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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:28 PM
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Disaster Preparedness Is Not Enough. We Need Disaster PREVENTION --->>>
Democrats need to start talking about disaster prevention.

Refusing to face the challenge of global warming is cowardly.










And juvenile.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:35 PM
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1. True that.
Weather is a disaster only if there is no preparedness.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:11 AM
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2. What page were you at to get those photos? nt
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:14 AM
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3. they are wire service photos from Yahoo news
all from the last two weeks.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:56 AM
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4. I should have said "contextual link, please". nt
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 07:27 AM
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5. okay >

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# US President George W. Bush pauses while speaking at the Republican Jewish Coalition's Anniversary Luncheon at Andrew W. Mellon Auditorium in Washington, DC. The coalition was celebrating its 20th aniversary. Bush urged people in the path of powerful hurricane Rita to heed local authorities' evacuation orders.(AFP/Brendan Smialowski)
AFP - Sep 21 2:33 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050921/photos_pl_afp/050921182033_b43npp42_photo0
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President Bush (2nd R) ducks under an electrical wire while Vice Admiral of Coast Guard and official in charge of of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) Thad Allen (L), uses his hat to move the wire while touring in a military vehicle in the French Quarter in New Orleans September 12, 2005. Also touring with Bush are (L-R) Allen, a Secret Service Agent, Louisiana's Democratic Gov. Kathleen Blanco and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin. Bush is visiting the area for the third time since the hurricane slammed into Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. (Larry Downing/Reuters)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050912/photos_ts/2005_09_12t120744_450x336_us_bush
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US President George W. Bush (L) raises his hand to vote as US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (R) and US Ambassador to the UN John Bolton (L) look on during the 2005 World Summit, at the 60th session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York. Bush said that more needed to be done to make the United Nations 'free of corruption' and appealed for stronger global cooperation to fight terrorism and disease.(AFP/Jim Watson)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050915/photos_wl_afp/0509150820035ukqdkqt_photo2
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true_con Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 07:34 AM
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6. help me out
I'm new to finally understanding that global warming is true (I have been asleep for years due to repuke raising). I can understand that global warming would have something to do with the strength of the storm, but what does it have to do with the path of the storm? Not trying to be confrontational, I am just trying to soak up the knowledge that I have been craving and did not know existed until I found the DU.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 07:55 AM
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7. we'll need a scientist to explain that to us both
I found these articles on DU:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/15/AR2005091502234.html

Hurricane Severity Increasing Thanks To Water Temps - Science

A new study concludes that rising sea temperatures have been accompanied by a significant global increase in the most destructive hurricanes, adding fuel to an international debate over whether global warming contributed to the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina. The study, published today in the journal Science, is the second in six weeks to draw this conclusion, but other climatologists dispute the findings and argue that a recent spate of severe storms reflects nothing more than normal weather variability.

Katrina's destructiveness has given a sharp new edge to the ongoing debate over whether the United States should do more to curb greenhouse gas emissions linked to global warming. Domestic and European critics have pointed to Katrina as a reason to take action, while skeptics say climate activists are capitalizing on a national disaster to further their own agenda. According to data gathered by researchers at the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at Georgia Tech and the National Center for Atmospheric Research, the number of major Category 4 and 5 hurricanes worldwide has nearly doubled over the past 35 years, even though the total number of hurricanes, including weaker ones, has dropped since the 1990s. Katrina was a Category 4 storm when it made landfall.

Using satellite data, the four researchers found that the average number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes -- those with winds of 131 mph or higher -- rose from 10 a year in the 1970s to 18 a year since 1990. Average tropical sea surface temperatures have increased as much as 1 degree Fahrenheit during the same period, after remaining stable between 1900 and the mid-1960s.

Georgia Tech atmospheric scientist Judith A. Curry -- co-author of the study with colleagues Peter J. Webster and Hai-Ru Chang, and NCAR's Greg J. Holland -- said in an interview that their survey, coupled with computer models and scientists' understanding of how hurricanes work, has given the researchers a better sense of how rising sea temperatures are linked to more-intense storms. "There is increasing confidence, as the result of our study, that there's some level of greenhouse warming in what we're seeing," Curry said. "Is it the whole story? We don't know."


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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article312997.ece


Global warming 'past the point of no return'
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Published: 16 September 2005

A record loss of sea ice in the Arctic this summer has convinced scientists that the northern hemisphere may have crossed a critical threshold beyond which the climate may never recover. Scientists fear that the Arctic has now entered an irreversible phase of warming which will accelerate the loss of the polar sea ice that has helped to keep the climate stable for thousands of years.

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Experts believe that such a loss of Arctic sea ice in summer has not occurred in hundreds and possibly thousands of years. It is the fourth year in a row that the sea ice in August has fallen below the monthly downward trend - a clear sign that melting has accelerated.

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Such lows have normally been followed the next year by a rebound to more normal levels, but this did not occur in the summers of either 2003 or 2004. This summer has been even worse. The surface area covered by sea ice was at a record monthly minimum for each of the summer months - June, July and now August.

Scientists analysing the latest satellite data for September - the traditional minimum extent for each summer - are preparing to announce a significant shift in the stability of the Arctic sea ice, the northern hemisphere's major "heat sink" that moderates climatic extremes.

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Sea ice reflects up to 80 per cent of sunlight hitting it but this "albedo effect" is mostly lost when the sea is uncovered. "We've exposed all this dark ocean to the sun's heat so that the overall heat content increases," he explained.

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Sea ice keeps a cap on frigid water, keeping it cold and protecting it from heating up. Losing the sea ice of the Arctic is likely to have major repercussions for the climate, he said. "There could be dramatic changes to the climate of the northern region due to the creation of a vast expanse of open water where there was once effectively land,"

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true_con Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:02 AM
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8. Interesting
but that just means that if we could eliminate global warming then the storms would still be there, they just wouldn't be so intense so often, right? After all, hurricanes have been around longer than the car.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:09 AM
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9. sure, global warming isn't so bad
not to worry
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true_con Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:13 AM
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10. Sorry
that's not what I was saying. I think I will quit while I am ahead (but starting to fall behind).
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:20 AM
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11. Not necessarily
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 08:23 AM by kcwayne
The current "rash" of hurricanes was predicted widely in the press about 5 years ago. The prediction was based on historically observed patterns of hurricane activity. The frequency of hurricanes on US coastal areas declined in a 50-70 year cycle that started in the 1930s. The average number of hurricanes per season in this period was in the 5-10 range if memory serves me correctly.

The current activity cycle is similar to what was observed in periods in the 1600's, 1700's and 1800's, based on ships captains logs and other historical documents. We can expect to see 40-60 hurricanes per season according to this study.

The reason for these cycles was given as a large high pressure system over Africa that comes and goes. It has dissipated in the last 10 years.

This study came out after hurricane Andrew, and was used in the framing of arguments that promoted better building codes in hurricane zones. The point being made was that buildings that were built prior to 1940 withstood the hurricane disproportionately better than modern buildings, because builders in that era had recent memory of violent storms, and engineered and constructed accordingly. When the frequency of storms declined for a generation, people got lax, and cut corners to save money.

Global warming may have an impact on the frequency and strength of these storms, I have not read the scientific literature on this. But it is not the only reason for them. The only way we could prevent these storms would be to dramatically lower the temperature of the water in the gulf starting in July/August. And who knows what that would do to the earth's ecosystem even if it were feasible ?

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