officials and local media) turn out to be completely untrue.

It does not help to have highly dubious rumors emanating from ridiculous sources.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:20 PM
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23. Nevertheless, standing water full of rotting material is bad stuff.
I'm not making any decisions based on a caller to a sports talk show, but I wish someone I trusted were down there investigating what the hell was in that water.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:27 PM
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24. Of course. There are all kinds of nasty things in that water.
Not the least of which is Vibrio vulnificus, as someone pointed out below.

It usually only kills the odd elderly person or immuno-compromised person who ate the wrong oyster.

But now, it has been getting inside countless people's bloodstreams directly through breaks in the skin.

But no "mysterious bacteria that no one's ever heard of before".

Maybe a lot of things unlike anything a lot of the doctors who've gone down to help have ever seen before. But they likely have limited experience with disasters, or with tropical and marine bacteria.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:51 PM
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14. People have nasty infections, skin conditions and boils.
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 03:55 PM by CottonBear
Evacuees are being treated for all sort of nasty infections. A Dr. from GA (Dr. Otter)who went down to NOLA to help found people with all sorts of awful boils and infections. Nasty. I'll bet that community based MRSA is rampant. I got it (no one knows how) last year and I was on the verge of being hospitalized for weeks. It can kill you if untreated.
:scared:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:53 PM
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15. Small scratch couses leg amputation.
This happened in Mobile Bay a few months ago, before any hurricanes roiling things up.

A guy was working on his dock, in waist deep water.
He scratched his leg, just below the knee, on an underwater protruding nail.
Finished what he was working on and went back to the house and cleaned the wound and put peroxide on it.
The next morning it was red and feverish and a bit swollen.
He dosed it with some more peroxide.
That night, he woke up in pain. The wound was oozing pus and was larger. He cleaned it and put on more peroxide and took a couple of Tylenol.

Next morning he went to the ER.
They hospitalized him and tried treating it with antibiotics and excising a lot of the flesh around the wound.
After a couple of days they wound up taking his leg off, just above the knee.

They's sum uggly buggs out there.

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:58 PM
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18. We were warned of this horror.
This is the result of all the crap in the water down there.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:05 PM
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21. Indicates a cholera-related infection: Vibrio vulnificus
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 04:10 PM by leveymg
Cholera-related bacteria kills 5
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/06/news.update/

9/7/05 ATLANTA (CNN) -- The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Tuesday that five people have died in the area hit by Hurricane Katrina after becoming infected with Vibrio vulnificus, typically a more benign relative of the bacteria that cause cholera.

One of the fatalities occurred in Texas; the other four were in Mississippi, said CDC spokesman Tom Skinner

*******

CDC Dispatch


September 14, 2005 / 54(Dispatch);1-4
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm54d914a1.htm




Vibrio Illnesses After Hurricane Katrina --- Multiple States, August--September 2005

Hurricane Katrina made landfall on August 29, 2005, with major impact on the U.S. Gulf Coast. During August 29–September 11, surveillance identified 22 new cases of Vibrio illness with five deaths in persons who had resided in two states (Figure 1). These illnesses were caused by V. vulnificus, V. parahaemolyticus, and nontoxigenic V. cholerae. These organisms are acquired from the environment and are unlikely to cause outbreaks from person-to-person transmission. No cases of toxigenic V. cholerae serogroups O1 or O139, the causative agents of cholera, were identified. This report summarizes the investigation by state and local health departments and CDC, describes three illustrative cases, and provides background information on Vibrio illnesses. Results of the investigation underscore the need for heightened clinical awareness, appropriate culturing of specimens from patients, and empiric treatment of illnesses (particularly those associated with wound infections) caused by Vibrio species. No confirmed cases of illness have been identified with onset after September 5; additional Vibrio cases are under investigation.

A case of post-hurricane Vibrio infection was defined as clinical illness in a person who had resided in a state struck by Hurricane Katrina (i.e., Alabama, Louisiana, or Mississippi) with illness onset and reporting during August 29–September 11, where Vibrio species was isolated from a wound, blood, or stool culture. Among cases, a wound-associated Vibrio case was defined as an illness that likely resulted from infection of a wound or abrasion acquired before or during immersion in floodwaters.

Wound-Associated Illnesses
Eighteen wound-associated Vibrio cases were reported, in residents of Mississippi (seven) and Louisiana (five); in persons displaced from Louisiana to Texas (two), Arkansas (two), and Arizona (one); and in a person displaced from Mississippi to Florida (one). Speciation was performed in clinical laboratories for 17 of the wound-associated cases; 14 (82%) were V. vulnificus, and three (18%) were V. parahaemolyticus. Five (28%) patients with wound-associated Vibrio infections died; three deaths were associated with V. vulnificus infection, and two were associated with V. parahaemolyticus infection.

Age of patients with wound-associated illnesses ranged from 31 to 89 years (median: 73 years). Fifteen (83%) were male. The majority of patients were hospitalized; admission dates ranged from August 29 to September 5. Not all patients were initially hospitalized because of their wounds. An underlying condition that might have increased risk for severe Vibrio illness was reported in 13 (72%) of the patients with wounds; these conditions included heart disease (seven patients), diabetes mellitus (four), renal disease (three), alcoholism (three), liver disease (two), peptic ulcer disease (one), immunodeficiency (one), and malignancy (one).

Non-Wound–Associated Illnesses
Four persons were reported with non-wound–associated Vibrio infections (two in Mississippi, one in Louisiana, and one displaced from Louisiana to Arizona). Information on the Vibrio species and clinical illness was available for two of these patients; the species were nontoxigenic V. cholerae isolated from patients with gastroenteritis. One of the infections occurred in a boy aged 2 months with diarrhea whose stool culture yielded both Salmonella group C2 and V. cholerae non- O1, non-O139. He was hospitalized for 2 days in Mississippi. The other V. cholerae non-O1, non-O139 isolate was from a stool specimen from an adult who was not hospitalized. No deaths were associated with the non-wound cases.

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